IgotBILLStopay Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 https://www.forbes.com/sites/billwilliamson/2019/05/20/teams-that-make-sense-for-leveon-bell-if-jets-trade-him/#3c56a519d1e1 Quote Buffalo: The Bills were connected to Bell in free agency and they could use a lead back. They have $27 million in salary-cap room and could easily afford Bell. The Bills are one of the most improved teams in the NFL this offseason. They could put pressure on New England in the AFC East with a move like this. But would the Jets deal Bell within their own division? That might be the sticking point. I wouldnt give up a first rounder - but a second? Maybe. But only if in the OTAs the Bills feel Shady has lost a step. Five year 40 mill is a steal for Bell. Jets would be foolish to trade him to us - but who else needs him AND has cap space AND draft capital? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FluffHead Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 He seems like the type to fall off once he gets paid. Pass. I like what we’re building without him. 25 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 10 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said: https://www.forbes.com/sites/billwilliamson/2019/05/20/teams-that-make-sense-for-leveon-bell-if-jets-trade-him/#3c56a519d1e1 I wouldnt give up a first rounder - but a second? Maybe. But only if in the OTAs the Bills feel Shady has lost a step. Five year 40 mill is a steal for Bell. Jets would be foolish to trade him to us - but who else needs him AND has cap space AND draft capital? This is speculation of the most speculative, based on rumors Gase wasn't "all in" on the big contract Bell was given. IF the NYJ were to throw $12M down the crapper by trading him before he plays a down, who MIGHT they trade him to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 Absolutely none of this makes sense. Why would the Jets trade him without playing a down for them and why would they trade to Buffalo? Even the Jets are not that stupid... Are they? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted May 21, 2019 Author Share Posted May 21, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: This is speculation of the most speculative, based on Gase's comments. IF the NYJ were to throw $12M down the crapper by trading him before he plays a down. Of course it is speculation. Most of what we read in the media is speculation. The facts appear to be these: Gase did have a difference of opinion with Maccagnan over Bell's compensation. Given that Bell is unlikely to be Gase's ally. Gase has incentives to make at least some changes to the roster - so if Jets do well - he doesnt have to give Mike Mac the credit. The coaching staff also appears pissed that Bell has been a no-show so far. SO the New York Media puts all that together and says hey! if we are to trade Bell, who do we trade him to and what do we get. I dont see anything wrong with that. That said - the writer is not suggesting giving up Bell for nothing within months of signing. He is expecting that the Jets receive some draft compensation for the signing bonus, no? Maybe you missed that. Edited May 21, 2019 by IgotBILLStopay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins101 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 No team would trade for him. If they didn't think he was worth the money then, why would they want him for the same money plus draft capital? 5 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 There’s absolutely nothing to see here. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, ALLEN1QB said: Absolutely none of this makes sense. Why would the Jets trade him without playing a down for them and why would they trade to Buffalo? Even the Jets are not that stupid... Are they? While I agree with you, Gase is terrible and might just be that stupid. Edited May 21, 2019 by Alphadawg7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 Wow, how idiotic would the Jets have to be to trade a guy they just signed (and paid a huge signing bonus) to a division rival? Nobody could be that dumb, right? Right!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkollidas Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 I think this is mainly click-bait. If they do deal him it’ll at least be after this season. Honestly if they move him after one year, it’ll be more likely he’s cut than traded. I think hell struggle having a year off, supposedly being out of shape, and playing a patient running style behind a bad offensive line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Watkins101 said: No team would trade for him. If they didn't think he was worth the money then, why would they want him for the same money plus draft capital? Exactly. If the Bills or any other team were interested, they should have signed him. Maybe acquiring him via trade would leave the Jets on the hook for some of the $? Have no idea on that. The TRADE market would be extremely slim. Maybe a 6th or a 7th. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted May 21, 2019 Author Share Posted May 21, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Watkins101 said: No team would trade for him. If they didn't think he was worth the money then, why would they want him for the same money plus draft capital? Because they pay 12 million guaranteed less. You get him for just 13 million guaranteed! you are not on the hook for the signing bonus. Edited May 21, 2019 by IgotBILLStopay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, Watkins101 said: No team would trade for him. If they didn't think he was worth the money then, why would they want him for the same money plus draft capital? Sure they would. The Jets already paid a big portion of his salary, so they'd be getting him for a lot less. 1 minute ago, LSHMEAB said: Exactly. If the Bills or any other team were interested, they should have signed him. Maybe acquiring him via trade would leave the Jets on the hook for some of the $? Have no idea on that. The TRADE market would be extremely slim. Maybe a 6th or a 7th. I believe he'd be in McCoy's range for annual salary after the Jets already paid a big portion of the guarenteed money. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 Sounds a little half baked to me. Why would we want him? He certainly doesn't seem to be a team or McDermott type player. Besides, I feel the Bills did quite well with Singletary...give this kid a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 10 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said: Of course it is speculation. Most of what we read in the media is speculation. The facts appear to be these: Gase did have a difference of opinion with Maccagnan over Bell's compensation. Given that Bell is unlikely to be Gase's ally. Gase has incentives to make at least some changes to the roster - so if Jets do well - he doesnt have to give Mike Mac the credit. The coaching staff also appears pissed that Bell has been a no-show so far. SO the New York Media puts all that together and says hey! if we are to trade Bell, who do we trade him to and what do we get. I dont see anything wrong with that. That said - the writer is not suggesting giving up Bell for nothing within months of signing. He is expecting that the Jets receive some draft compensation for the signing bonus, no? Maybe you missed that. The point is, there is speculation that has some basis in fact. The idea that the Vikes might try to trade Rudolph, for example - Vikes need cap space, they've been talking with Rudolph's agent about re-negotiating his contract, and those talks have reportedly stalled. Yes, it's speculation. Then there is this. I think the first sentence you list under "facts" is felt to be a fact (I don't know - haven't heard a quote from Gase, just reports from various NY media pundits). It's also a fact that Bell has been in Florida training during voluntary OTAs. Everything else in there, I don't think meets the general criteria of fact. It's speculation that Bell won't be Gase's ally or that Gase is incentivised to change the roster by throwing $12M spent on a potential difference-maker on offense away. Sure, the NY media can read between the lines all they like, but that doesn't make it a fact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 Bell will not look like Bell playing behind the Jets OLine vs the Steelers. He used to just wait for things to clear out, then go. He’ll be dead meat more often than not I suspect with that approach in NJ. Patience is a virtue, except in the NFL for a RB with no blocking. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Augie said: Bell will not look like Bell playing behind the Jets OLine vs the Steelers. He used to just wait for things to clear out, then go. He’ll be dead meat more often than not I suspect with that approach in NJ. Patience is a virtue, except in the NFL for a RB with no blocking. That's the theory. Or he'll be really good. I guess we'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 Just now, MJS said: That's the theory. Or he'll be really good. I guess we'll see. I’m hoping my theory is correct!!! ? But time will tell, indeed! In the meantime, I’m hoping he looks like Shady from last year. “What do you expect???” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 14 minutes ago, MJS said: Sure they would. The Jets already paid a big portion of his salary, so they'd be getting him for a lot less. I believe he'd be in McCoy's range for annual salary after the Jets already paid a big portion of the guarenteed money. Close. I looked it up on Spotrac. $6.9M. But the Jets have $12.4M in already-paid signing bonus and roster bonus for this year they would not recoup. That's a big chunk of change for a draft pick. And his salary/cap hit would go up quickly...$13.5M next year without the signing bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 Just now, Augie said: I’m hoping my theory is correct!!! But time will tell, indeed! I still think he'd be an asset for any team. He doesn't always wait. He hits the hole hard often too. Just when he doesn't see anything he is more patient than most backs. It's like another tool in the belt. He's just nowhere near worth the money he got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 16 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: While I agree with you, Gase is terrible and might just be that stupid. You know, since he's still coaching in our division....Hope he is! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 33 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said: https://www.forbes.com/sites/billwilliamson/2019/05/20/teams-that-make-sense-for-leveon-bell-if-jets-trade-him/#3c56a519d1e1 I wouldnt give up a first rounder - but a second? Maybe. But only if in the OTAs the Bills feel Shady has lost a step. Five year 40 mill is a steal for Bell. Jets would be foolish to trade him to us - but who else needs him AND has cap space AND draft capital? If the Bills were going to give up any draft compensation, wouldn’t they have just outbid the Jets in the first place ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LikeIGiveADarn Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Bills2ref said: If the Bills were going to give up any draft compensation, wouldn’t they have just outbid the Jets in the first place ? Is the money the Jets are going to bw on the hook for worth a draft pick or two though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 18 minutes ago, MJS said: Wow, how idiotic would the Jets have to be to trade a guy they just signed (and paid a huge signing bonus) to a division rival? Nobody could be that dumb, right? Right!? I’d assume that it’ll be next year that they try to move him. You just can’t justify it this fast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComradeKayAdams Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 Are the Jets now trying to out-tank the Dolphins or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 1 minute ago, LikeIGiveADarn said: Is the money the Jets are going to bw on the hook for worth a draft pick or two though? I didn’t think of this and I am ashamed for it ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 Let's hope it happens. I want to see if Gase could possibly get fired before ever coaching a game. Next step, trade Darnold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 This is almost definitely not going to happen, but I hope it does. I hope they trade him for a third round pick and he runs for 2,000 yards. I then hope they use the third round pick to take a kicker who has gout. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 38 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: This is speculation of the most speculative, based on rumors Gase wasn't "all in" on the big contract Bell was given. IF the NYJ were to throw $12M down the crapper by trading him before he plays a down, who MIGHT they trade him to. They won’t trade Bell. It makes little sense, plus as you said, they’ve already paid him a ton of guaranteed money. There’s really not a ton of cost savings. Plus, Bell is kind of good, you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Protocal69 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 47 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said: https://www.forbes.com/sites/billwilliamson/2019/05/20/teams-that-make-sense-for-leveon-bell-if-jets-trade-him/#3c56a519d1e1 I wouldnt give up a first rounder - but a second? Maybe. But only if in the OTAs the Bills feel Shady has lost a step. Five year 40 mill is a steal for Bell. Jets would be foolish to trade him to us - but who else needs him AND has cap space AND draft capital? COLTS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykidsdad Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 Rediculouos pandering by media trying to get cheap clicks. 34 minutes ago, Bangarang said: There’s absolutely nothing to see here. This! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 Gase is going to destroy that franchise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykidsdad Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 1 minute ago, oldmanfan said: Gase is going to destroy that franchise Here's hoping... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 56 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said: https://www.forbes.com/sites/billwilliamson/2019/05/20/teams-that-make-sense-for-leveon-bell-if-jets-trade-him/#3c56a519d1e1 I wouldnt give up a first rounder - but a second? Maybe. But only if in the OTAs the Bills feel Shady has lost a step. Five year 40 mill is a steal for Bell. Jets would be foolish to trade him to us - but who else needs him AND has cap space AND draft capital? While we are still in the realm of speculation, the Bills should offer McCoy and a draft pick in exchange for Bell. While he does sound like somewhat of a drama queen (ahem... king), he is a game breaker and just the sort of dual threat weapon the Bills need to round out their offense. Bell and Singletary can be a deadly combination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills fan in 561 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 Unpopular opinion but I dont think Gase is that bad and hes right about not wanting to pay a running back that much money.The Jets were basically building the team like the Bills had been during the drought.To be successful you need to get out of cap jail and spend money on positions that are coveted in said scheme.GM and coach need to be on the same page.We(Bills) are finally building the team the right way but people thought Mcbean went nuts trading Watkins and Darby remember.Those moves where chess moves not checkers moves. I love to jump on the bandwagon and laugh at the tire fire that is the Jets but...ah never mind Gase is ghost face yacked and their doomed lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 While the Jets being laughably dysfunctional is usually a pretty safe bet, even they are not this crazy. But it will be fun to watch when Bell starts crying in a year or two. And no, I wouldn't dream of trading a high pick for Bell and his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 Trade for him after he was free game? Stupidity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 This makes zero sense for the Bills. Why give up a draft pick and take on a contract you didn't write? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 8 minutes ago, Fixxxer said: This makes zero sense for the Bills. Why give up a draft pick and take on a contract you didn't write? In this absurd hypothetical world, you'd be paying him 12 mil less than the contract he signed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 9 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: In this absurd hypothetical world, you'd be paying him 12 mil less than the contract he signed. If true, the Jets would reach a level of stupidity of epic proportions. They can't be that stupid... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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