Mikie2times Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 (edited) I will spare a long list of reasons. Just using what I feel the pace is set at. It’s almost impossible to see any leadership changes happen after 2019. That said, if we meddle for two years I see the fans out for blood and the leadership doesn’t survive after 2020. Curious if people think they get more time? Edited April 29, 2019 by KzooMike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, KzooMike said: I will spare a long list of reasons. Just using what I feel the pace is set at. It’s almost impossible to see any leadership changes happen after 2019. That said, if we meddle for two years I see the fans out for blood and the leadership doesn’t survive after 2020. Curious if people think they get more time? What? 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 Just now, TH3 said: What? I think he's referring to the coaching staff? In which case I agree, if you don't see a big jump in year three you need to begin evaluating what's going wrong. Is it personnel or coaching? If we have a similar record this year it's because Josh Allen isn't becoming what we think he's going to be, and then you start looking at the coaching first and foremost. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayboy54 Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 (edited) On a weekend bender? this is the best trajectory the Bills have been on in years and years. Who cares if the fans like blood. Edited April 29, 2019 by clayboy54 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted April 29, 2019 Author Share Posted April 29, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, TH3 said: What? Question is how long does our leadership team get to prove itself? I have no agenda, if you don’t like the timing of the subject move on. Edited April 29, 2019 by KzooMike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickrage Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 At this point neither coach nor gym need worry about their jobs. Both came in and said it’d be 2 years before they’re able to start building “their roster” Beane has gotten the cap and bad contracts under control. 2019 & 2020 are both ready to compete years 2021 and beyond are ready to contend for championship years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted April 29, 2019 Author Share Posted April 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, nickrage said: At this point neither coach nor gym need worry about their jobs. Both came in and said it’d be 2 years before they’re able to start building “their roster” Beane has gotten the cap and bad contracts under control. 2019 & 2020 are both ready to compete years 2021 and beyond are ready to contend for championship years. So you would say they survive 2020 (two more seasons) if the Bills miss the playoffs both years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Byrd Man Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 7 minutes ago, KzooMike said: I will spare a long list of reasons. Just using what I feel the pace is set at. It’s almost impossible to see any leadership changes happen after 2019. That said, if we meddle for two years I see the fans out for blood and the leadership doesn’t survive after 2020. Curious if people think they get more time? I'm so sick of this BS. Go post somewhere else. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stallions Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 Two years of gentle progress in the win column seems fine 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted April 29, 2019 Author Share Posted April 29, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, clayboy54 said: On a weekend bender? this is the best trajectory the Bills have been on in years and years. Who cares if the fans like blood. What has the fans feelings of trajectory done in the past? Hence why I was intrigued by the subject. 2 minutes ago, Original Byrd Man said: I'm so sick of this BS. Go post somewhere else. I have posted once in 5 months. Sorry to water it down. Edited April 29, 2019 by KzooMike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayboy54 Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 (edited) Truthfully, honest evaluations of past years doesn’t show much except for the Super Bowl years. As a fan since 1963, we really never had a front office give us much of anything to look forward to. It can be argued that was the way it was designed by Ralph. Either way, the Super Bowl teams were the exception to the rule until Beane. Time will tell, but the correct steps are clearly being taken. I fully expect it to show on-field. Edited April 29, 2019 by clayboy54 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted April 29, 2019 Author Share Posted April 29, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, clayboy54 said: Truthfully, honest evaluations of past years doesn’t show much except for the Super Bowl years. As a fan since 1963, we really never has a front office give us much of anything to look forward to. It can be argued that was the way it was designed by Ralph. Either way, the Super Bowl teams were the exception to the rule until Beane. Time will tell, but the correct steps are clearly being taken. I fully expect it to show on-field. Don’t confuse my post for a lack of faith in the front office and coaching staff. My subject was actually derived from the exact opposite. The opposite view tends to intrigue me especially if the topic has validity. We have murdered coaches and GM’s for 20 years after the appearance of things moving in the right direction. Clearly if we have success as many anticipate the subject is not relevant. That said what if we don’t? Our recent, two decade history shows a pretty consistent pattern of high expectations being met with compete overhauls in short order. These guys seem to be the best so far, so does that buy them past 2020 with no playoffs? The answer would be no if recent history is any indicator. Edited April 29, 2019 by KzooMike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 Winter is coming 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, /dev/null said: Winter is coming Considering the snow we had yesterday I don't think it's even left yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 (edited) 54 minutes ago, KzooMike said: I will spare a long list of reasons. Just using what I feel the pace is set at. It’s almost impossible to see any leadership changes happen after 2019. That said, if we meddle for two years I see the fans out for blood and the leadership doesn’t survive after 2020. Curious if people think they get more time? Year 1 one was playoffs, even when they started to clean house and stock pile picks. Year 2 was all about drafting Allen and Edmunds. They gutted the team to clear salary and restart. Thankfully, and despite fielding a very low talent and very young team, Coach McD pulled a decent season out of the second half. Year 3 Buffalo is making moves in free agency and the draft and they still will have plenty of cap space to work with. I see the fans 100% behind Beane and McDermott. I see us winning 8 min, and more likely 10 games which includes playoffs. The fans willl be happy with this progression from last year. Year 4 we go to solid playoff team status. Beane and McD are on solid ground. The Bills are on an upswing. No one Is talking about any leadership changes. That would be bad. Edited April 29, 2019 by Bob in STL 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 We have't had a strategic approach like this since Polian was building the Super Bowl teams. Everything since then has been a reaction/gut feeling and over meddling owner. Every move here is calculated. Your question about what if and firing if we don't do x is exactly the mindset that led us to the playoff drought. Sit back and relax and watch this team form into a legitimate contender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurst44 Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 (edited) 34 minutes ago, KzooMike said: I will spare a long list of reasons. Just using what I feel the pace is set at. It’s almost impossible to see any leadership changes happen after 2019. That said, if we meddle for two years I see the fans out for blood and the leadership doesn’t survive after 2020. Curious if people think they get more time? I'll bite (although the timing of this feels a bit wonky -- and just after posting this read your later post and believe you meant it in a positive way and it's an interesting mind experiment, but still you zigged a bit from where i would expect posts to be ). I agree that they've probably already bought themselves a fourth year as GM/coach just due to the fact that they have laid out a distinct plan, and a noticeable culture change. If they have a losing record in 2019 & 2020 and it's not due to everything going wrong in ways no one could predict, then, yes, that's probably it for at least one of them. However, while I tend to be overly optimistic, this may be the most confident yet that I've felt about this team. It truly feels like there is a unique plan in effect and it has led to a pre-season where instead of trying to find 53 players to cobble together a roster, they are going to have to spend a lot of time whittling down and making painful cuts to get down to 53. They also seem to have made it a destination -- both Oliver and Ford seemed delighted to be coming here and it's telling that we drew some of the top names in UDFA (but also signed fewer than usual b/c there just wasn't room -- and we still have tons of cap space). So, hopefully, the arrow is indeed up, and we will see a coach and GM make it into (and through) that fifth year for the first time since the (Coach) Levy days. Edited April 29, 2019 by thurst44 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 (edited) It’s a reasonable assumption. Not sure who is going to “ meddle” on the Bills, but if the on field performance is middling, I’d imagine changes would be considered. If they go 9-7 consecutive years or say 8-8 then 10-6 but miss the playoffs , ownership may still feel the team is on the right path. Thus far, we have one playoff berth with an average QB, then a rookie QB and a predictable step back. A bad cap situation led to a weak roster , especially on offense. I’d expect some improvement this year, but the team is taking shape in the vision of Beane and McD. I think they will definitely get through the 2020 season before the possibility of major change would arise. Edited April 29, 2019 by Boatdrinks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtlBillsFan Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 The supreme leaders are the Pegulas. This won't change for quite a while. And the Pegulas probably see the huge difference between the Rex years and the current staff. They also hear the great things being said around the league about Beane and McD. These guys will be in Buffalo for a while too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 I want a Superbowl appearance this year. If not, they should be not only fired but blacklisted from the NFL. Unless there's an injury to Dimarco. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 38 minutes ago, KzooMike said: So you would say they survive 2020 (two more seasons) if the Bills miss the playoffs both years? oh sweet Jesus no. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 42 minutes ago, KzooMike said: So you would say they survive 2020 (two more seasons) if the Bills miss the playoffs both years? I would say possibly. Depends on the circumstance . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 (edited) 54 minutes ago, KzooMike said: I will spare a long list of reasons. Just using what I feel the pace is set at. It’s almost impossible to see any leadership changes happen after 2019. That said, if we meddle for two years I see the fans out for blood and the leadership doesn’t survive after 2020. Curious if people think they get more time? What in the holy hell? Edited April 29, 2019 by dubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 (edited) I think (speculation only) the Pegulas see Brandon Beane and Sean McDermott as our answer to Mickey Loomis (18th year) and Sean Payton (14th year). The next two years would have to be less than 6 wins each or some major scandal would have to unfold for anything to change. Even Payton and Loomis survived Bounty Gate. On the other side of this discussion, I strongly suspect that both GM and Coach are looking at long extensions if this is a playoff year. Edited April 29, 2019 by JoeF 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 31 minutes ago, Bob in STL said: Year 1 one was playoffs, even when they started to clean house and stock pile picks. Year 2 was all about drafting Allen and Edmunds. They gutted the team to clear salary and restart. Thankfully, and despite fielding a very low talent and very young team, Coach McD pulled a decent season out of the second half. Year 3 Buffalo is making moves in free agency and the draft and they still will have plenty of cap space to work with. I see the fans 100% behind Beane and McDermott. I see us winning 8 min, and more likely 10 games which includes playoffs. The fans willl be happy with this progression from last year. Year 4 we go to solid playoff team status. Beane and McD are on solid ground. The Bills are on an upswing. No one Is talking about any leadership changes. That would be bad. They need to be playoff status this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 Pretty meaningless to speculate, in my opinion. If things go epically terrible this year I could see them getting fired. If things go decently well I could see then here for another 5 years. Just no way to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, KzooMike said: Question is how long does our leadership team get to prove itself? I have no agenda, if you don’t like the timing of the subject move on. At the end of the day they’re faith will rest on DID they picked the right QB = franchise ? I think they did , Edited April 29, 2019 by Putin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 1 hour ago, KzooMike said: Question is how long does our leadership team get to prove itself? I have no agenda, if you don’t like the timing of the subject move on. Two questions for you: 1) Besides the evil Patriot empire, what other leadership groups in the NFL have more than two years (from the OP) left to prove themselves? 2) Do you believe the Bills leadership are on the one year prove-it plan? If so, why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 1 hour ago, /dev/null said: Winter is coming There will be growth in the Spring. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 1 hour ago, /dev/null said: Winter is coming Nuclear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 2 hours ago, KzooMike said: I will spare a long list of reasons. Just using what I feel the pace is set at. It’s almost impossible to see any leadership changes happen after 2019. That said, if we meddle for two years I see the fans out for blood and the leadership doesn’t survive after 2020. Curious if people think they get more time? You know they can give you pills that will help with your depression. 1 hour ago, /dev/null said: Winter is coming The Night King is dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 2 hours ago, /dev/null said: Winter is coming Only 240 days till Christmas! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 So by the end of our lease we will be competing for a championship? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 For me we're at a point where I'd give this regime a shot with another QB if Allen busts in the next 2-3 years, provided that's the only major problem with everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 4 hours ago, /dev/null said: Winter is coming Bean and McDermott go to the wall! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfanAZ Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 They will get 2-3 more yrs to take their plan to reality. The difference between todays Bills and the Bills of the past is night and day. It is refreshing to see a plan and leadership. I dont think anyone can disagree with the moves Beane made in free agency. Just about every contract was team friendly. Every position cannot be fixed correctly in one offseason but the Bills are more talented this season than they were last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Crickets Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 10 hours ago, KzooMike said: I will spare a long list of reasons. Just using what I feel the pace is set at. It’s almost impossible to see any leadership changes happen after 2019. That said, if we meddle for two years I see the fans out for blood and the leadership doesn’t survive after 2020. Curious if people think they get more time? Trump 2020! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 (edited) So, if they go 9-7 in back to back years, a winning record in 3 of 4 years, and an overall winning record over 4 years (33-31) as a staff in Bills history for the first time in 20 years they should get the boot? Sounds old time Billy’s to do. Edited April 29, 2019 by dollars 2 donuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fr. Jerk Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 McDermott's clock is Flavor Flav fresh forever, ya dig? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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