#34fan Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 30 minutes ago, MakeBuffaloGreatAgain said: If you would just go away until November, that would be best for everyone... Thanks You'd miss me too much, twinkletoes. 2 hours ago, GimmeSomeProcess said: Why? Do you really give rookies a half season before declaring them bust? If so, wow! After the first 2 rounds (more likely round one) the draft is about development There were better picks where they took Knox, and that should be obvious...This kid is a project, at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakeBuffaloGreatAgain Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 33 minutes ago, #34fan said: You'd miss me too much, twinkletoes. There were better picks where they took Knox, and that should be obvious...This kid is a project, at best. Yes, I would definitely miss you... Without terrible people, one's appreciation for great people diminishes. At least you serve a purpose, bringing appreciation for quality posters on this board. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 38 minutes ago, #34fan said: You'd miss me too much, twinkletoes. There were better picks where they took Knox, and that should be obvious...This kid is a project, at best. Why do you think NE traded out immediately after we jumped them and took Knox? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 5 hours ago, HappyDays said: This is not scouting. This is looking at a stat sheet. That is the last thing the NFL cares about. Someone pin this to home page forever. Great comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterStrategist Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 Admittedly, I get really excited and think all of these draftees will turn out great for the Bills. Reality is, usually there's a reason a player doesn't get drafted immediately. BUT, those reasons are not all the same. As many have said, this kid is a real unknown to many scouts/fans, since Ole Miss didn't need/want to focus him in their offense. Can't blame Ole Miss, when you have that type of WR talent that they had. However, I know the former o-coordinator at Ole Miss (now NC) from a past experience, and he had some great things to say about Dawson. And I also know first hand that this offense (air raid) deployed a relatively simplistic route tree... not only for Dawson, but for DK too. Sounds like Dawson has a lot of untapped potential and could be a hidden gem. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 2 hours ago, #34fan said: You'd miss me too much, twinkletoes. There were better picks where they took Knox, and that should be obvious...This kid is a project, at best. There were better picks according to you.....but your sitting in the stands with us so................ 9 hours ago, HappyDays said: Every GM says this, and then every GM picks for need. They weren't coming out of this draft without a TE. Then they doubled down and took 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 5 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: Not sure if posted, but Dawson is endearing himself to the mafia. https://www.12up.com/posts/6355264-video-new-bills-te-dawson-knox-joins-bills-mafia-and-destroys-table-on-draft-night/partners/44511 Both awesome and terrifying.....PLEASE dont do that again until after we win the Super Bowl!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 (edited) When it comes to investing, I’m not opposed to index funds. When it comes to drafting, I’m not a fan of “mock draft averaging”. I want guys who can pick the better players. Scouts who can discern the physical abilities, the scheme limitations, surrounding talent implications, etc. I hope they saw what he CAN be, and acted on that. . Edited April 28, 2019 by Augie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 (edited) 14 hours ago, #34fan said: You'd miss me too much, twinkletoes. There were better picks where they took Knox, and that should be obvious...This kid is a project, at best. Obvious to who? The internet scouts that make up big boards for fans? Or the people actually getting paid by NFL teams to do so? everyone loved DK Metcalf so much they passed on him multiple times. My guy, Kelvin Harmon, everyone passed on him 5-6-7-8 times. I was banging the table for Harmon rd 3. Could’ve had him rd 4-5-6. They know. I don’t. You don’t. Come gloat when a team hires you Edited April 28, 2019 by NewEra 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxbomber21 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 The next Greg Olson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 (edited) On 4/26/2019 at 11:21 PM, napmaster said: This kid may end up being really good, but did the Bills really need to trade up to get him? What was the trade compensation? I hate when people says "Did they need to trade up" They know more then you so obviously something made them trade up so the answer is always YES. 11 hours ago, #34fan said: You'd miss me too much, twinkletoes. There were better picks where they took Knox, and that should be obvious...This kid is a project, at best. Obviously there wasn't. Your draft board might say something else but who gives a ***** who you think is better. I didn't hear you talking about scouting players all year. Edited April 28, 2019 by Boca BIlls 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 Watching Knox he catches everything with his HANDS OUT... That is all I need to see till TC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 6 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said: Watching Knox he catches everything with his HANDS OUT... That is all I need to see till TC. Yep. I for one have completely given up on the Boroquez and other Bills WR's method of trying to catch with the back of your hands like a sea lion. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Yep. I for one have completely given up on the Boroquez and other Bills WR's method of trying to catch with the back of your hands like a sea lion. I am talking about Chest Catchers, guys that wait for the ball to come to them are always garbage. Guys that instinctively put there hands out are already better b.c you cannot really teach that, either the player will do it or they never learn. Edited April 28, 2019 by Boca BIlls 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said: I am talking about Chest Catchers, guys that wait for the ball to come to them are always garbage. Guys that instinctively put there hands out are already better b.c you cannot really teach that, either the player will do it or they never learn. T.J. Graham was a terrible chest catcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 7 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said: I am talking about Chest Catchers, guys that wait for the ball to come to them are always garbage. Guys that instinctively put there hands out are already better b.c you cannot really teach that, either the player will do it or they never learn. Oh I know, and I was just joking that some Bills don't even catch with their hands. Agree on Knox and that he catches with his hands out, maybe he can teach Zay a few things. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c-troop Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 [Moderator Deleted] Way to impress, noob.. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 9 hours ago, NewEra said: Obvious to who? The internet scouts that make up big boards for fans? Or the people actually getting laid by NFL teams to do so? everyone loved DK Metcalf so much they passed on him multiple times. My guy, Kelvin Harmon, everyone passed on him 5-6-7-8 times. I was banging the table for Harmon rd 3. Could’ve had him rd 4-5-6. They know. I don’t. You don’t. Come gloat when a team hires you What now? 2 hours ago, Bronxbomber21 said: The next Greg Olson Olson couldn't block to save his life. Knox can. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 On 4/27/2019 at 3:35 AM, Warcodered said: A tackle got taken two picks later by the Broncos who could of easily jumped us if we didn't move up. The problem is, there will inevitably be a better tackle taken later. You should never trade up for a non-QB. Better LB went after Edmunds, better lineman went after Dawkins, and better WR after Zay. Would Cody have fallen? Who knows. We lost a pick, again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnum Force Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 Dawson Knox looks like Neil Schon of Journey. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 13 minutes ago, Elite Poster said: The problem is, there will inevitably be a better tackle taken later. You should never trade up for a non-QB. Better LB went after Edmunds, better lineman went after Dawkins, and better WR after Zay. Would Cody have fallen? Who knows. We lost a pick, again. Teams don’t just give away picks for fun. Fairly certain we knew there was a chance Ford wouldn’t last until 40. (Other teams can trade up too). Same with packaging our two-4ths to grab Knox in the 3rd. I don’t think it’s a coincidence the Pats immediately traded down after we jumped them and made the pick. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Manther said: T.J. Graham was a terrible chest catcher. ...WHOA!!...had to be a shining star at SOMETHING?...after all, we snookered everybody and took him before Russell, right?.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcdamit Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 I am excited about this player. It has been forever since the Bills had one of the Athletic game breaking tight ends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 Add it all up and I think we can be a 24 pts a game team. Big jump from 16.8, but I think we have the players to do it, along with an OC that can put together a good, flexible plan each week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Elite Poster said: The problem is, there will inevitably be a better tackle taken later. You should never trade up for a non-QB. Better LB went after Edmunds, better lineman went after Dawkins, and better WR after Zay. Would Cody have fallen? Who knows. We lost a pick, again. And you should never post when you are not sober... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 13 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: And you should never post when you are not sober... well that leaves me out ... I like this pick. and i like this Kid. he will be on the field early and making plays. perhaps even scoring TDs for us ; ) i see they picked up another TE as well by now. good move by Beanes. and i wanted TJ but was even more delighted with Oliver. Then wanted Fant but loved the Ford pick. gotta trust the FO on these matters. Go Bills 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 4 hours ago, Boca BIlls said: Watching Knox he catches everything with his HANDS OUT... That is all I need to see till TC. good point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: well that leaves me out ... I like this pick. and i like this Kid. he will be on the field early and making plays. perhaps even scoring TDs for us ; ) i see they picked up another TE as well by now. good move by Beanes. and i wanted TJ but was even more delighted with Oliver. Then wanted Fant but loved the Ford pick. gotta trust the FO on these matters. Go Bills I think, by the time preseason ends, Knox is going to surprise a lot of people. I was a Hock fan as well and I think there are a lot of similarities between him and Knox. Different programs, different philosophies, different talents around them. Had Knox been on a team like Iowa, I am not so sure he wouldn't have put up some similar numbers. Let's hope! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 Knox is a legit prospect, he is very similar to George Kittle coming out. He has a pretty good chance to be the best TE in this class and that is saying something because I’m a huge Hockenson fan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 4 hours ago, Boca BIlls said: I am talking about Chest Catchers, guys that wait for the ball to come to them are always garbage. Guys that instinctively put there hands out are already better b.c you cannot really teach that, either the player will do it or they never learn. the only great chest catcher i can recall was Jerry Butler...but he had such great talent and an instinct there that you couldnt teach. you are correct most chest catchers are a disaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Elite Poster said: You should never trade up for a non-QB. We lost a pick, again. you still aren't keeping up with your user name 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 43 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: you still aren't keeping up with your user name He should be sued for false advertising.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 54 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: I think, by the time preseason ends, Knox is going to surprise a lot of people. I was a Hock fan as well and I think there are a lot of similarities between him and Knox. Different programs, different philosophies, different talents around them. Had Knox been on a team like Iowa, I am not so sure he wouldn't have put up some similar numbers. Let's hope! Hope Bills can Coach him up to his potential. I am beginning to have more faith about Coaching and programs in Buffalo. Still traumatized from Rex Ryan days .. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 This probably spells the end for DiMarco. Knox shows a ton of lead blocking on his tape, pretty effective at it. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, billsfan1959 said: I think, by the time preseason ends, Knox is going to surprise a lot of people. I was a Hock fan as well and I think there are a lot of similarities between him and Knox. Different programs, different philosophies, different talents around them. Had Knox been on a team like Iowa, I am not so sure he wouldn't have put up some similar numbers. Let's hope! That is where I am at. I am still a bit salty that we did not move up enough to get in front of the Jags and grab Josh Oliver, and I feel the RB in the 3rd was a bit of a reach where he was taken. The measurables are a head-scratcher, but he seems to be baller when you look at the tape, just think he would have been there in the 4th, but who knows - maybe they had some intel that he was being targeted by another team and he was BPA there for more than the Bills. I was pretty vocal about the guys I wanted at TE and we didn't get them - moving on. I am not such a homer that I will simply ignore Knox's lack of TD's or the catching ratio of 15 to 28 targets in 2018; Those two things concern me and rightfully so. It is not like Beane and Co. never make mistakes (exhibit A. Kelvin Benjamin). It is alright to doubt some of their decisions, does not mean that I do not like the direction overall that they are taking this franchise. Re: Knox, he does have very similar measurables to Hockenson, is a decent blocker in space, and did not come out of a school that is known for coaching up their TE's so maybe the untapped potential is there - sure hands are a big deal for me if you plan to run a lot of spread offense and need to move the sticks in increments. I am not going to do the chicken little thing and say the sky is falling, I love what we are doing with the trenches and I am chill with waiting to see where this goes. Edited April 28, 2019 by WideNine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, WideNine said: That is where I am at. I am still a bit salty that we did not move up enough to get in front of the Jags and grab Oliver, and I feel the RB in the 3rd was a bit of a reach where he was taken. The measurables are a head-scratcher, but he seems to be baller when you look at the tape, just think he would have been there in the 4th, but who knows - maybe they had some intel that he was being targeted by another team and he was BPA there for more than the Bills. I was pretty vocal about the guys I wanted at TE and we didn't get them - moving on. I am not such a homer that I will simply ignore Knox's lack of TD's or the catching ratio of 15 to 28 targets in 2018; Those two things concern me and rightfully so. It is not like Beane and Co. never make mistakes (exhibit A. Kelvin Benjamin). It is alright to doubt some of their decisions, does not mean that I do not like the direction overall that they are taking this franchise. Re: Knox, he does have very similar measurables to Hockenson, is a decent blocker in space, and did not come out of a school that is known for coaching up their TE's so maybe the untapped potential is there - sure hands are a big deal for me if you plan to run a lot of spread offense and need to move the sticks in increments. I am not going to do the chicken little thing and say the sky is falling, I love what we are doing with the trenches and I am chill with waiting to see where this goes. Huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, Doc said: Huh? Josh Oliver TE.... NE and apparently the Jags both had him targeted. Understand the confusion....will edit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 45 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: Hope Bills can Coach him up to his potential. I am beginning to have more faith about Coaching and programs in Buffalo. Still traumatized from Rex Ryan days .. I just watched a clip on Youtube were Rex was defending the Daniel Jones pick. He should of stuck as a DC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: I just watched a clip on Youtube were Rex was defending the Daniel Jones pick. He should of stuck as a DC. Amazing to me that the Ryan's old man Buddy was known as a team disciplinarian who ran a tight ship. And Wrecks ran the NFL's version of Animal House. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 21 minutes ago, WideNine said: Josh Oliver TE.... NE and apparently the Jags both had him targeted. Understand the confusion....will edit. Ah. Well the Cheaters has the pick right after Knox and traded down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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