Bookie Man Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 Running game was a awful last season. Loving this revamped OL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 11 minutes ago, Reks Ryan said: Thank you Mr. Obvious. I didn't think they picked Ford by accident. Just saying that I like Risner. IMO he was the best available RT and would've been a good fit. Hopefully Beane, Jeremaiah, etc, are correct and Ford turns out to be a long time starter for the Bills Anytime 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mopreme Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: Dalton Risner has a higher grade, is Ford better in pass protection? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Hix Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 Ford’s footwork looked like it needs a lot of improvement, I’m hoping he can improve and be a quality starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: Basically there are two different styles of run offense, zone based and gap-man based. Zone requires smaller, athletic linemen like Garrett Bradbury, Jason Kielce, Andy Levitre. They have to be able to movend get to adjacent linemen and cover space. Power gap schemes involve a lot of downblcoks and double teams and things of that nature. Big, slower linemen who can destroy the inside gap. Picture what we saw with Greg Roman a few years ago. Th Patriots ran power plays all the way to the super bowl and the Colts decimated our run defense doing the same. As defenses continue to get smaller players to play the pass it makes sense to draft massive linemen and smash the small players. I like the approach. So...making holes with prejudice. ?? Thanks man. Education is good even at my age! @MrEpsYtown one more thing, EPS: right now what does your starting five look like? Edited April 27, 2019 by dollars 2 donuts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: Take it easy. It's not really a fair fight. had to vent, took a lot of abuse the last year. great picks by OBD this year and last, and I like their plan leave it to a time lord to calm down posts of the past ? 16 minutes ago, BillsfaninSB said: Fantastic. Love this pick. Traded AJ mMcCarron for this guy basically. Always pick up QBs with potential. Heck, I'd take Josh Rosen with a few mid rounders if possible and turn him into picks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Success said: Our line might be the most improved in NFL history Even if they're average , that'd be an enormous improvement over last year!! This line is suddenly talented with plenty of depth 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 Ford allowed only 7 total pressures in 2018 and didn't allow a sack until the college football playoffs!" This right here^^^ To anyone bitching that we aren't getting more "playmakers": The number one way to help your quarterback make plays is to keep him upright. Ford only allowed 7 PRESSURES in 2018?! Not sacks, but PRESSURES?! Are you KIDDING ME?! Smokey Brown and Robert Foster will take the lid off defenses. McCoy and Gore will punish them if they don't bring a safety down into the box. Foster or Brown will punish them if they do. But what allows all of this to work? Protection. An upright quarterback. The best receivers in the WORLD don't mean squat if your quarterback is on IR. GO BILLS!!! 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: no were are just going to run the ball. It's hard for a QB to throw the ball when he's on his back or running for his life. Improving the OL will help the passing game. Plus, they upgraded the WRs in FA (a little), there are more rounds in the draft, and Beane has the ammo to trade up again if he sees a WR he likes. Chill. Edited April 27, 2019 by WhoTom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 1 minute ago, WhoTom said: It's hard for a QB to throw the ball when he's on his back or running for his life. Improving the OL will help the passing game. Plus, they upgraded the WRs in FA (a little), there are more rounds in the draft, and Beane has the ammo to trade up again if he sees a WR he likes. Chill. No. We have linemen. Weapons !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Logic said: Ford allowed only 7 total pressures in 2018 and didn't allow a sack until the college football playoffs!" This right here^^^ To anyone bitching that we aren't getting more "playmakers": The number one way to help your quarterback make plays is to keep him upright. Ford only allowed 7 PRESSURES in 2018?! Not sacks, but PRESSURES?! Are you KIDDING ME?! Smokey Brown and Robert Foster will take the lid off defenses. McCoy and Gore will punish them if they don't bring a safety down into the box. Foster or Brown will punish them if they do. But what allows all of this to work? Protection. An upright quarterback. The best receivers in the WORLD don't mean squat if your quarterback is on IR. GO BILLS!!! Ford can get stronger, he is a natural pass blocker. LG seems a natural fit. RT is possible. Guys like Morse and Ford are natural pass blockers. I wonder if Buffalo actually drafted a QB and want to protect him. Imagine JA with one more second to find a guy deep..... He has the arm that even Mayfield and Murray couldn't exploit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: No. We have linemen. Weapons !!! Really? We have an established starting right tackle? That's funny, I don't see one on the roster. We HAVE weapons: Foster and Smokey Brown are two of the ten fastest receivers in the NFL. Josh Allen's arm and legs are weapons. McCoy is a weapon. We have 7 more draft picks to keep adding. I promise, all the weapons in the world don't mean squat if your QB is on IR. R-E-L-A-X. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 5 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: Even if they're average , that'd be an enormous improvement over last year!! This line is suddenly talented with plenty of depth Simple and to the point, JB. And spot on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said: So...making holes with prejudice. ?? Thanks man. Education is good even at my age! @MrEpsYtown one more thing, EPS: right now what does your starting five look like? A lot of pressure there. I'm not sure. I think it's either: Dawkins-Spain-Morse-Ford-Nsehke or Dawkins-Spain-Morse-Long-Ford with Nsehke as the swing guy and Feliciano as the interior backup. I hope Ford is a right tackle, but I think he will be really good in either spot. Similar to Dawkins, even though he is a bit shorter, he has long arms (longer than Dillard and Williams) so I think he would be fine at RT and I think that you have to try him there before moving him in. I think Spencer Long will surprise some people at RG but I feel like I am in the minority there. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 1 minute ago, RocCityRoller said: Ford can get stronger, he is a natural pass blocker. LG seems a natural fit. RT is possible. Guys like Morse and Ford are natural pass blockers. I wonder if Buffalo actually drafted a QB and want to protect him. Imagine JA with one more second to find a guy deep..... He has the arm that even Mayfield and Murray couldn't exploit. Why did they not trade up JAWAAN TAYLOR if they wanted a OT? i would have been fine with Taylor . Ford is around 6'3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said: Ford can get stronger, he is a natural pass blocker. LG seems a natural fit. RT is possible. Guys like Morse and Ford are natural pass blockers. I wonder if Buffalo actually drafted a QB and want to protect him. Imagine JA with one more second to find a guy deep..... He has the arm that even Mayfield and Murray couldn't exploit. You're right. Morse and Ford, the two most prominent additions on the o-line both have pass blocking as their primary strength. I don't think that's by accident. Looks like the Bills rightly understand that they invested picks and money in a QB and want to give him every chance to succeed by protecting him. Imagine that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 We clearly got the wrong Cody. Gonna have to change my screen name now Ok that joke is getting old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Yeah who needs weapons when you sign 6 Olineman in FA, and trade up to boot. You already forgot about Cole Beasley, Smokey Brown ,TJ Yeldon , Gore ,Kroft and the best return man last year in Andre Roberts?? Oh and still have Foster who has tremendous upside , Zay (I still like Zay and feel he makes a big jump in year 3), McKenzie,Duke Williams,Ray Ray to battle out the last spot. And Shady who is still very elite in pass game. Our weapons week 1 this year compared to week 1 last year will be night and day!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 1 minute ago, MrEpsYtown said: A lot of pressure there. I'm not sure. I think it's either: Dawkins-Spain-Morse-Ford-Nsehke or Dawkins-Spain-Morse-Long-Ford with Nsehke as the swing guy and Feliciano as the interior backup. I hope Ford is a right tackle, but I think he will be really good in either spot. Similar to Dawkins, even though he is a bit shorter, he has long arms (longer than Dillard and Williams) so I think he would be fine at RT and I think that you have to try him there before moving him in. I think Spencer Long will surprise some people at RG but I feel like I am in the minority there. Just wanted to say I'm with you here. Long was an upper echelon RG before signing with the Jets. It's why they paid mega-bucks to bring him in. Yes, he had a down year at C with injuries and such. But if he's fully healthy and aloud to concentrate on winning a guard spot? People are sleeping on Long. I think Spain and Long win starting guard spots and Ford or Nsekhe start at RT. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: A lot of pressure there. I'm not sure. I think it's either: Dawkins-Spain-Morse-Ford-Nsehke or Dawkins-Spain-Morse-Long-Ford with Nsehke as the swing guy and Feliciano as the interior backup. I hope Ford is a right tackle, but I think he will be really good in either spot. Similar to Dawkins, even though he is a bit shorter, he has long arms (longer than Dillard and Williams) so I think he would be fine at RT and I think that you have to try him there before moving him in. I think Spencer Long will surprise some people at RG but I feel like I am in the minority there. I honestly thought of Ford flip flopping between G and T, as well. Man, this is such a good problem to have. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 28 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: From left to right: Nsekhe Dawkins Morse Spain Ford This is how I see it playing out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 Hopefully Josh Allen's passing improves with his 27 new offensive linemen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: You already forgot about Cole Beasley, Smokey Brown ,TJ Yeldon , Gore ,Kroft and the best return man last year in Andre Roberts?? Oh and still have Foster who has tremendous upside , Zay (I still like Zay and feel he makes a big jump in year 3), McKenzie,Duke Williams,Ray Ray to battle out the last spot. And Shady who is still very elite in pass game. Our weapons week 1 this year compared to week 1 last year will be night and day!!! Why was Beane trying to trade for Brown? major weaknesses at skilled positions and nothing they signed in free agency going to fix it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said: Why was Beane trying to trade for Brown? major weaknesses at skilled positions and nothing they signed in free agency going to fix it A good offensive line makes playmakers of wide receivers, tight ends and backs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: Hard to tell much from those highlights; that is some weak-ass competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 10 minutes ago, Logic said: You're right. Morse and Ford, the two most prominent additions on the o-line both have pass blocking as their primary strength. I don't think that's by accident. Looks like the Bills rightly understand that they invested picks and money in a QB and want to give him every chance to succeed by protecting him. Imagine that. What a concept? And Dawkins showed he is a solid LT with a little help. Morse will help JA call out protections and is a tp 5% pass blocker Ford is a PB stud with a RB attitude, and will get stronger Dawkins is aok if on a solid OL, but can't carry one on his own 1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said: A good offensive line makes playmakers of wide receivers, tight ends and backs. I don't understand how people don't understand this and Buffalo added Brown, Beasley and Gore. Not superstars, but professionals. Give JA 0.5 to 1 second more to find the Brown of Foster deep..... Give McCoy or Gore a hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 Then Beane should have done after Taylor who was one of the best tackles available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Logic Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 Just now, Niagara Dude said: Then Beane should have done after Taylor who was one of the best tackles available 1.) Taylor had medical concerns. 2.) Ford is a better pass protecter than Taylor. 3.) Taylor was off the board when the Bills picked. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Niagara Dude said: Then Beane should have done after Taylor who was one of the best tackles available I loved Taylor but I’m gonna trust Beane on this. All I wanted was a good OT at that spot. I trust the process that they got a good one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrinkinBuddy Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 1 hour ago, MTLBills said: My guess, to start LT: Dawkins LG: Spain C : Morse RG: Long RT: Ford Swing: Nsekhe Backups: Feliciano, Waddle Looks about right. Maybe this: My guess, to start LT: Nsekhe LG: Spain C : Morse RG: Dawkins RT: Ford Swing: Waddle Backups: Feliciano, Long And Beaner trades Bodine for a 2020 5th 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 7 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said: Why was Beane trying to trade for Brown? major weaknesses at skilled positions and nothing they signed in free agency going to fix it No weapon drafted or signed is going to fix it, good quarterbacks make average/above average players into weapons. Allen can make this current group into superstars, or make them look putrid. Doesn’t matter what receivers you get if (a) Allen can’t get the ball to them or (b) he can’t read the field and find open guys. Once he proves he can do that consistently you can bang the drum to get him elite weapons 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 25 minutes ago, Logic said: Ford allowed only 7 total pressures in 2018 and didn't allow a sack until the college football playoffs!" This right here^^^ To anyone bitching that we aren't getting more "playmakers": The number one way to help your quarterback make plays is to keep him upright. Ford only allowed 7 PRESSURES in 2018?! Not sacks, but PRESSURES?! Are you KIDDING ME?! Smokey Brown and Robert Foster will take the lid off defenses. McCoy and Gore will punish them if they don't bring a safety down into the box. Foster or Brown will punish them if they do. But what allows all of this to work? Protection. An upright quarterback. The best receivers in the WORLD don't mean squat if your quarterback is on IR. GO BILLS!!! Beane has nailed this draft. Ford should have been a first round pick. I’m happy to have him. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 39 minutes ago, wppete said: Feliciano???? Yeah. Let him battle too. Best man win 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: Think Tight End is coming in the 3rd. I’m all for Sternberger! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 Just read that part about how few sacks/pressures he allowed, just fantastic. Add that to Morse who hasn't allowed a sack since his rookie year and Allen is going to be able to run when he WANTS to, not when he has to. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noacls Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, DrinkinBuddy said: Looks about right. Maybe this: My guess, to start LT: Nsekhe LG: Spain C : Morse RG: Dawkins RT: Ford Swing: Waddle Backups: Feliciano, Long And Beaner trades Bodine for a 2020 5th It's not easy for an O lineman to switch sides. IMHO if Dawkins is moved will be to LG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Formerly Allan in MD said: You got picked? No it would have included whiney and femanen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrinkinBuddy Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 1 minute ago, noacls said: It's not easy for an O lineman to switch sides. IMHO if Dawkins is moved will be to LG Conundrum as Spain is better on the left. I think those are our best 5. Perhaps you sacrifice best 5 talent-wise for best 5 because of natural position. There's debate as to whether they see Dawkins as the future LT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Niagara Dude Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 17 minutes ago, billspro said: Beane has nailed this draft. Ford should have been a first round pick. I’m happy to have him. Right, i am sure Beane will now draft a WR who can block and plays with a high motor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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