Simms Top 5 WR (draft prospects)

[mrags]

8 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said:

kyle was 6'2 300  oliver is what 10 lbs. lighter? and twice as explosive. he will be in the backfield twice as much. quinen williams? no,  but dt is our no. 1 need....edge being 2nd.

Actually at the combine he was 15lbs lighter. And chances are he bulked up for the combine just like everyone else does for their weigh in. Especially with a position like DT. 

 

If you look at him, he looks much lighter than Kyle. 

1 hour ago, Mat68 said:

Hes not going to threaten the outside CB deep with his speed.  NFL corners will run stride for stride with him.  His best work in college was underneath.  The worry is the corners will sit down on those routes.  Now without the physical speed and quickness advantages his route tree will have less room for error.  Makes more a tougher transition.  Not impossible just a concern.  Splitting hairs on these guys for sure.  

I think the thing that makes Harry so enticing is his route running. He seems like he has much more fluidity in his movements and has a much bigger route tree than some of the other WRs. 

[GimmeSomeProcess]

7 hours ago, Putin said:

I don’t get all the love for Oliver !

hes undersized for a DT , I think he will get destroyed in a run game , he hasn’t shown anything when it comes to rushing the passer and against a low level competition he was facing, 

So what is it about  him that screams a top 10 pick ?? Potential? 

 

 

Yes cause the league is such a run heavy league. Fact is he had 53 tackles for loss and 13.5 sacks in 32 games. Per game he avg more tackles for loss than Donald in college and .2 sacks fewer. Oliver is a rare talent, you don’t find linemen, let alone interior linemen that explosive at 280 pounds 

[badassgixxer05]

9 hours ago, Juice_32 said:

I’m still hoping for Deebo. He reminds me a lot of JuJu. 

Ahhh, so thats who took his bike...

[eball]

9 hours ago, White Linen said:

My top 5

 

1) N'Keal Harry - I think he's the best all around WR in this draft.  His catch radius is outstanding and I think he plays taller than he is but at 6'2", IMO, it's the ideal size for an NFL wide receiver to still be supremely athletic.  

 

2) Parris Campbell - His speed is one thing, but when he puts his foot in the ground, he accelerates immediately.  So smooth and I see star potential but I believe he'll be playing a long time in the NFL.  I think he's the best route runner in the draft. 

 

3)  Hakeem Butler - It's easy to just say you like a tall receiver but I think he's more than that.  He can cause problems for a defense in many ways.  I think he's got Randy Moss potential.  

 

4) DK Metcalf - Sometimes physical tools are just too phenomenal to ignore.  I think he's got the potential to make wow plays but it'll take time for him to be well rounded.  If he's got the work ethic (I don't know) then he could be unreal - if he doesn't I can see him actually struggle at the next level.  I think he's boom or bust more than anyone in the top 5.

 

5) Deebo Samuel - I think he can play all the positions at WR.  He runs excellent routes and takes great angles.  Doesn't have over the top speed but does very well after the catch.  I really like his frame and I think he'll be a durable tough NFL WR. 

 

If they can get one of these five without reaching i'd be pretty happy.

[Juice_32]

His praise of Paris Campbell is interesting. I haven’t seen him mentioned as a 1st rounder by anyone else. I need to go back and look at him. Any Buckeye fans out there agree with his sentiment?

[Mat68]

11 minutes ago, Juice_32 said:

His praise of Paris Campbell is interesting. I haven’t seen him mentioned as a 1st rounder by anyone else. I need to go back and look at him. Any Buckeye fans out there agree with his sentiment?

Alot of it is projection.  He ran maybe 3 routes at Ohio St.  Basically, with how fluid an athlete he is, Simms feels he will easily take to a traditional route tree.  Alot of other draftnicks see him and think Percy Harvin.  Even that comp, if Harvin didn't have those migraines and the hip problem he was on his was to a good career.

[Juice_32]

1 minute ago, Mat68 said:

Alot of it is projection.  He ran maybe 3 routes at Ohio St.  Basically, with how fluid an athlete he is, Simms feels he will easily take to a traditional route tree.  Alot of other draftnicks see him and think Percy Harvin.  Even that comp, if Harvin didn't have those migraines and the hip problem he was on his was to a good career.

 

Brown, Foster and Campbell with Beasley in the slot sounds good to me. Beasley would go nuts with all that outside speed, especially now that our pass protection should be vastly improved.

[Estro]

13 hours ago, Allen2Moulds said:

If were unable to land one of the elite pass rushers,  I would take DK.  Smart money would be...

 

Ed Oliver

Jawaan Taylor

Or DK

 

Please no Jonah Williams.  He looked overwhelmed against Clemson. 

Jawan Taylor has some medical concerns as well as weight issue concerns according to Tony Pauline.  I think his stock is lower than what many mock drafters would have you believe.

[Pete]

9 hours ago, mannc said:

I think the drop off from DK to a second round receiver would be a lot greater than from Oliver to a second round DT.  

What DT are we getting in 2nd round?  Simmons and Tillery are going in 1st IMO.  Ed Oliver has been in discussion for years about being #1 overall.  I like DK.  But the DT value is in 1st, WR, TE, RB post 1st

[FeelingOnYouboty]

1. D.K. Metcalf

2. Hakeem Butler

3. Marquise Brown

4.  Parris Campbell

5. Terry McLaurin

[DCOrange]

My personal top 5 is:

1. DK Metcalf - Checks basically all of the boxes for me; can be a starter from Day 1 as mainly a vertical threat IMO with the potential to become an elite WR
2. Deebo Samuel - Isn't the freakish athlete that Metcalf is but he's still strong, explosive, big and good hands, and a great route runner
3. Stanley Morgan - My favorite potential value play at the position; might be the best route runner in the draft class, nailed every athletic measurement besides 40 time (which is still a decent 4.53), and has good hands as well
4. N'Keal Harry - I'm still a bit wary of his separation skills and overall explosiveness, but great body control and contested catch ability as well as potentially being a YAC threat. Also love his relative youth and the fact that he was a difference maker at such a young age in college.
5. Tyre Brady - Like Harry, I'm a bit wary of his separation skills and overall explosiveness, but I think his body control and hands are even better than Harry's. I was tempted to put Brady above Harry, but I think Harry has more YAC potential and Brady will have a red flag from getting into trouble early in his career.

Honorable mentions (not in any particular order): Emanuel Hall, Andy Isabella, JJ Arcega-Whiteside, Kelvin Harmon, Hakeem Butler

 

39 minutes ago, Juice_32 said:

His praise of Paris Campbell is interesting. I haven’t seen him mentioned as a 1st rounder by anyone else. I need to go back and look at him. Any Buckeye fans out there agree with his sentiment?

 

I think the guys at WalterFootball have been discussing Campbell as a potential late 1st rounder most of the year, but yeah, it's definitely not the consensus.

[Buffalo86]

1 hour ago, badassgixxer05 said:

Ahhh, so thats who took his bike...

 

By now you know the name Deebo Samuel, but do you know where it came from?

 

Turns out, “Deebo” isn’t the real name of South Carolina’s Heisman contender; his actual name is Tyshun. He earned the nickname “Deebo” from the neighborhood bully in the popular movie Friday because he too was the neighborhood bully growing up.

 

Samuel’s father said in an interview, “As a kid I always took him over to people’s houses, and he always took stuff from people. Everywhere I go, I had to argue with somebody’s parent about him taking stuff from somebody’s kid. Pushing kids down. Being Deebo. Just being a bully.”

 

https://kentuckysportsradio.com/football-2/deebo-samuel-earned-his-nickname-from-friday-bully/

[badassgixxer05]

53 minutes ago, Buffalo86 said:

 

By now you know the name Deebo Samuel, but do you know where it came from?

 

Turns out, “Deebo” isn’t the real name of South Carolina’s Heisman contender; his actual name is Tyshun. He earned the nickname “Deebo” from the neighborhood bully in the popular movie Friday because he too was the neighborhood bully growing up.

 

Samuel’s father said in an interview, “As a kid I always took him over to people’s houses, and he always took stuff from people. Everywhere I go, I had to argue with somebody’s parent about him taking stuff from somebody’s kid. Pushing kids down. Being Deebo. Just being a bully.”

 

https://kentuckysportsradio.com/football-2/deebo-samuel-earned-his-nickname-from-friday-bully/

Haha, I did not know this. That is great..?

[dollars 2 donuts]

13 hours ago, mrags said:

This 

I find it hard to believe Harry isn’t on any of these top 5s. Or even Butler for that matter. 

 

I guess it all depends on what a team is looking for. But to me, Harry looks like he might be the most complete WR in the early rounds. 

 

 

Rags, if so could he drop to the second?

 

If he does and the Bills didn't take a WR in the first, do you think it is a no brainer to take him here (like some mocks have shown)?

 

I just know very little about him.

[Allen2Moulds]

5 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

 

Rags, if so could he drop to the second?

 

If he does and the Bills didn't take a WR in the first, do you think it is a no brainer to take him here (like some mocks have shown)?

 

I just know very little about him.

Most of the so called experts believe that most of these WR will go in the second. I forgot what analyst,  but he predicted as many as 7 in the 2nd.  DK seems to be the only lock,  to go in the 1st.

Edited April 10, 2019 by Allen2Moulds

[GunnerBill]

1. AJ Brown

2. DK Metcalf

3. N'Keal Harry

4. Marquise Brown

5. Preston Williams

[foreboding]

Which of these receivers is most like the best WR in the NFL right now?

DeAndre Hopkins

 

Great hands, great route runner,  excellent hand fighter who creates a gap and is sneaky fast and has a nasty and aggressive on field demeanor (ala Steve Smith)-

That is the guy I want- who do you think fits the mold?

[GunnerBill]

12 minutes ago, foreboding said:

Which of these receivers is most like the best WR in the NFL right now?

DeAndre Hopkins

 

Great hands, great route runner,  excellent hand fighter who creates a gap and is sneaky fast and has a nasty and aggressive on field demeanor (ala Steve Smith)-

That is the guy I want- who do you think fits the mold?

 

Nobody in this draft.

[NewEra]

3 hours ago, Juice_32 said:

His praise of Paris Campbell is interesting. I haven’t seen him mentioned as a 1st rounder by anyone else. I need to go back and look at him. Any Buckeye fans out there agree with his sentiment?

Is o/u in Vegas is 28th pick

[DCOrange]

30 minutes ago, foreboding said:

Which of these receivers is most like the best WR in the NFL right now?

DeAndre Hopkins

 

Great hands, great route runner,  excellent hand fighter who creates a gap and is sneaky fast and has a nasty and aggressive on field demeanor (ala Steve Smith)-

That is the guy I want- who do you think fits the mold?

 

You're not really going to find that in this year's draft. I think Deebo Samuel might be the closest but he's two inches shorter than DeAndre and doesn't have the wingspan that DeAndre had. I think he's more or less got all of those attributes, but probably not as high-end as Hopkins is in any of them.

[mrags]

1 hour ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

 

Rags, if so could he drop to the second?

 

If he does and the Bills didn't take a WR in the first, do you think it is a no brainer to take him here (like some mocks have shown)?

 

I just know very little about him.

I don’t follow college football very much. Right around this time is when I start watching highlights of the guys coming out. 

 

Ill say this, if Harry is there when we pick in the 2nd round and we don’t take him, I’ll be severely disappointed. 

 

And that hat means I do not want a WR in the 1st round. If they go with Metcalf, I hope they know what they are doing. He’s got probably the highest ceiling. Could be the next Megatron. He could also be James Hardy. I personally would rather have Harry or AJ Brown. Or if they want that freakish body, go with Butler who’s 6’6” and has really good movement. He doesn’t look Frankensteinish to me at all. 

[glazeduck]

7 minutes ago, mrags said:

Could be the next Megatron. He could also be James Hardy. 

 

The thing that I don't think most people grasp about DK is how exceptionally rare of an athlete he is. Yes, in terms of purely size, I suppose he could be somewhat similar to James Hardy (R.I.P. You'll never be able to convince me otherwise that a significant amount of him busting wasn't Edwards' fault, but that's another conversation...).

 

I came across this article yesterday <--- DEFINITELY WORTH A READ, it's written for fantasy purposes, but the point works for real football too. It's not just that DK is big, or muscular, or fast, or long, or can jump high... It's that all of those things, in addition to his work on the football field (watch Simms' video at the beginning of this thread or Nate Burleson's breakdown of him in one of the threads) make him a football player that is exceptionally difficult to defend. In the history of football, DK has very few comparisons who touch his athletic measurables. 

 

There's a lot of talk about Jonah Williams' floor in his thread, to it's not hard to argue that DK's might even be higher. As I said in an earlier post, if the medicals check out, I'd be very happy with DK at 9. DL is deep, TE is deep, OL is deep and less of an immediate priority... 

[mrags]

9 minutes ago, glazeduck said:

 

The thing that I don't think most people grasp about DK is how exceptionally rare of an athlete he is. Yes, in terms of purely size, I suppose he could be somewhat similar to James Hardy (R.I.P. You'll never be able to convince me otherwise that a significant amount of him busting wasn't Edwards' fault, but that's another conversation...).

 

I came across this article yesterday <--- DEFINITELY WORTH A READ, it's written for fantasy purposes, but the point works for real football too. It's not just that DK is big, or muscular, or fast, or long, or can jump high... It's that all of those things, in addition to his work on the football field (watch Simms' video at the beginning of this thread or Nate Burleson's breakdown of him in one of the threads) make him a football player that is exceptionally difficult to defend. In the history of football, DK has very few comparisons who touch his athletic measurables. 

 

There's a lot of talk about Jonah Williams' floor in his thread, to it's not hard to argue that DK's might even be higher. As I said in an earlier post, if the medicals check out, I'd be very happy with DK at 9. DL is deep, TE is deep, OL is deep and less of an immediate priority... 

I don’t take away from what DK COULD become. It’s that he’s been often injured. It’s that he’s not put up very good numbers in college and that’s with other really good WRs on the field at the same time. Yes... he’s a physical freak. Could be a generational talent. But he could flame out like all the other workout warriors that come through the draft. 

 

Personally, if it’s me, I’d rather trade back from 9, pick up extra picks and take Hockenson or Fant. I believe they could be the TE versions of Metcalf. Especially Fant. He is just a monster. But right now TJ is a better all around player. But if I’m taking a shot on someone being a generational talent, I’d rather trade back, get extra picks, and take Fant 

2 hours ago, foreboding said:

Which of these receivers is most like the best WR in the NFL right now?

DeAndre Hopkins

 

Great hands, great route runner,  excellent hand fighter who creates a gap and is sneaky fast and has a nasty and aggressive on field demeanor (ala Steve Smith)-

That is the guy I want- who do you think fits the mold?

Probably Harry

[glazeduck]

14 minutes ago, mrags said:

I don’t take away from what DK COULD become. It’s that he’s been often injured. It’s that he’s not put up very good numbers in college and that’s with other really good WRs on the field at the same time. Yes... he’s a physical freak. Could be a generational talent. But he could flame out like all the other workout warriors that come through the draft. 

 

Personally, if it’s me, I’d rather trade back from 9, pick up extra picks and take Hockenson or Fant. I believe they could be the TE versions of Metcalf. Especially Fant. He is just a monster. But right now TJ is a better all around player. But if I’m taking a shot on someone being a generational talent, I’d rather trade back, get extra picks, and take Fant 

Probably Harry

Go read the article I posted and you might change your stance a bit. The point is that DK isn't "like all the other workout warriors that come through the draft." He's physically superior to nearly every WR to EVER come through the draft. And more interestingly, the ones who are comparable to him athletically over the past few years are all stars in the league.

 

As a Pac-12 guy, I like Harry a lot too, but he can't sniff DK's jock athletically. And I understand the excitement around Fant and Hock, but I also think one of them will be there to trade up for in the 20s. TEs just do not have as much impact on the game as other positions.

[mrags]

14 minutes ago, glazeduck said:

Go read the article I posted and you might change your stance a bit. The point is that DK isn't "like all the other workout warriors that come through the draft." He's physically superior to nearly every WR to EVER come through the draft. And more interestingly, the ones who are comparable to him athletically over the past few years are all stars in the league.

 

As a Pac-12 guy, I like Harry a lot too, but he can't sniff DK's jock athletically. And I understand the excitement around Fant and Hock, but I also think one of them will be there to trade up for in the 20s. TEs just do not have as much impact on the game as other positions.

I read the article. It just made my point even more to be honest. They used their stats to say that DK, along with other first round WRs had close to a 50% chance at becoming very good if not superstars in the league. WELL DUH... of course early round picks have a much better shot at becoming good. They are athletically gifted over later round picks which generally means they have a higher chance of being good. 

 

This quote in their conclusion says it all to me

”Assuming Metcalf gets drafted in the first-round, his chance for success is high. The probability for reaching Calvin Johnson dominance might be less than 50-percent but increases if we temper our expectations.”

 

As if him being drafted in the first round has anything to do with his success at all. The fact is that he’s a freak and based on potential, he could turn into a dominant player in the league. Then they have the balls to say that he has a 50% chance to be as dominant as the most dominant receiver to ever play the game??? Where do they come up with this crap. 

 

And i I didn’t include it,  but they also say that Harry and Butler are safer picks and have less of a chance to bust than DK. 

 

Again, if they draft DK, I get it. Your swinging for the fences. He has the possibility to be the best player in the draft. The potential to take the league by storm and change everything for us. I’ll be happy if they see that in him and hope that he can become just that. 

 

But my instincts tell me that Harry is the best WR in this draft. That AJ Brown and Butler will also be better. More consistent. Have much better route trees. And have much higher floors, even if it does limit their ceilings. 

 

And your 100% right about the TE position. However, if you can get your hands on one of the TEs in the league that are highly considered the best. Guys like Shockey, Gonzo, Gronk, Ertz, Kelce, And Kittle arguably make more of an impact than even some of the best WRs in the game. If you can get your hands on a player like that, at a position that normally doesn’t have that kind of impact; it’s that much more important. 

Edited April 10, 2019 by mrags

[Allen2Moulds]

1 hour ago, mrags said:

I read the article. It just made my point even more to be honest. They used their stats to say that DK, along with other first round WRs had close to a 50% chance at becoming very good if not superstars in the league. WELL DUH... of course early round picks have a much better shot at becoming good. They are athletically gifted over later round picks which generally means they have a higher chance of being good. 

 

This quote in their conclusion says it all to me

”Assuming Metcalf gets drafted in the first-round, his chance for success is high. The probability for reaching Calvin Johnson dominance might be less than 50-percent but increases if we temper our expectations.”

 

As if him being drafted in the first round has anything to do with his success at all. The fact is that he’s a freak and based on potential, he could turn into a dominant player in the league. Then they have the balls to say that he has a 50% chance to be as dominant as the most dominant receiver to ever play the game??? Where do they come up with this crap. 

 

And i I didn’t include it,  but they also say that Harry and Butler are safer picks and have less of a chance to bust than DK. 

 

Again, if they draft DK, I get it. Your swinging for the fences. He has the possibility to be the best player in the draft. The potential to take the league by storm and change everything for us. I’ll be happy if they see that in him and hope that he can become just that. 

 

But my instincts tell me that Harry is the best WR in this draft. That AJ Brown and Butler will also be better. More consistent. Have much better route trees. And have much higher floors, even if it does limit their ceilings. 

 

And your 100% right about the TE position. However, if you can get your hands on one of the TEs in the league that are highly considered the best. Guys like Shockey, Gonzo, Gronk, Ertz, Kelce, And Kittle arguably make more of an impact than even some of the best WRs in the game. If you can get your hands on a player like that, at a position that normally doesn’t have that kind of impact; it’s that much more important. 

I'm very skeptical of analytics in the game of football.  I know some of it belongs,  but the rest seems to be garbage.  That said..... I couldn't help but notice the guys with the highest scores (120 and up) were all dominant. DK was what,  a 133

[mrags]

4 minutes ago, Allen2Moulds said:

I'm very skeptical of analytics in the game of football.  I know some of it belongs,  but the rest seems to be garbage.  That said..... I couldn't help but notice the guys with the highest scores (120 and up) were all dominant. DK was what,  a 133

Where are you getting the scores from? I haven’t seen this list. 

[LABILLBACKER]

18 hours ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Kinda redundant with brown and foster no ?

Really, with Brown and Foster we won't need a 3rd fly route guy and besides if it is DK, he's 4.3

[Alphadawg7]

20 hours ago, TheTruthHurts said:

My #1 WR by far is Marquise Brown.

 

Do we really need 3 versions of the same player on the team though?  Marquise doesn't make as much sense for us as much now with both Brown and Foster already on the roster.  I certainly wont hate landing him, but I am skeptical we would take him anymore given we already have smaller deep ball guys and need a #1 target that also has some size and big catch radius too.  Someone like DK, Harry, or Butler to me is more likely to be the pick.  Now if Marquise slips to say the 3rd, I think they should and would run to the podium.  But I just cant see them choosing him right now anywhere in the first 2 rounds based on who else is likely on the board to compliment this roster and Allen better.

[C.Biscuit97]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Nobody in this draft.

In fairness, you won’t have said Hopkins would be Hopkins when he came out either.  

 

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/deandre-hopkins?id=2540165

 

in my humble opinion, this sounds most like Harry. 

[Solomon Grundy]

3 hours ago, mrags said:

I don’t follow college football very much. Right around this time is when I start watching highlights of the guys coming out. 

 

Ill say this, if Harry is there when we pick in the 2nd round and we don’t take him, I’ll be severely disappointed. 

 

And that hat means I do not want a WR in the 1st round. If they go with Metcalf, I hope they know what they are doing. He’s got probably the highest ceiling. Could be the next Megatron. He could also be James Hardy. I personally would rather have Harry or AJ Brown. Or if they want that freakish body, go with Butler who’s 6’6” and has really good movement. He doesn’t look Frankensteinish to me at all. 

I'd think Butler would be more like Hardy based on body type

[Allen2Moulds]

36 minutes ago, mrags said:

Where are you getting the scores from? I haven’t seen this list. 

The 2nd chart in the article has DK and his NFL comps.  Megatron was number 1 with a speed score of 139, followed by Demarious,  Julio, and Andre Johnson were all in the 120's. DK would be second with a 133.

 

I wonder where Moulds would've ranked.  Speaking of size and speed/explosiveness.

Edited April 10, 2019 by Allen2Moulds

[mrags]

1 minute ago, Allen2Moulds said:

The 2nd chart in the article has DK and his NFL comps.  Megatron was number 1 with a speed score of 139, followed by Demarious,  Julio, and Andre John were all in the 120's. DK would be secound with a 133

Oh that? Lol. That’s hilarious that’s what your basing an argument on. Where were some of the losers on that list? Where were other guys that didn’t make that list but are incredible or at least very good now. Guys like Jeffery, Evans, Jackson, Fitzgerald. 

 

Theres no guarantee that just because he’s big and fast, that he’ll be good in the league. 

 

Hell, there’s no guarantee that he doesn’t re-injure his neck again after the first hit that he takes in training camp. 

 

I keep having to say it. I don’t dislike him. His potential isn’t just through the roof. There isn’t a roof with him. He could be the most dominant WR to ever play the game. If the Bills take him, I hope he becomes just that. I just wouldn’t bet on that happening. 

[GunnerBill]

16 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

In fairness, you won’t have said Hopkins would be Hopkins when he came out either.  

 

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/deandre-hopkins?id=2540165

 

in my humble opinion, this sounds most like Harry. 

 

Was the year before I started grading so can't tell you what I personally thought. I just don't think there is a proper elite #1 type in this draft. Harry is more Anquan Bolden to me than Deandre Hopkins.

35 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Do we really need 3 versions of the same player on the team though?  Marquise doesn't make as much sense for us as much now with both Brown and Foster already on the roster.  I certainly wont hate landing him, but I am skeptical we would take him anymore given we already have smaller deep ball guys and need a #1 target that also has some size and big catch radius too.  Someone like DK, Harry, or Butler to me is more likely to be the pick.  Now if Marquise slips to say the 3rd, I think they should and would run to the podium.  But I just cant see them choosing him right now anywhere in the first 2 rounds based on who else is likely on the board to compliment this roster and Allen better.

 

Marquise will be a slot guy so he is competing with Beasley and McKenzie. 

[mrags]

19 minutes ago, the skycap said:

I'd think Butler would be more like Hardy based on body type

JJ Arcega Whiteside is actually the closest thing. Butler is a bit stiff but would run circles around Frankenstein-Hardy any day. 

23 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

In fairness, you won’t have said Hopkins would be Hopkins when he came out either.  

 

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/deandre-hopkins?id=2540165

 

in my humble opinion, this sounds most like Harry. 

I think of him as more of a Julio type honestly, but that wasn’t the question. Your right though, based on the question of who is closest to Hopkins, Harry is probably that. 

Edited April 10, 2019 by mrags

[Alphadawg7]

8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Was the year before I started grading so can't tell you what I personally thought. I just don't think there is a proper elite #1 type in this draft. Harry is more Anquan Bolden to me than Deandre Hopkins.

 

Marquise will be a slot guy so he is competing with Beasley and McKenzie. 

 

Then picking him makes even less sense.  Cole is our slot guy for the foreseeable future, they will not be drafting competition for his position.  0% chance of that happening, at least with a day 1 or day 2 pick.  

[Buffalo_Stampede]

50 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Do we really need 3 versions of the same player on the team though?  Marquise doesn't make as much sense for us as much now with both Brown and Foster already on the roster.  I certainly wont hate landing him, but I am skeptical we would take him anymore given we already have smaller deep ball guys and need a #1 target that also has some size and big catch radius too.  Someone like DK, Harry, or Butler to me is more likely to be the pick.  Now if Marquise slips to say the 3rd, I think they should and would run to the podium.  But I just cant see them choosing him right now anywhere in the first 2 rounds based on who else is likely on the board to compliment this roster and Allen better.

I don't care much about WR size anymore. You can't touch these WRs anymore. Get WRs that create separation. Brown does.

[Alphadawg7]

8 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said:

I don't care much about WR size anymore. You can't touch these WRs anymore. Get WRs that create separation. Brown does.

 

We have that already...Cole gets separation, so does Foster and Brown.  

 

We need diversity not 4 guys who do the same thing.  What we do not have, is a guy who is open when he is not.  A guy who is a Redzone target.  A guy who can make contested catches.  A guy who can be a big target.

 

I have nothing against small WR's, but we need some diversity.  Duke could emerge for that role, but he has a lot to prove.  I seriously doubt the FO is going to draft a 4th guy who is not a guy to make contested catches, not a Redzone target, not a big target for a big QB with a big Arm.  

 

Dont get me wrong, I like Marquise...I was hoping we may steal him in the 2nd before FA began...but now signing Brown and Cole, I think we need to diversify that room and give Allen levels to work with.  

Edited April 10, 2019 by Alphadawg7

[ndirish1978]

12 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said:

I don't care much about WR size anymore. You can't touch these WRs anymore. Get WRs that create separation. Brown does.

 

Ok tell Hollywood Brown to catch jump balls in the end zone then. Height still matters.

[GunnerBill]

49 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Then picking him makes even less sense.  Cole is our slot guy for the foreseeable future, they will not be drafting competition for his position.  0% chance of that happening, at least with a day 1 or day 2 pick.  

 

I don't think it will either. To be honest I am not convinced they will take a receiver in day 1 or day 2 unless someone really falls (like if Harry was there when they pick in the third).