anguskeenan Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 With Zach released, is this an option? Reviews were mixed on whether Edmonds should remain MLB if we could find a good upgrade and put him in a position to just make plays as opposed to call the D. I am open with it remaining as-is, but Zach's a good ILB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) What’s up with Zach Brown. He always grades out highly but no one wants to keep him. Is he a loud farter? And to answer the OP question, no. Edmunds needs to stay at MLB Edited March 13, 2019 by Virgil 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Virgil said: What’s up with Zach Brown. He always grades out highly but no one wants to keep him. Is he a loud farter? And to answer the OP question, no. Edmunds needs to stay at MLB I'd assume that he's a loud farter 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 No. Que the Steelers game in ‘16 for my reason why. 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 It just seems to me that Zach Brown fits the defense McD likes (linebacker's that can cover) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: It just seems to me that Zach Brown fits the defense McD likes (linebacker's that can cover) McD took one look at his game tape from the Steelers game in ‘16 and knew immediately that Zach Brown was not his kind of player. Quitters need not apply. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, anguskeenan said: With Zach released, is this an option? Reviews were mixed on whether Edmonds should remain MLB if we could find a good upgrade and put him in a position to just make plays as opposed to call the D. I am open with it remaining as-is, but Zach's a good ILB. Gotta ask: which reviewers were saying Edmonds should be moved from MLB to OLB? Or whereever these reviews said he should be moved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) You don't spend an entire season coaching the kid up and making him the QB of your defense just to move him to a different spot the following season. I get that a lot of people like to daydream different scenarios for the team, which we hear a lot of (move Glenn to G, now it's move Dawkins to G, slide Edmunds to OLB, Stephen Hauschka for 3-tech!) but things usually stay status quo. And I dunno what's up with Zach Brown. I know after he left the Bills it took him forever to find a team because his contract demands were well above what any team was willing to give him. He's got speed so he can cover, he's a pretty sure tackler, but one trait that stands out about him is that he slowly fades as the season goes on. Starts strong, then kinda disappears by season's end. Maybe that happened in Washington? I know I saw it go down in Buffalo but I guess I understand as the guy was on a one-year deal and the team was out of playoff contention by November. Some guys in those situations will dial it back on the effort to keep from getting injured so they can hopefully land a better deal once the season is over. Edited March 13, 2019 by blacklabel 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 minute ago, blacklabel said: You don't spend an entire season coaching the kid up and making him the QB of your defense just to move him to a different spot the following season. I get that a lot of people like to daydream different scenarios for the team, which we hear a lot of (move Glenn to G, now it's move Dawkins to G, slide Edmunds to OLB, Stephen Hauschka for 3-tech!) but things usually stay status quo. Amen! You saved me a bunch of typing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, Logic said: Amen! You saved me a bunch of typing. Haha, glad to help. And it's not as if they can't install some blitz packages where they line up Edmunds outside and tell him to rush. They started tinkering with that late last season and he showed the ability to get home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, K-9 said: McD took one look at his game tape from the Steelers game in ‘16 and knew immediately that Zach Brown was not his kind of player. Quitters need not apply. You're probably right, that would explain it. He did noticeably fall off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Always liked Zach Brown, just don't know if there's a place for him here. Tackling machine and good cover skills. But most of you know this already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anguskeenan Posted March 13, 2019 Author Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said: Gotta ask: which reviewers were saying Edmonds should be moved from MLB to OLB? Or whereever these reviews said he should be moved? I am not quoting someone specifically. It's more anecdotal - it *seems* many on here believe he should be one or the other. I am fine with him just being on the field as much as possible, regardless of the position. Brown allows the one situation to become an easy reality. Edited March 13, 2019 by anguskeenan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 I’d anything ZB53 would be a OLB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufridr101 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Edge rusher zo Alexander Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 I feel like he must not be a likeable guy. I don't want him back. I don't think they are going to move their hand picked franchise quarterback of their defense so that they can sign Zach Brown, who they discarded once. I think its funny that people want to move Tremaine. If Bob Babich, who helped make Urlacher what he was, believes that Tremaine is a mike, then he's a mike. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anguskeenan Posted March 13, 2019 Author Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 minute ago, MrEpsYtown said: I feel like he must not be a likeable guy. I don't want him back. I don't think they are going to move their hand picked franchise quarterback of their defense so that they can sign Zach Brown, who they discarded once. I think its funny that people want to move Tremaine. If Bob Babich, who helped make Urlacher what he was, believes that Tremaine is a mike, then he's a mike. Was it that, or we just didn't have one on the team when we drafted him. They got rid of preston and got Edmonds. Zach left the year before if I am not mistaken, and must have just figured they'd roll with preston over Zach, maybe for financial reasons, Preston being on his rookie deal still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) I never want to see him in a Bills uniform again. Same with his brother Preston for that matter. They got no heart. Quitters. Edited March 13, 2019 by bmur66 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 I really like Brown. I never would have let him go the last time. And I think Edmunds best spot is WLB. Let him just run and react and not have to think and call the Defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 do we not get he was 20 years old in the NFL? Excuse him for having a few hiccups last year. Leave him right where he is 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 This is not meant to be rude to the OP because I’ve seen it posted by numerous people. They aren’t gonna move Edmunds outside anytime soon. It’s simply a comfort thing. You don’t put that much time into a 20 year old making him comfortable at MLB learning the calls and managing the defense to move him to a new position and make him get comfortable at a different position one year later. I get it he has the body type, the speed and size to blitz etc from the SAM position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFlutie Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 33 minutes ago, blacklabel said: You don't spend an entire season coaching the kid up and making him the QB of your defense just to move him to a different spot the following season. I get that a lot of people like to daydream different scenarios for the team, which we hear a lot of (move Glenn to G, now it's move Dawkins to G, slide Edmunds to OLB, Stephen Hauschka for 3-tech!) but things usually stay status quo. Totally agree here. This reminds me of "move Glenn to G!!" I do think Dawkins is different, though. He's an above average-to-good LT, but he'd be a perennial all pro at G. Glenn showed flashes of elite LT play in his rookie year and continued that trend. It never made sense to make Glenn a G, because he was just as good at LT, and we couldn't have gotten better there. It's the same with Edmunds, to me- he's an elite talent at MLB. It's hard to replace that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anguskeenan Posted March 13, 2019 Author Share Posted March 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said: This is not meant to be rude to the OP because I’ve seen it posted by numerous people. They aren’t gonna move Edmunds outside anytime soon. It’s simply a comfort thing. You don’t put that much time into a 20 year old making him comfortable at MLB learning the calls and managing the defense to move him to a new position and make him get comfortable at a different position one year later. I get it he has the body type, the speed and size to blitz etc from the SAM position. I've never seen anything posted on this board directed toward anyone that would directly offend me, so none taken. I am simply all about putting the best 11 out there and am interested in both sides to this argument. As we can see, in this thread, there are already people taking one side or the other, or at least stating cases for both sides. I think it's at least a possibility that they only played him at MLB because he was our only legit. option there last year after they let Preston walk in FA, and/or that maybe he played there last year just to throw him into the fire and make sure he was on the field learning in some capacity. Imagine knowing the entire defense inside-out and then moving into an easier position with his raw athleticism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiddenInLight Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 This idea is bad and you should feel bad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anguskeenan Posted March 13, 2019 Author Share Posted March 13, 2019 Just now, HiddenInLight said: This idea is bad and you should feel bad. haha, I feel REALLY bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Edmunds needs to stay right where he is and keep growing into the cornerstone of our Defense at MLB. And no thanks to bringing back that quitter and spoiled brat Zach Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan1988 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 We should sign Justin Houston and then wait for the dust to settle and pk up some additional depth players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 I still have nightmares of Zach Brown "playing" in the snow against the Steelers. No thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anguskeenan Posted March 13, 2019 Author Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Mark Vader said: I still have nightmares of Zach Brown "playing" in the snow against the Steelers. No thanks. People keep referencing that game, I must have missed it honestly, because I always liked him the time he was here. I get the sense he "Quit" on Rex? He made the Pro Bowl as an alternate the year he was here, and the Bills offered him a contract to re-sign, which they evidently rescinded eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 53 minutes ago, blacklabel said: You don't spend an entire season coaching the kid up and making him the QB of your defense just to move him to a different spot the following season. I get that a lot of people like to daydream different scenarios for the team, which we hear a lot of (move Glenn to G, now it's move Dawkins to G, slide Edmunds to OLB, Stephen Hauschka for 3-tech!) but things usually stay status quo. And I dunno what's up with Zach Brown. I know after he left the Bills it took him forever to find a team because his contract demands were well above what any team was willing to give him. He's got speed so he can cover, he's a pretty sure tackler, but one trait that stands out about him is that he slowly fades as the season goes on. Starts strong, then kinda disappears by season's end. Maybe that happened in Washington? I know I saw it go down in Buffalo but I guess I understand as the guy was on a one-year deal and the team was out of playoff contention by November. Some guys in those situations will dial it back on the effort to keep from getting injured so they can hopefully land a better deal once the season is over. ....nicely done......and for a 19 year old kid, thought he was pretty darn good as a rook.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Absolutely not. Edmunds was drafted to be the MLB and centerpiece of the defense. If you stick him at OLB or EDGE, you're actually limiting him, IMO. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, anguskeenan said: People keep referencing that game, I must have missed it honestly, because I always liked him the time he was here. I get the sense he "Quit" on Rex? He made the Pro Bowl as an alternate the year he was here, and the Bills offered him a contract to re-sign, which they evidently rescinded eventually. He started off strong the year he was with us, then he faded. I don't know what the disconnect with him is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, anguskeenan said: With Zach released, is this an option? Reviews were mixed on whether Edmonds should remain MLB if we could find a good upgrade and put him in a position to just make plays as opposed to call the D. I am open with it remaining as-is, but Zach's a good ILB. Or just keep Edmonds at MLB and excel amd become elite. Sign Zach as a SLB, moving Lorax to that spot edge rusher Why do Bills fans always want to move their young talent around. Edited March 13, 2019 by MAJBobby 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anguskeenan Posted March 13, 2019 Author Share Posted March 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Or just keep Edmonds at MLB and excel amd become elite. Sign Zach as a SLB, moving Lorax to that spot edge rusher Why do Bills fans always want to move their young talent around. I would be fine with this too as long as he can play that position well. To me it isn’t necessarily about moving Edmonds as much as having them both on the field together. With those two, Milano and Alexander, wouldnt we have one of the best LB groups in the league, or at least close to it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Jeez, we couldn't run both Browns outta here fast enough. Make up your mind, TBD! Jeez, we couldn't run both Browns outta here fast enough. Make up your mind, TBD! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
technobot Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Agree with sign/trade for/draft an edge rusher. Let's see how Edmunds develops this year, hopefully both he and Allen take a big leap. You would hope that Edmunds' floor is as an edge rusher, and that we will see hints of ceiling starting this year. But don't give up yet, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 hour ago, anguskeenan said: Was it that, or we just didn't have one on the team when we drafted him. They got rid of preston and got Edmonds. Zach left the year before if I am not mistaken, and must have just figured they'd roll with preston over Zach, maybe for financial reasons, Preston being on his rookie deal still. Edmunds was hand selected to be the MIKE backer for the next 10-12 years. Z. Brown was talking to McDermott and co about coming back. I believe they offered him a chance to come back and compete and he went to Washington, so they rolled with Humber and Milano at the Will. I don't know why they would circle back to him Zach Brown 2 years later now that he is older to move their franchise guy off the spot they picked him for. Zach Brown has always played inside in a 3-4 in his NFL career, so look for him to wind up in a place like Tampa Bay where they are making a 3-4 switch and have zero linebackers. He's not really a 4-3 mike, and while he could probably be a sam or will, he hasn't really done it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VW82 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 I get the knee jerk reaction of wanting to try Edmunds at different spots given how bad he looked at times last year, but given our fairly competent, defensive minded head coach traded up to select Tre to be the QB of the defense, I think everyone involved owes at least one more year to try and make this work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 hour ago, anguskeenan said: With Zach released, is this an option? Reviews were mixed on whether Edmonds should remain MLB if we could find a good upgrade and put him in a position to just make plays as opposed to call the D. I am open with it remaining as-is, but Zach's a good ILB. He’s a 3-4 ILB. In a 4-3 hes a will, not a Mic, in my view and his career. Bills led can do better, and get someone with some heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 37 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....nicely done......and for a 19 year old kid, thought he was pretty darn good as a rook.............. Thanks! And I agree, I thought he fared pretty well for a kid who never spent much time at MLB. He really picked it up toward the end of the season and I see no reason why that won't carry over to this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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