CaptnCoke11 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) I’ll go with... Ducasse Bodine Ivory clears 6.5ish million on cap Edited March 13, 2019 by CaptnCoke11 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
947 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 I don't think Bodine is gone, he's cheap & a solid backup Center. Morse has had concussions in the past, we need him. Ducasse is a sure goner. Ivory probably cut too. We'll cut at least 1 more OL, but probbaly not until after the draft. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 All 3 of those guys, but probably not before the draft. No point in letting go of veteran experience before you know you've replaced it unless you absolutely need the cap room. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Y. Orangeman Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 I'm guessing Bodine is traded at some point during camp after an injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted March 13, 2019 Author Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 minute ago, 947 said: I don't think Bodine is gone, he's cheap & a solid backup Center. Morse has had concussions in the past, we need him. Ducasse is a sure goner. Ivory probably cut too. We'll cut at least 1 more OL, but probbaly not until after the draft. So if they keep Bodine They can save roughly a little over 4 million in cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: All 3 of those guys, but probably not before the draft. No point in letting go of veteran experience before you know you've replaced it unless you absolutely need the cap room. This is where I am. You can probably add Murphy to that list too if they sign Ansah. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Bodines status will tell us if they envision Spencer Long starting at Guard or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Just now, Kirby Jackson said: This is where I am. You can probably add Murphy to that list too if they sign Ansah. I would probably hang onto Murphy. Aside from having 4 solid pass rushers in 2019, he's their only pass rush threat that's currently under contract for 2020. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) 25 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: I’ll go with... Ducasse Bodine Ivory No money is owed as of now, they may bring them into camp. Edited March 13, 2019 by billsfan_34 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 26 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: I’ll go with... Ducasse Bodine Ivory clears 6.5ish million on cap last years O-Line 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Just now, thebandit27 said: I would probably hang onto Murphy. Aside from having 4 solid pass rushers in 2019, he's their only pass rush threat that's currently under contract for 2020. 1 minute ago, whatdrought said: Bodines status will tell us if they envision Spencer Long starting at Guard or not. 3 year deal for Spencer Long tells us hes our guard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Just now, billsfan_34 said: 3 year deal for Spencer Long tells us hes our guard Nope. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/spencer-long-14488/ He got $1.2M guaranteed, and the team has a club option for the last 2 years of the deal. As a practical matter, they could cut him this year and only have $1.2M in dead money. He's signed for backup interior OL money, which is what I expect him to be...and that's a great thing IMO. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodneykm Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Given how thin the offensive line position seems to be across the league, I think someone who's even just a tick below average ( Bodine ) will keep his job...albeit as a backup. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antonio Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Ducasse´s agent is probably already looking where is Castillo going to coach next. Bodine stays but Boettger will be offered a PS position. Ivory maybe gone, I like what he brought here, some nice playes but Gore is better. Pitts or Lewis are probably on the bubble, but I think they will compete during TC before they get cut. I think we will try to move Lawson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted March 13, 2019 Author Share Posted March 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Nope. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/spencer-long-14488/ He got $1.2M guaranteed, and the team has a club option for the last 2 years of the deal. As a practical matter, they could cut him this year and only have $1.2M in dead money. He's signed for backup interior OL money, which is what I expect him to be...and that's a great thing IMO. I agree they probably had that in mind when they signed him unless he comes in camp and plays really well and gets a guard spot. Win win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Nope. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/spencer-long-14488/ He got $1.2M guaranteed, and the team has a club option for the last 2 years of the deal. As a practical matter, they could cut him this year and only have $1.2M in dead money. He's signed for backup interior OL money, which is what I expect him to be...and that's a great thing IMO. Good point- thanks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Do any players have an option coming due or a guarantee trigger in the next couple days? If the answer to that is NO. Then why cut anyone. we are not in the need for space yet and can keep shopping easily if wanted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 8 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Do any players have an option coming due or a guarantee trigger in the next couple days? If the answer to that is NO. Then why cut anyone. we are not in the need for space yet and can keep shopping easily if wanted. Thats a good point - people we sign/existing players can get injured in camp and we bring 90 anyway. These are the only notable things, and i have no idea when or what triggers it. Bodine - 200k workout bonus Ivory - 250k workout bonus Dimarco - 50k workout bonus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 48 minutes ago, 947 said: I don't think Bodine is gone, he's cheap & a solid backup Center. Morse has had concussions in the past, we need him. Ducasse is a sure goner. Ivory probably cut too. We'll cut at least 1 more OL, but probbaly not until after the draft. Groy and Miller are my top two candidates after Geoff Bodine. Teller and Boettger outplayed them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorp83 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 hour ago, CaptnCoke11 said: I’ll go with... Ducasse Bodine Ivory clears 6.5ish million on cap This & I honestly think if something huge comes across the table... Shady gets traded... don't be mad. But he's in the last year of his deal & they're not talking extension. It's crazy to not think it's in the back of McBeane's mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Is Conor McDermott still on the team so that after hours our coach can look at a uniform with his name on the back & dream he's a player? I can't think of any other reason he's still on the team. 3 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: Groy and Miller are my top two candidates after Geoff Bodine. Teller and Boettger outplayed them. Groy & Miller are already gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Albany,n.y. said: Is Conor McDermott still on the team so that after hours our coach can look at a uniform with his name on the back & dream he's a player? I can't think of any other reason he's still on the team. Groy & Miller are already gone. So I was right! I missed that they were gone, my apologies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Man Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 51 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: This is where I am. You can probably add Murphy to that list too if they sign Ansah. Zero chance they cut Murphy. He is the only DE under contract post this season. Way too risky. Maybe post 2020 free agency, but not this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 12 minutes ago, dneveu said: Thats a good point - people we sign/existing players can get injured in camp and we bring 90 anyway. These are the only notable things, and i have no idea when or what triggers it. Bodine - 200k workout bonus Ivory - 250k workout bonus Dimarco - 50k workout bonus Yeah that is the ONLY reason to cut players now if there is: An option Due A Guaranteed Trigger Due Or team is Cap tight. If one of those three dont exist keep players on you roster. Never know what could happen. IE Maybe Bodine fetches a 4th during the draft as teams miss on centers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 54 minutes ago, nucci said: last years O-Line That's a bingo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 11 minutes ago, klos63 said: That's a bingo! we just say Bingo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 I'm keeping both Bodine and Murphy for depth, regardless of the rest of FA and the draft. Unless we draft a top center or edge and can trade Bodine or Murphy for something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, MAJBobby said: Yeah that is the ONLY reason to cut players now if there is: An option Due A Guaranteed Trigger Due Or team is Cap tight. If one of those three dont exist keep players on you roster. Never know what could happen. IE Maybe Bodine fetches a 4th during the draft as teams miss on centers Agreed - during or after the draft if they have a chance to move an Olineman and have a replacement - I could see a trade, but for now I do not see a reason to move or cut anyone. You have a starting Center in Morse with Bodine and Long to back up. You have multiple guards/tackles to allow you to find the best 5 at their best position and move forward from there and now there is depth and flexibility. Then you have the draft for new young talent to fit in. Edited March 13, 2019 by Rochesterfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 2 hours ago, CaptnCoke11 said: I’ll go with... Ducasse Bodine Ivory clears 6.5ish million on cap Ducasse and Ivory but I wouldn't cut Bodine he was a more than capable C for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Something about this board, fans are always super eager to cut guys. 90% of the time it is complete nonsense--Zay, Bodine, Trent. We still need back ups/rotational guys. You can't just get rid of everyone that doesn't start. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 hour ago, MAJBobby said: Yeah that is the ONLY reason to cut players now if there is: An option Due A Guaranteed Trigger Due Or team is Cap tight. If one of those three dont exist keep players on you roster. Never know what could happen. IE Maybe Bodine fetches a 4th during the draft as teams miss on centers Another reason is you have no plan to keep him on the team & instead of bringing him to camp as a body, you let him go to a team that he has a chance of making. If you treat players like numbers instead of human beings you get a bad reputation among the players which isn't good for free agency. Players talk among themselves all the time & when coaches & GMs start lying to them they spread the word quickly. In the past Donahoe & Whaley got some bad words passed around by Steve Christie & Fred Jackson for playing games with their lives. Yes it's a business, but you can't be screwing your employees and think it won't hurt you somewhere down the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Albany,n.y. said: Another reason is you have no plan to keep him on the team & instead of bringing him to camp as a body, you let him go to a team that he has a chance of making. If you treat players like numbers instead of human beings you get a bad reputation among the players which isn't good for free agency. Players talk among themselves all the time & when coaches & GMs start lying to them they spread the word quickly. In the past Donahoe & Whaley got some bad words passed around by Steve Christie & Fred Jackson for playing games with their lives. Yes it's a business, but you can't be screwing your employees and think it won't hurt you somewhere down the line. That is what the cuts like Clay are for. Bodine, et al at this point can outplay other depth and hence stick. There is really only ONE OL contract that is a starting contract and that is Morse. the other contracts are competition contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 No one gets cut yet because they wont have to. IIRC, rosters expand in the offseason so there shouldn't be a need to cut someone to fit these guys in. Unless they want to give someone the chance to sign on elsewhere, or already know they have no chance to make the team, theres jo reason to get rid of anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Pretty much all last year's o-line should take care of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 3 hours ago, RyanC883 said: I'm keeping both Bodine and Murphy for depth, regardless of the rest of FA and the draft. Unless we draft a top center or edge and can trade Bodine or Murphy for something. They will add a PR before the summer and I don't see Lawson ending up that deep in depth,this is the last yr of his contract,so he'll be hungry, I see Murphy as the odd man out..jmo...not sure about cap savings on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 I didn't even realize Ducasse was still on the team. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Everybody that sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardb1952 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Really no reason to cut ducasse or Bodine at this time. Neither present much dead cap money so let training camp sort it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuco Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 4 hours ago, MAJBobby said: Do any players have an option coming due or a guarantee trigger in the next couple days? If the answer to that is NO. Then why cut anyone. we are not in the need for space yet and can keep shopping easily if wanted. Year Date Player Team Trigger Base Salary Roster Bonus 2019 March 17 Micah Hyde Bills $500,000 roster bonus is due $3,950,000 $500,000 2019 March 17 Jordan Poyer Bills $150,000 roster bonus is due $2,950,000 $150,000 2019 March 17 Stephen Hauschka Bills $250,000 roster bonus is due $2,000,000 $250,000 2019 March 17 Star Lotulelei Bills $5.15 million of base salary becomes guaranteed $7,150,000 $1,000,000 2019 March 17 Star Lotulelei Bills $1M roster bonus due $7,150,000 $1,000,000 2019 March 17 Trent Murphy Bills $2.5M of base salary becomes guaranteed $5,800,000 $500,000 2019 March 17 Trent Murphy Bills $500,000 5th day of league year roster bonus due $5,800,000 $500,000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Tuco said: Year Date Player Team Trigger Base Salary Roster Bonus 2019 March 17 Micah Hyde Bills $500,000 roster bonus is due $3,950,000 $500,000 2019 March 17 Jordan Poyer Bills $150,000 roster bonus is due $2,950,000 $150,000 2019 March 17 Stephen Hauschka Bills $250,000 roster bonus is due $2,000,000 $250,000 2019 March 17 Star Lotulelei Bills $5.15 million of base salary becomes guaranteed $7,150,000 $1,000,000 2019 March 17 Star Lotulelei Bills $1M roster bonus due $7,150,000 $1,000,000 2019 March 17 Trent Murphy Bills $2.5M of base salary becomes guaranteed $5,800,000 $500,000 2019 March 17 Trent Murphy Bills $500,000 5th day of league year roster bonus due $5,800,000 $500,000 So based on that I dont see any need cuts. However Trent Murphy is interesting if another DE is signed or traded for would save 5.2M Edited March 13, 2019 by MAJBobby 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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