whatdrought Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Just now, aristocrat said: Swap firsts. Done If the Hawks really did want to move him (believing they can't get a deal done) that wouldn't be a horrible trade for them. Probably have to sweeten it with a third next year though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 (edited) 36 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Do you really give up high picks for defensive players? How often does that happen. Maybe you've heard of a guy by the name of Kalil Mack. Eh, never mind . Someone beat me to it. Edited March 8, 2019 by billsbackto81 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 6 minutes ago, ctk232 said: That would be a line to be absolutely thrilled about for at least the next 5 years - but I'm not sure we get Clark without potentially also giving up our 9th Not a chance it would cost 9th overall, a swap of 1sts yes but not the 9th overall imo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 I love Frank Clark. That dude can ball. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Just now, BuffaloBillsGospel said: Not a chance it would cost 9th overall, a swap of 1sts yes but not the 9th overall imo. Well a swap is what I would imagine - but that would put us at 21 if it's a true 2019 swap. Not a bad place to be all said and done considering I'm more inclined to favor a trade down scenario from 9, but if you're looking for DL at 21 not sure Ferrell or Sweat are there, more likely Sweat if at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 (edited) Only for the right price, but he'd be a definite upgrade over Murphy and Shaq. I was hoping he'd shake loose last year. Why not offer them Trent Murphy and a 3rd? That probably wouldn't do it, but that's as far as I'd go. Edited March 8, 2019 by GreggTX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
End The Drought Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 1 hour ago, BuffaloRebound said: Well, Beane showed he’s willing to trade down from 9. So maybe swap 1sts and Hughes or Lawson? Absolutely not on trading Hughes. That would completely defeat the purpose. Pairing both of them together would be a lethal pass rush combo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 (edited) 22 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: The question is....what would you give for him? I'd give a 2nd this year and a 4th next year. Put him across from Jerry and he goes 13+ on sacks.... Edited March 8, 2019 by LABILLBACKER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 1 hour ago, The Senator said: Isn’t 2 firsts? . If you sign him, yes. If they trade him, it can be whatever the teams agree to. But to trade him, he has to sign the franchise tag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSbSoon Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 1 hour ago, whatdrought said: I do expect the bills to make a big splash trade in the next couple days... It feels that way. I feel it coming too. I think right or wrong, beane will try to make up for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 20 minutes ago, End The Drought said: Absolutely not on trading Hughes. That would completely defeat the purpose. Pairing both of them together would be a lethal pass rush combo Clark is a top pass rusher in the league and young. Hughes is getting old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 1 minute ago, cle23 said: Clark is a top pass rusher in the league and young. Hughes is getting old. He is still good.....and if you trade Hughes then you have the same issue as in past where we dont have TWO good pass rushers and one of them gets doubled 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 1 minute ago, cle23 said: Clark is a top pass rusher in the league and young. Hughes is getting old. Clark is more productive, but the argument could be made that a 1 for 1 trade is stagnant, not forward progress. I would prefer to have Hughes and Clark together! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Clark is more productive, but the argument could be made that a 1 for 1 trade is stagnant, not forward progress. I would prefer to have Hughes and Clark together! Agreed. Just saying if it was an trade of players +pick, it still might be worth it. Clark is very good and ascending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Teddy KGB said: We FN traded 2 1st round picks for Sammy Watkins when we could’ve just drafted hometown guy. Way to go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 I have "interest" in Rachel Bush. Not gonna do me any more good than the Bills having "interest" in Frank Clark, I'm afraid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: Do you really give up high picks for defensive players? How often does that happen. McD has used 2 first round picks on defense in 2 drafts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Just now, BillsVet said: McD has used 2 first round picks on defense in 2 drafts. Im not talking about drafts.....I mean for veteran players For some reason offense always seems to cost more then defense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSB2020 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Considering the Seahawks hold the 21'st pick and Clark is a BEAST at the most important defensive position, I'm in for a 1st round swap. Pass rushers are premium and we've got to add one. Allocate all other resources to offense, but we gotta solidify the D with a top flight young pass rusher. 48 minutes ago, ctk232 said: Well a swap is what I would imagine - but that would put us at 21 if it's a true 2019 swap. Not a bad place to be all said and done considering I'm more inclined to favor a trade down scenario from 9, but if you're looking for DL at 21 not sure Ferrell or Sweat are there, more likely Sweat if at all. But if we were to acquire Clark, DL isn't a priority anymore. We'd still have a great shot at landing Hock or one of the many receivers behind Metcalf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: Do you really give up high picks for defensive players? How often does that happen. It's not as common, but pass rushers typically garner first rounders. Kevin Carter Jared Allen John Abraham Richard Seymour Mack (two firsts) Revis was traded for a first, I know hes not a pass rusher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 (edited) I’m starting to wonder how much “win now” pressure is on at OBD. I think the draft and develop approach is best but with the rumors flying around it seems the timeline is more now than later. I don’t care if Beane and McD win 3 games this season. Let them have 2020 at a minimum. Edited March 9, 2019 by CommonCents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, BillsSB2020 said: But if we were to acquire Clark, DL isn't a priority anymore. We'd still have a great shot at landing Hock or one of the many receivers behind Metcalf. For sure - I'm not saying I would spend the 21st on a DL pick - that was more in response to the hypothetical situation being discussed. But I would very much consider our BPA of what OL/WR are on the board at 21. Still not as up on TE in the 1st as many others here, but I would rather be sitting at 21 w/ Clark if we can. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSB2020 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 1 minute ago, ctk232 said: For sure - I'm not saying I would spend the 21st on a DL pick - that was more in response to the hypothetical situation being discussed. But I would very much consider our BPA of what OL/WR are on the board at 21. Still not as up on TE in the 1st as many others here, but I would rather be sitting at 21 w/ Clark if we can. For sure. Perhaps I misunderstood your initial point. Clark is a proven commodity and is just 25 years old. Fills a major need so we can really focus on offense. There would be a ton of guys that fit our needs and would be very close to BPA at 21 that are not worthy of the 9th pick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 2 hours ago, DCbillsfan said: Yes, he was tagged. I wonder if Seattle tagged him in order to "buy" some time to trade him. They want to work out a LTD with him. He’s open to playing under the tag as well. Sadly, he’s going nowhere. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 19 minutes ago, CommonCents said: I’m starting to wonder how much “win now” pressure is on at OBD. I think the draft and develop approach is best but with the rumors flying around it seems the timeline is more now than later. I don’t care if Beane and McD win 3 games this season. Let them have 2020 at a minimum. Not only that, but they seem to have put character concerns in the rear view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 1 hour ago, End The Drought said: Absolutely not on trading Hughes. That would completely defeat the purpose. Pairing both of them together would be a lethal pass rush combo a yep surely would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Is there even anything out there saying the Seahawks even are interested in trading him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 7 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: Is there even anything out there saying the Seahawks even are interested in trading him? This would be a good starting point! My first thought was: WHY would they? Especially at a “fair” price? Maybe I’m missing something.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 50 minutes ago, Logic said: I have "interest" in Rachel Bush. Not gonna do me any more good than the Bills having "interest" in Frank Clark, I'm afraid. Don’t get down on yourself! I heard in the break room today she kind of has a thing for you too. You never know.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 41 minutes ago, BillsSB2020 said: For sure. Perhaps I misunderstood your initial point. Clark is a proven commodity and is just 25 years old. Fills a major need so we can really focus on offense. There would be a ton of guys that fit our needs and would be very close to BPA at 21 that are not worthy of the 9th pick. What would get me rull excited is if this goes down, we keep our second round, we're sitting at 21 w/ Clark and our second - I wouldn't put it past Beane to package our late round picks to move up again into the 2nd or 3rd with an added pick, and all the options that would provide us...things my brain does before 3/13 and while reading this board 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSB2020 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Just now, ctk232 said: What would get me rull excited is if this goes down, we keep our second round, we're sitting at 21 w/ Clark and our second - I wouldn't put it past Beane to package our late round picks to move up again into the 2nd or 3rd with an added pick, and all the options that would provide us...things my brain does before 3/13 and while reading this board I feel like based on what I'm reading, this is a pipedream. It's the offseason though, so all we can do is speculate! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Yes sir! If nothing else, Beane and McDermott know how to build a defense. A swap of picks and a mid rounder should do it, being the Bills will have to pony up on a monster deal, to boot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Haven’t had a chance to read about this yet, but would be a great acquisition if they can swing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 2 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Is Clarke going to be Mack? I didnt say it NEVER happens.....just that it is rare. Mack wreaked havoc this year, for sure, but Clarke logged 1 more sack than him (13.5). 25 years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Chicken Boo said: Mack wreaked havoc this year, for sure, but Clarke logged 1 more sack than him (13.5). 25 years old. Def not against it just not 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Chicken Boo said: Mack wreaked havoc this year, for sure, but Clarke logged 1 more sack than him (13.5). 25 years old. The value of a sack and those who produce them can't be overstated in today's NFL. The following is from settingedge.com on June 14, 2017; "939 out of 1,118 sacks (83.99%) last year resulted in a drive being killed. Conversely, just 179 out of 1,118 sacks (16.01%) resulted in the offense being able to bounce back and sustain their drive, even if just for one more set of downs. The difference is staggering. Defenses are almost 70% more likely to kill a drive after getting a sack than they are to surrender another set of downs. At first glance, the old adage that sacks kill drives holds true." http://settingedge.com/sackskilldrives If we can get Clark who has had 32 sacks in his last three seasons including 13 last year, we need to grab him. He's only 25 years old. We have a lot of cap space. It would be a coup to grab him from Seattle who it looks like simply can't afford to keep him. Edited March 9, 2019 by Inigo Montoya 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Logic Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 I'm all for getting a dope edge rusher.... But isn't Frank Clark a low character turd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 11 minutes ago, Logic said: I'm all for getting a dope edge rusher.... But isn't Frank Clark a low character turd? He is a dope alright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 What is the price for Frank Clark? A 3rd and Shaq Lawson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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