MAJBobby Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Just now, Captain Murica said: Bingo, as well as Cinci and Atlanta. Yep don't take one swing and say well Shucks. if you really want that NO 1 WR (clearly attitude isn't a factor) then get on the phone with Giants, Atl, Cincy, and teams that have a premier No 1 to see what the trade value looks like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Augie said: Well, then, let him retire. Would he rather go to Gruden in Oakland? Washington? He’s leaving one of the top options because they behave like children. That's the thing. Oakland and D.C. are crappy cities. I don't understand all of the hate. Edited March 8, 2019 by MrEpsYtown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin in Va Beach Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Don't care who called it off, we dodged a bullet. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, GG said: For the same offer, swap of 1st & 2nd? Sign me up The Bills were essentially getting AB for a 2nd and a 3rd in the deal. OBJ is much younger and will cost a lot more pick wise. I think the ship has sailed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 14 minutes ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said: Colts are the most viable option with the best quarterback option for AB now then right? The others are cap strung or named the Packers or Steelers Colts would be but they seem more in on Bell and being in the middle of Indiana probably doesn’t appeal to Brown seems AB wants to control where he is traded and on what terms I think it’s basically the Raiders and that’s it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 22 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said: I'm not a beane fan, but from.what I've heard he has done his job well. Tried to add an elite player at a good rate, it didnt work out. The only issue is how it leaked out. I don't think that's his fault. It's definitely rosenhaus and brown. And if it went down as bad as it might have with the way it was leaked, then teams are going to take that into consideration when entering negotiations. I am a Beane fan for some of the same reasons. He knows what he is willing to pay and he sticks by that. He doesn't let emotions carry him away in the middle of negotiations. And as others have said, it's a good sign that McD were willing to take on a possible problem guy. It means they like how they have the Tam set up and they aren't afraid of the challenge. They also were willing to pay a big price or they wouldn't have been in serious negotiations. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 6 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: I would love to see how the Message Board tough guys would react if their wives stepped out on them and then they had to go to work with them every day. I guess this is meant for me, but my point is simply, if that did happen to me, my boss would not give a rat's ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Just now, ScottLaw said: OBJ is arguably WORSE than Brown in terms of personality. Talk about a me first player. The guys a ***** douche. Julio should be their target. haha I agree with that assessment. Worse than Brown. I still want talent though, I'd take em Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 10 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said: Maybe that was McBeane's goal heading into free agency. The AB pursuit is different than simply addressing holes on the roster. It represents a dramatic change from the type of player/person they have stated they wanted to bring onto the team. Paying big bucks for a good offensive lineman is far different than pursuing a player who walked out on his team and who publicly feuded with his qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BmarvB Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 The deal didn't go through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 6 minutes ago, iinii said: So Bryan Cox was right? Refresh my memory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Just now, 78thealltimegreat said: Colts would be but they seem more in on Bell and being in the middle of Indiana probably doesn’t appeal to Brown seems AB wants to control where he is traded and on what terms I think it’s basically the Raiders and that’s it Yep I heard Raiders most likely, Colts ideally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 I was pretty surprised to see those reports last night. AB really doesn't fit the character prototype that McBeane favors. He's a "me me me" guy while they're building a team full of team-first/play for each other kinda guys. AB's attitude would probably be a distraction and on top of that, he's 31 and wants a new monster deal. From what I gather, he's basically stamping his feet like a toddler anytime a team that he doesn't wanna go to is mentioned. I've heard the reason the Buffalo deal fell through is because they couldn't get a guarantee from AB that he'd actually show up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: I guess this is meant for me, but my point is simply, if that did happen to me, my boss would not give a rat's ass. Does you boss also consistently preach a message of "family" and "culture?" Also, where do you work???? If I even alluded to my boss that because of a serious personal disagreement with someone I couldn't work with them, that person wouldn't get hired. And, for what its worth, that wasn't as much meant for you as some of the others. Edited March 8, 2019 by JoshAllenHasBigHands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 8 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: The Giants reportedly want two firsts... Yeah well what they want and what they can get are two different things. That shouldn't stop from the call and the negotiations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wsam4031 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 10 hours ago, HappyDays said: Maybe the Poyer thing was BS? I heard them mention Poyer this morning too. What was the deal with him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 5 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: That's the thing. Oakland and D.C. are crappy cities. I don't understand all of the hate. Is it About the City. Or is it about the Market and Brand. He comes from 150ish TGTs offense too what will he get in Buffalo based on historical 60-90. WHY would ANY WR want that? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vertig0 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 While I agree with the "target Julio or AJ Green" comments, I think the price is going to be too high. With AB you were looking at limited suitors because of his previous actions. It was known that Pitt wanted him gone and there was limited offers on attempting to get him (allegedly). I think that's the only reason we even tried - kick the tires, get a great talent for not a lot of return due to the ego issues. With AJ and Julio, there's no "need" or "rush" to trade them by their teams. As a result, the price will likely be far higher. Just my opinion... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 25 minutes ago, Chemical said: 15 tds last year. We had 13 passing TDs. Josh Allen had 10 rushing TDs last year. Ben had 16. His entire career. Tomorrow we'll compare refrigerators to sponge mops! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Moderators: Please close, not merge, this unnecessary, idiotic thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Yeah well what they want and what they can get are two different things. That shouldn't stop from the call and the negotiations I would start my offer at 2 2nds. Might go as high as a 2 this year and a 1 next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Just now, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Does you boss also consistently preach a message of "family" and "culture?" Also, where do you work???? If I even alluded to my boss that because of a serious personal disagreement with someone I couldn't work with them, that person wouldn't get hired. Yep. I'm a teacher. We preach empathy and family, and team and all that jazz. But whatever is happening in my personal life is not considered to be any part of my professional life. I hear what you are saying, I'm just saying that the world doesn't care about people's personal problems any more. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Hix Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 29 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: It means we're close and they think we have the infrastructure to handle a guy like Antonio Brown who's Top 2 at his position. I disagree with them here but we've learned something about Beane/McDermott we didn't know before last night. I suppose OBD could justify the trade attempt in this way, but it doesn’t ring true to me. AB would have been the biggest star and highest paid player on the team and is the opposite of what we’ve been sold for two years. You raise an interesting point about learning more about McBeane, I wonder if the players on the team are taking a second look at them and their culture philosophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: I don't think you give that for a player they must trade. You shouldn't be offering more than a 3rd round pick. It just goes to show Beane is in over his head. He may be in over his head anyway, that's hardly been established one way or the other. Last season's ventures in free-agency were hardly an encouraging sign however. Right now McBeane's tenures in Buffalo are directly tied to Allen's progress as a passer. This Draft will help sort out how good Beane is. As of now the team today is worse than the team as it was when they took over. After three seasons of making moves, even if the first was merely a semi-house-cleaning (because it was hardly a major house-cleaning) after two additional offseasons of choice, progress should be made. Either way, the offensive cupboard is very bare. Allen's cemented in as the starter for the foreseeable future, but if he fails then so does McBeane. Otherwise, there's not one single spot in the other 11 starting spots that is presently manned by anyone of above-average caliber play on a consistent basis. That's a helluva lot of work to do to render the team competitive. Defensively we are about to find out that the D was overrated. .... hear me out. Sure we were ranked 2nd in yardage D, but in scoring D we ranked 18th, same as last year, but having allowed a full point-per-game more. Here's the thing, we were ranked 30th in red zone D and worse than we've ranked in red zone D going back at least 16 seasons thru which the data is available. So the question is how do we reconcile our top-ranked yardage D against a below-average scoring D and near DFL red zone D. Here's a part of the reason why; we were ranked DFL in opponent starting field position, ergo, shorter drives required for our opponents to score, but score they did once in the red zone, more so than against 29 other teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: I am a Beane fan for some of the same reasons. He knows what he is willing to pay and he sticks by that. He doesn't let emotions carry him away in the middle of negotiations. And as others have said, it's a good sign that McD were willing to take on a possible problem guy. It means they like how they have the Tam set up and they aren't afraid of the challenge. They also were willing to pay a big price or they wouldn't have been in serious negotiations. I think it might show how shrewd they can be. My problems have been with them that they run out talent, or count it out because of character nonsense. I think someone is going to get AB at a good rate in terms of what they give up, salary and cap wise, I don't know. It is good to see them look to get a guy with such a high upside though even amidst all his crap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 You want PROOF that the Bills are a great team to play for and that Buffalo is a great place? Guys like Eric Wood, Kyle Williams, Lorenzo Alexander, Russ Tucker and many more talk about how it was their favorite stop, best memories, etc. And the teams those guys were on went 6-10 just about every year. They never even got to experience what it would be like here if the Bills ever get legitimately good again. Imagine actually WINNING here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSB2020 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 7 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: I am a Beane fan for some of the same reasons. He knows what he is willing to pay and he sticks by that. He doesn't let emotions carry him away in the middle of negotiations. And as others have said, it's a good sign that McD were willing to take on a possible problem guy. It means they like how they have the Tam set up and they aren't afraid of the challenge. They also were willing to pay a big price or they wouldn't have been in serious negotiations. Yep. Unfortunately, we are at a disadvantage in terms of acquiring players. Sad but true. I'm impressed that Beane was willing to go out on a limb and take a shot on a less than perfect human for the betterment of the team. It's unfortunate that it didn't come to fruition, but very happy with Beane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Just now, TheFunPolice said: You want PROOF that the Bills are a great team to play for and that Buffalo is a great place? Guys like Eric Wood, Kyle Williams, Lorenzo Alexander, Russ Tucker and many more talk about how it was their favorite stop, best memories, etc. And the teams those guys were on went 6-10 just about every year. They never even got to experience what it would be like here if the Bills ever get legitimately good again. Imagine actually WINNING here! I notice there is no WRs in your list? No guys really wanting to build a brand on your list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, Vertig0 said: While I agree with the "target Julio or AJ Green" comments, I think the price is going to be too high. With AB you were looking at limited suitors because of his previous actions. It was known that Pitt wanted him gone and there was limited offers on attempting to get him (allegedly). I think that's the only reason we even tried - kick the tires, get a great talent for not a lot of return due to the ego issues. With AJ and Julio, there's no "need" or "rush" to trade them by their teams. As a result, the price will likely be far higher. Just my opinion... I think you're spot on. The market for ab is completely different those guys have shown little in terms of disputes with their teams 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 1 minute ago, MrEpsYtown said: Yep. I'm a teacher. We preach empathy and family, and team and all that jazz. But whatever is happening in my personal life is not considered to be any part of my professional life. I hear what you are saying, I'm just saying that the world doesn't care about people's personal problems any more. My wife is a teacher (at a charter school though) and has definitely influenced hiring. Not quite by saying I wouldn't work with so and so, but she told her boss a candidate would not be a good fit, and that person didn't get hired. I think you would be surprised. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 44 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Because I'm a TEAM guy, not a union/players guy. I root for the Bills, not for the individual players. When you give players the control, it destroys a league. Again, see: NBA. I'm with you on rooting for the Bills, but the NBA is in absolutely fantastic shape. And contrary to belief, there are more competitive and relevant NBA teams than there have been in years. Poor example maybe based on a couple moves that happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 1 minute ago, 34-78-83 said: I'm with you on rooting for the Bills, but the NBA is in absolutely fantastic shape. And contrary to belief, there are more competitive and relevant NBA teams than there have been in years. Poor example maybe based on a couple moves that happened? Really? Who's winning the title this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 48 minutes ago, Bills2ref said: Expensive? This area isn’t even close to expensive. You can buy a decent home here for 100k, a beautiful one for 350k and a literal mansion for a million (see Brandon Beane’s house). Sure, if you really hunt you can find select markets that are cheaper in the US. The vast majority of US real estate markets are far higher than the Buffalo area. Home prices are lower but the property tax is the highest in the country. That is a real cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 1 hour ago, eball said: I'll stick with the process. yet making a serious attempt to acquire AB was part of said process ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, 34-78-83 said: I'm with you on rooting for the Bills, but the NBA is in absolutely fantastic shape. And contrary to belief, there are more competitive and relevant NBA teams than there have been in years. Poor example maybe based on a couple moves that happened? I gave up, the guy doesn't know what he's talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said: Really? Who's winning the title this year? LA! They have LeBron, baby! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 If the Bills had an offense in the same ballpark of KC, Rams, Colts, Tampa, Philly high volume throwing offenses AB would be having a press conference here at the start of the league year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 19 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Really? The just did last year in Minny. Now ANY QB should start at the Cousins (total guaranteed contract). Next step for high profile agents and players should be. Yep I will sign for 5 years at 20% of the cap Per year. tie the contract to the CAP and take advantage of that yearly cap growth IIRC, Sterling Sharpe was the last player to have a real escalator contract. However it wasn’t directly tied to the cap. It was a 5 or 6 year deal that guaranteed that he would be the highest paid WR (by $1) every season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, HeHateMe said: Home prices are lower but the property tax is the highest in the country. That is a real cost. Try NJ. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Really? Who's winning the title this year? Golden state will win it, but your point of complaining about guaranteed contracts or revenue splits have nothing to do with why the NFL will never be the NBA. Just now, MAJBobby said: If the Bills had an offense in the same ballpark of KC, Rams, Colts, Tampa, Philly high volume throwing offenses AB would be having a press conference here at the start of the league year Your posts are so right, and so depressing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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