stony Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 8 minutes ago, whatdrought said: That's what I'm saying. If the owners are smart they want him gone to avoid the scenario I outlined. (unless he has a bunch of dirt on them which wouldn't surprise me at all) No I'm not... You didn't read what I said. I'm asking the question of "do the other owners think that going easy on this leads to an open season on NFL owners." I am also sure they have a ton of skelatons which is the exact reason they don't want to come across weak on this because they don't want people looking. Correct. But I don't think the public is outraged. Right or wrong, if Kraft is proven to have no knowledge of a sex trafficking ring, this will be forgiven and forgotten. 90% of Boston is probably willing to provide an alibi contradicting his whereabouts the day of the sting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 23, 2019 Author Share Posted February 23, 2019 This guy is a complete clown but is pretty funny if you have an irreverent sense of humor (like me) haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: Money may buy discretion for a while, but it's never guaranteed forever. How many other rich and famous people have had things leak or come out against them involving hookers or incidents with say, adult film stars? That doesn't change the fact that he went to a place with no discretion... 1 minute ago, stony said: Correct. But I don't think the public is outraged. Right or wrong, if Kraft is proven to have no knowledge of a sex trafficking ring, this will be forgiven and forgotten. 90% of Boston is probably willing to provide an alibi contradicting his whereabouts the day of the sting. And the rest of the country hates the Patriots. I really don't know which way it will go, but I'd be surprised if it just went away. Robert Kraft will be done (my complete opinion) but it'll be interesting to see if the Kraft name is done as well or if his son can take over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 23, 2019 Author Share Posted February 23, 2019 1 minute ago, whatdrought said: That doesn't change the fact that he went to a place with no discretion... And the rest of the country hates the Patriots. I really don't know which way it will go, but I'd be surprised if it just went away. Robert Kraft will be done (my complete opinion) but it'll be interesting to see if the Kraft name is done as well or if his son can take over. He’s 77... so I think his son will take over and he will fade into Bolivia (*Mike Tyson voice*) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSB2020 Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 16 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: I know that this is not a political board so it will keep it very brief. Kraft being a one time donor to Trump means the media will bite into this like a tick bites into a dog or cat. Kraft is way down the celeb headline stuff on MSM behind R Kelly and Smollett, so this isn't the case at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 (edited) yea..and Bill Clinton didn't inhale. I suppose this douche thought Hernandez was framed too. Edited February 23, 2019 by Azucho98 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: This guy is a complete clown but is pretty funny if you have an irreverent sense of humor (like me) haha ‘Evabody funny. Now you funny too’. (I know it’s ‘everybody’. George says it ? way.) Edited February 23, 2019 by Ridgewaycynic2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 9 minutes ago, stony said: Correct. But I don't think the public is outraged. Right or wrong, if Kraft is proven to have no knowledge of a sex trafficking ring, this will be forgiven and forgotten. 90% of Boston is probably willing to provide an alibi contradicting his whereabouts the day of the sting. I don’t think public outrage is the biggest problem; it’s the public humiliation ... he’s now a laughing stock and probably always will be, no matter how this plays out in court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, BillsSB2020 said: Kraft is way down the celeb headline stuff on MSM behind R Kelly and Smollett, so this isn't the case at this point. There is a Kraft thread over on PPP if you want to look at any political angle. That aside the news is a little over 24 hours old so not enough time for the media to organize a plan unlike Smollett whose problem is over a week old now. 22 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: Money may buy discretion for a while, but it's never guaranteed forever. How many other rich and famous people have had things leak or come out against them involving hookers or incidents with say, adult film stars? When you play with fire you get burned. Most billionaires don't play with loose cannon sex partners. It's understood the hooker is paid well and also to keep her mouth shut. That aside most hookers know that rich guys did not get to where they are by playing by the rules. Most hookers don't want to wind up dead because of a failed power play. Edited February 23, 2019 by RochesterRob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 15 hours ago, the skycap said: He was only trying to get his balls inflated!! worthy of a rimshot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: That’s the question I have. Why did he go there? Not just once, but again - after seeing/experiencing what it reportedly was? To say he just wanted to get a quickie doesn’t make sense to me considering he could do that in complete private anytime with a high end hooker. I just can’t fathom why he would go there. People in that strata only go to places like that when its been vouched for by other high profile friends. Which is going to be the biggest question / revelation about this whole ordeal. Who financed it. Who owns it. Why/How do they cater to such an elite class? Human trafficking is a scourge in this country, one which many many in the "elite" circles profit from or exploit. I've spent the past few years working with victims - it changes you once you understand the omnipresence of the issue - and who, largely, is behind keeping it running and profitable. The people we are told to trust the most are the ones with the most skeletons in their closets. Sometimes that's just a metaphor, in cases like this it's literal. The darkness is real. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 10 minutes ago, mannc said: I don’t think public outrage is the biggest problem; it’s the public humiliation ... he’s now a laughing stock and probably always will be, no matter how this plays out in court. This guy makes Eliot Spitzer look like a class act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSB2020 Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: There is a Kraft thread over on PPP if you want to look at any political angle. That aside the news is a little over 24 hours old so not enough time for the media to organize a plan unlike Smollett whose problem is over a week old now. The MSM has no qualms about "jumping the gun." Kraft would have been big time news if anyone cared IMO. Edited February 23, 2019 by BillsSB2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 55 minutes ago, sodbuster said: The following is totally just me spitballing, but the large contribution to that human trafficking charity really makes me wonder. My mind has led me to three conclusions. 1. Like most other uberwealthy people, he has other people making the decisions about where his charitable contributions go. This is probably the simplest, most likely explaination, especially if you want to believe that he had no idea about the potential status of the women servicing him. 2. He got pinched once before, but whoever caught him swept it under the rug, and made him do something for victims of the crime he was committing. 3. He felt guilty about his hobby and thought that maybe throwing money at that cause would help balance out his bad karma. The last two make the most sense if he knew what was happening (or at least what commonly is happening) at a place like that. A lot of "human trafficking" charities are not actually interested in stopping trafficking. Look at the McCain institute and its supporters as an example. Or the Clinton Foundation. 36 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: How did he not know this place was involved with sex trafficking (as reported) IF (as you guessed) he knew the owner? He knew. Thats why he went. 31 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: THIS. He can have them come to him with ultimate discretion through payment and non disclosures. It makes no sense for him (or anyone with his notoriety or money) to visit a place like this. What am I missing Respectfully what I suggest you're missing is that this is common place within certain circles. Encouraged even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: This guy makes Eliot Spitzer look like a class act. In Kraft’s case, the humiliation factor is magnified by the fact that everyone outside of New England despises the Patriots to begin with... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 16 hours ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said: Barstool sports is sports humor satire Lots of TSW members now looking up the meaning of this word "satire". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 3 hours ago, BarleyNY said: I was totally expecting some quality satire, but that was either really poorly executed satire or he was serious. I honestly could not tell which. Yeah, aside from PMT, I think the satire at Barstool falls short of the mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Tatonka68 said: MSM is ALL propaganda. They ALL receive their 4am news drop for their talking points from the CIA. Ask your self why do all news media ALWAYS follow the EXACT same talking points. Do you ever hear about the French protests? Wonder why ten of thousands are protesting their liberal government EVERY Saturday. Do you hear that Trump has been cleared of Collusion, that stock market is up, unemployment is dropping? NOPE.. MSM......Methylsulfonylmethane is an organosulfur compound with the formula (CH₃)₂SO₂. It is also known by several other names including methyl sulfone and dimethyl sulfone. This colorless solid features the sulfonyl functional group and is considered relatively inert chemically 3 hours ago, Tatonka68 said: MSM is not news but liberal propaganda. FAKE NEWS. Carlson is one of the few that speak the truth. Dont drive too far. You could fall off the earth. Edited February 23, 2019 by nedboy7 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 Now THIS is entertainment! And you don't get chauffeured in your limo, drive past a place like this, and just jump out and get busy: you pick a place where the girls/women are disease-free and that what happens there stays there. Which means asking a lot of questions and getting assurances. This plus the fact that he donated to anti-sex-trafficking charities (probably as a cover) makes the "I didn't know" defense worthless. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 https://www.foxnews.com/us/wall-street-billionaire-ex-citigroup-president-caught-up-in-prostitution-sting-that-ensnared-robert-kraft?fbclid=IwAR39cALDh_eHZ8vRZ3IlfhgOTN7EODBZzlwnFIlHhASne1kvz_duRVB5qzM More big names being released. None that I know, but definitely some big time people. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 These guys are billionaires. Of course they can pay for discretion etc etc for these kinds of services. Being that rich though must bring some cockiness and feeling untouchable in some areas. I have to agree if this is some sort of trafficking type deal it’s a feature not an accident. That being said there’s enough power and money behind this to make it all go away and disappear. I would be shocked if much more came of this. I expect there’s teams upon teams of powerful people working on covering this up and changing the storylines to spin it. In no way would I ever believe in this day and age money and power especially in this country solves this issue for the accused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 23, 2019 Author Share Posted February 23, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, whatdrought said: https://www.foxnews.com/us/wall-street-billionaire-ex-citigroup-president-caught-up-in-prostitution-sting-that-ensnared-robert-kraft?fbclid=IwAR39cALDh_eHZ8vRZ3IlfhgOTN7EODBZzlwnFIlHhASne1kvz_duRVB5qzM More big names being released. None that I know, but definitely some big time people. Wow. Lots of super rich, prominent people attending this seedy place. Nothing to see here, of course. Edited February 23, 2019 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: These guys are billionaires. Of course they can pay for discretion etc etc for these kinds of services. Being that rich though must bring some cockiness and feeling untouchable in some areas. I have to agree if this is some sort of trafficking type deal it’s a feature not an accident. That being said there’s enough power and money behind this to make it all go away and disappear. Too late. No matter what happens in court, Kraft’s life will never be the same...he will forever be a punchline—the pathetic rich old man who had to go to a scuzzy massage parlor to get laid. 3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Wow. Lots of super rich, prominent people attending this seedy place. Nothing to see here, of course. That’s no accident...this place was run by friends of friends... Edited February 23, 2019 by mannc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: THIS. He can have them come to him with ultimate discretion through payment and non disclosures. It makes no sense for him (or anyone with his notoriety or money) to visit a place like this. What am I missing ...and while we’re at it, what the heck were Thurston Howell III and his wife doing on a three hour tour with Gilligan and the Captain??? We need answers!!! This makes just as much sense, as in...........none. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Augie said: ...and while we’re at it, what the heck were Thurston Howell III and his wife doing on a three hour tour with Gilligan and the Captain??? We need answers!!! This makes just as much sense, as in...........none. But at least they had all of their wardrobe and suitcases full of cash. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 8 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Wow. Lots of super rich, prominent people attending this seedy place. Nothing to see here, of course. Right. There has to be more. Wall Steet billionaire fund managers and Citigroup presidents can find a rub 'n tug in NYC I'm sure. What's so special about a seedy little spa in a strip mall in Jupiter, FL? I'm sure more will come out in the next couple of weeks. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 16 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: These guys are billionaires. Of course they can pay for discretion etc etc for these kinds of services. Being that rich though must bring some cockiness and feeling untouchable in some areas. I have to agree if this is some sort of trafficking type deal it’s a feature not an accident. That being said there’s enough power and money behind this to make it all go away and disappear. I would be shocked if much more came of this. I expect there’s teams upon teams of powerful people working on covering this up and changing the storylines to spin it. In no way would I ever believe in this day and age money and power especially in this country solves this issue for the accused. Nope. The cat's out of the bag. 1 minute ago, Happy Gilmore said: Right. There has to be more. Wall Steet billionaire fund managers and Citigroup presidents can find a rub 'n tug in NYC I'm sure. What's so special about a seedy little spa in a strip mall in Jupiter, FL? I'm sure more will come out in the next couple of weeks. Money laundering? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaccof Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 Maybe that's why the Bills lost the Super Bowls - Ralph wasn't dipping his pen in the wrong ink wells.....just saying..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, whatdrought said: But at least they had all of their wardrobe and suitcases full of cash. He was probably a Boy Scout, trained to always be prepared! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 1 minute ago, chaccof said: Maybe that's why the Bills lost the Super Bowls - Ralph wasn't dipping his pen in the wrong ink wells.....just saying..... Yeah, and Ralph was cheap. These Orchids were right up his alley! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, Doc said: Nope. The cat's out of the bag. Money laundering? Oh, right, stereotype the Chinese with laundry. 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 2 hours ago, sodbuster said: Read the room. Everybody is worried about this being moved to PPP, and here you come with comments that not only will get this moved, but are totally useless to the discussion. "Worried about this being moved to PPP"." Seriously? What a HUGE worry to have. Your opinion of my comments is noted and disregarded. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 17 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: He is going to get smeared all across the country by just about everybody. The jokes will never stop, this one life choice is going to be dragged on forever and I'm going to enjoy every second of it. He's truly Livin on a Prayer now... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 15 minutes ago, Doc said: Nope. The cat's out of the bag. Money laundering? Absolutely. It's already gone too far and Kraft was a one time Trump donor so the media is not going to let this fade away. Dirt is probably already being gathered on the players in law enforcement in Jupiter so things do not get "lost." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said: "Worried about this being moved to PPP"." Seriously? What a HUGE worry to have. Your opinion of my comments is noted and disregarded. Are people on the TSW that scared of PPP? It's not the wrong side of the tracks after dark..... Or is it...? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 16 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Are people on the TSW that scared of PPP? It's not the wrong side of the tracks after dark..... Or is it...? Honestly, maybe I should reconsider posting an opinion. The thread being moved to PPP would be almost as bad as a nuclear war or a massive earthquake, no? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 Just now, Bill from NYC said: Honestly, maybe I should reconsider posting an opinion. The thread being moved to PPP would be almost as bad as a nuclear war or a massive earthquake, no? I mean, we're a bunch of d ---s down there but we're no Robert Kraft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 37 minutes ago, Doc said: Nope. The cat's out of the bag. Yes, it is. All the money in the world won’t help now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Joe Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said: Honestly, maybe I should reconsider posting an opinion. The thread being moved to PPP would be almost as bad as a nuclear war or a massive earthquake, no? Bill, you only need to post a few thoughts here...in whatever order you choose. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, mannc said: Yes, it is. All the money in the world won’t help now. If Kraft gives me ten grand, I promise to quit commenting on it...? Edited February 23, 2019 by Ridgewaycynic2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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