Prickly Pete Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Doc said: Kraft isn't your average customer. And was that girl you met giving handies at the end of her massages? I doubt it. It's typically the places where sex is offered that use sex slaves. Yes, she was. You don't know what his involvement was. To claim he is involved in sex trafficking is a leap at this point. I acknowledged his wealth and status...none of that proves he was involved at any level of crime higher than a misdemeanor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, OJ Tom said: Plenty of people just on this board didn't know anything about the human trafficking aspect of the massage parlors, so why should Kraft? I'm curious to see if there are any indications that he wasn't just another customer (despite his wealth and status) getting HJ at a local massage parlor...that's a misdemeanor. These places are almost all connected to a nail salon next door, with the same owners and likely with the same employees... should the women that patronize these nail salons know better, and know they are supporting human trafficking? I’ll support Kraft only in that he did not necessarily know it’s was human trafficking. Had he thought just a little bit, and he’s a bright guy, it might have been obvious what he was dealing with. But he chose not to think, because the obvious didn’t lead to the result he wanted. If you know so much and they are “almost all connected” to nail places, maybe you know more. If you can spot one, maybe the billionaire with the chauffeur can too? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 1 minute ago, OJ Tom said: Yes, she was. You don't know what his involvement was. To claim he is involved in sex trafficking is a leap at this point. I acknowledged his wealth and status...none of that proves he was involved at any level of crime higher than a misdemeanor. I'm not saying he was involved. But as I mentioned before, I suspect he knew what they were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 I don’t know what Kraft did or did not know about the plight of those women, but what I do know is to never underestimate the ability of the human mind to bull#### itself 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Augie said: I’ll support Kraft only in that he did not necessarily know it’s was human trafficking. Had he thought just a little bit, and he’s a bright guy, it might have been obvious what he was dealing with. But he chose not to think, because the obvious didn’t lead to the result he wanted. If you know so much and they are “almost all connected” to nail places, maybe you know more. If you can spot one, maybe the billionaire with the chauffeur can too? I know more because this girl told me. And if you doubt that they are connected to nail salons, just google a few and it will be true more often than not. Grandma's should know better than to support exploitation for cheap manicures! Edited February 25, 2019 by OJ Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 8 minutes ago, OJ Tom said: I know more because this girl told me. And if you doubt that they are connected to nail salon, just google a few and it will be true more often than not Cool! What was the name of the nail place next to Krafts hanky panky shop. It should be easy, because EVERY strip center in America has a nail place in it. Often Vietnamese, but it varies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Once Kraft realizes the evidence against him he will cry that he has a problem with alcohol and seek help. For the record I think he does have a problem with alcohol and has appeared hammered on a few post game appearances in the past few playoffs. Actually I think being an alcoholic would explain the reason why a billionaire would risk everything going to a seedy rub and tug when he could have easily arranged and paid for an ***** with much higher calibre hookers without much trouble. I am really interested how Goodell handles this as the PR for the NFL is really bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 What's the over/under for Pats* away games that'll have a row of Asian women in a front row on the field level? And what will their signs say? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Sign - you did us last December and you only gave us $20. We want more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Augie said: Cool! What was the name of the nail place next to Krafts hanky panky shop. It should be easy, because EVERY strip center in America has a nail place in it. Often Vietnamese, but it varies. Not sure what your point is. Whether this one massage parlor is connected to a nail salon or not, most are. If anything, not being connected to a nail salon would indicate a place was more likely a legitimate massage spa. I don't care if people are outraged, but it should be informed outrage. You don't know what you are talking about. My main argument is that it is jumping to conclusions that Kraft should automatically KNOW that his masseuse was a sex slave. Not every parlor is filled with sex slaves, not every masseuse that provides sex services is a slave, not every masseuse provides sex services. In some of these places, the girls are more like "independent contractors". This place might have been all sex slaves, but to assume that Kraft knew that (at this point) is just speculation (by people filled with hatred for a rival football team, at least here). Edited February 25, 2019 by OJ Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 3 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I’m shocked an old creepy guy who is trying to be “hip” pays for sex. Shocked. I feel bad for the women who have to touch that old bag (and I’m not talking about Robert). It will be real interesting to see to see what the nfl does here because it made headline news and is super embarrassing to the league. Rich guys in America believe regular laws don’t apply to them. Pay some money and everything will go away. Is this false? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 1 hour ago, OJ Tom said: I met a girl that worked at one of these...a college student, paying her way through school. No you didn’t. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 15 minutes ago, jimmy10 said: No you didn’t. yes, I did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc11 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 2 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said: Kraft still denies visiting the spa even though Jupiter, FL police have film on him visiting twice. How dare anyone question Lord Kraft. Ahhh the sage advice of Shaggy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc11 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 1 hour ago, OJ Tom said: I met a girl that worked at one of these...a college student, paying her way through school. Plenty of people just on this board didn't know anything about the human trafficking aspect of the massage parlors, so why should Kraft? I'm curious to see if there are any indications that he wasn't just another customer (despite his wealth and status) getting HJ at a local massage parlor...that's a misdemeanor. These places are almost all connected to a nail salon next door, with the same owners and likely with the same employees... should the women that patronize these nail salons know better, and know they are supporting human trafficking, and be condemned? Human trafficking isn't just related to sex acts. If they are brought over and forced to work in the nail salons, that is also human trafficking. Often times people are promised of good paying jobs, etc to lure them. Then they get there and the "employer" takes their passports, etc... and forces them into labor. I was a gov't contractor in Qatar after retiring from the AF and I saw this first hand. The amount of trafficking to build the infrastructure for the World Cup in 2022 is astronomical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, Herc11 said: Human trafficking isn't just related to sex acts. If they are brought over and forced to work in the nail salons, that is also human trafficking. Often times people are promised of good paying jobs, etc to lure them. Then they get there and the "employer" takes their passports, etc... and forces them into labor. I was a gov't contractor in Qatar after retiring from the AF and I saw this first hand. The amount of trafficking to build the infrastructure for the World Cup in 2022 is astronomical. Yeah...I know. That is why I mentioned it. There are people being exploited all around us...and plenty of people knowingly taking advantage of it. This Kraft incident just happens to involve sex, so it brings out a higher level of moral outrage. Edited February 25, 2019 by OJ Tom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 58 minutes ago, OJ Tom said: Yeah...I know. That is why I mentioned it. There are people being exploited all around us...and plenty of people knowingly taking advantage of it. This Kraft incident just happens to involve sex, so it brings out a higher level of moral outrage. Wait....so it’s common around the world, and this incites a higher level of outrage because it involves sex? Kraft is one of many, so there is a higher level of moral outrage? Are you %$@&ing kidding me? Other people in other places abused in other ways does NOT lessen this type of abuse! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Herc11 said: Human trafficking isn't just related to sex acts. If they are brought over and forced to work in the nail salons, that is also human trafficking. Often times people are promised of good paying jobs, etc to lure them. Then they get there and the "employer" takes their passports, etc... and forces them into labor. I was a gov't contractor in Qatar after retiring from the AF and I saw this first hand. The amount of trafficking to build the infrastructure for the World Cup in 2022 is astronomical. The Chinese buffet restaurant where you like to get those crab legs may well engage in human trafficking. My wife and I know a girl who has been shipped around the country as an illegal alien to various Chinese restaurants. Because they are illegal aliens, they are afraid to go to the authorities to complain about pay that is well under the minimum wage and hours well in excess of what labor laws allow. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderingsquid Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 ?he's Kraft-y, he gets around? ?he's Kraft-y, he's always down? ?he's Kraft-y, she's got a gripe? ?he's Kraft-y, she's just his type? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 20 minutes ago, Augie said: Wait....so it’s common around the world, and this incites a higher level of outrage because it involves sex? Kraft is one of many, so there is a higher level of moral outrage? Are you %$@&ing kidding me? Other people in other places abused in other ways does NOT lessen this type of abuse! What? You are jumbling my responses and applying them to any question that suits you. Piss off. Anyway...it's very curious that the place was bugged by the police under the guise of there being a bomb threat. I don't know the timeline, but I thought I read that they had the surveillance cameras up for 2 weeks prior to the sting. I have to wonder if someone at the spa recognized Kraft during the Super Bowl broadcast, and let the cops know, or if there was some kind of inside cooperation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 It is a misdemeanor folks. If it was anybody but Kraft the thread wouldn’t have made it 10 pages. The moral outrage at him is driven by envy. So if we are to take his football team then should we take every business from every owner that has ever engaged in solicitation? Or just the ones that we can’t beat in football? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 3 hours ago, Herc11 said: Human trafficking isn't just related to sex acts. If they are brought over and forced to work in the nail salons, that is also human trafficking. Often times people are promised of good paying jobs, etc to lure them. Then they get there and the "employer" takes their passports, etc... and forces them into labor. I was a gov't contractor in Qatar after retiring from the AF and I saw this first hand. The amount of trafficking to build the infrastructure for the World Cup in 2022 is astronomical. That's a bit different. That was well documented. It didnt take being in the air force to know that story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 2 hours ago, TigerJ said: The Chinese buffet restaurant where you like to get those crab legs may well engage in human trafficking. My wife and I know a girl who has been shipped around the country as an illegal alien to various Chinese restaurants. Because they are illegal aliens, they are afraid to go to the authorities to complain about pay that is well under the minimum wage and hours well in excess of what labor laws allow. And what have you done for her besides post about it on a messageboard? You're either a liar or just as complicit in it all as those you villanize. I'm not quite sure I understand the point of view being espoused that equates grandma's getting their nails done, or someone getting food from a Chinese buffet with a guy paying 60 bucks for sex. It's not even remotely close. Even if Robert Kraft has no clue what those girls are dealing with. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said: And what have you done for her besides post about it on a messageboard? You're either a liar or just as complicit in it all as those you villanize. I'm not quite sure I understand the point of view being espoused that equates grandma's getting their nails done, or someone getting food from a Chinese buffet with a guy paying 60 bucks for sex. It's not even remotely close. Even if Robert Kraft has no clue what those girls are dealing with. If he was just getting 45 minutes of massage, and a ball rub for the last 15 minutes from a 40 year old Chinese woman (which is generally the case with these "massage spas") that he paid $50 for at the counter, with $40 for a tip, I really don't see the big deal. If there is more to it, then I am fine with him being held accountable. My point about the nail salons is that THE SAME WOMEN that work the massage tables, are also working at the salons, giving low cost service to people (mainly women, many of them 'pussyhatters', no doubt) that KNOW full well that they are receiving a service at a "discounted rate", and are just as culpable for exploiting the trafficked women as the guys getting HJ's. One involves "sex" (cough) at an exorbitant rate, while the other involves a service at a "below market value" rate. Men/sex Women/vanity I'm right. Edited February 25, 2019 by OJ Tom 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 (edited) A good read.... https://www.complex.com/sports/2013/09/history-athletes-busted-with-prostitutes/james-worthy I wonder how many prostitutes the "great" 90's Bills were involved with? Hmmmm...... I wonder how many strippers have been "overpaid" by Buffalo Sabres, Bills, Bisons, Braves and Bandits? Hmmm... Methinks the outrage is mostly fueled by a rabid hatred of the Patriots, and not so much by concern for "human trafficking". I could be wrong.... Edited February 25, 2019 by OJ Tom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 6 hours ago, iinii said: It is a misdemeanor folks. If it was anybody but Kraft the thread wouldn’t have made it 10 pages. The moral outrage at him is driven by envy. So if we are to take his football team then should we take every business from every owner that has ever engaged in solicitation? Or just the ones that we can’t beat in football? Kraft gets humiliated. A small portion of the sex trade is resolved. These sex slaves were from China. Many are American Teenagers kidnapped off of the streets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Hi folks! I'm just checking in to see if this thread was moved to PPP. Whew.....it's still here. I was worried about this all weekend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 There are some curious little crusades in this thread. False equivalencies and straw men, with a generous portion of “U HATE THEM CUZ YOU AINT THEM.” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 (edited) 12 hours ago, Doc said: Not really. Havens and the other guy Childs are only "names" because they're billionaires who, like Kraft, you would think would have better sense than to get caught doing something like that. But neither is a "name" anywhere close to Kraft, especially among Schefter's target audience. If they released the names and it read like this: Dave Tepper, Wyc Grousbeck, Tillman Fertitta, Clay Bennett, Jeff Vinick, Rocky Wirtz, or Jim Crane...you and most everyone here would say.."who?" But if they said the list also includes the owners of the Carolina panthers, Boston Celtics, Houston Rockets, OKC Thunder, Tampa Bay Lightning, Chicago Blackhawks and the Houston Astros....everyone would say "WOW, those are some really big names they busted!" Edited February 25, 2019 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 11 hours ago, BUFFALOBART said: You're the one who needs the 'safe space' if you believe that @$$hole........ Now you know not to use such BAD language on this board. Naughty Naughty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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stevewin Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Please please let there be a glorious public perp walk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 On 2/22/2019 at 12:45 PM, whatdrought said: The NFL already get's enough black eyes when each year the SB is the greatest marketplace for human sex trafficking. They will respond hard to this. Too many PR nightmares this year. https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/31/us/sex-trafficking-super-bowl-myth/index.html FTA "Some groups claim that the influx of crowds for the Super Bowl contributes to an increase in sex trafficking. But leading anti-trafficking groups, such as Polaris Project and the International Human Trafficking Institute, say no evidence supports the claim. " On 2/22/2019 at 12:31 PM, PromoTheRobot said: So now instead of dildos do we throw inflatable sex dolls at Pats games? Rubber hands ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 7 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said: And what have you done for her besides post about it on a messageboard? You're either a liar or just as complicit in it all as those you villanize. I'm not quite sure I understand the point of view being espoused that equates grandma's getting their nails done, or someone getting food from a Chinese buffet with a guy paying 60 bucks for sex. It's not even remotely close. Even if Robert Kraft has no clue what those girls are dealing with. We contacted a lawyer for a non-profit agency that works with illegal aliens. She wants to stay in this country because she can send money home to her mom and stepdad. He is a commercial fisherman, a very low paying job in China. She opted not to talk to the lawyer we contacted. She has been working with a lawyer for the agency that brought her to this country in the first place. They want her to get married in this country. She has moved in with a boyfriend. The government knows about her now, and I think there is something going on, but I am not privy to that information. We got to know her when she was working in Corning, NY. She has since been in Texas, Virginia (twice) and is now in Boston, MA. She and my wife text back and forth on occasion. We only know what she tells us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 20 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: If they released the names and it read like this: Dave Tepper, Wyc Grousbeck, Tillman Fertitta, Clay Bennett, Jeff Vinick, Rocky Wirtz, or Jim Crane...you and most everyone here would say.."who?" But if they said the list also includes the owners of the Carolina panthers, Boston Celtics, Houston Rockets, OKC Thunder, Tampa Bay Lightning, Chicago Blackhawks and the Houston Astros....everyone would say "WOW, those are some really big names they busted!" I could rattle-off names of people you don't know and they'd be "names" in that they're rich people who you hear about occasionally/rarely. But Kraft's had his name in the paper a lot and is the biggest name of those they caught at the spa. Which was the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 2 hours ago, jimmy10 said: There are some curious little crusades in this thread. False equivalencies and straw men, with a generous portion of “U HATE THEM CUZ YOU AINT THEM.” I hope your tongue was in your cheek when you used the word curious. There are dogs who just can’t put this bone down. No pun intended Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 1 hour ago, stevewin said: Please please let there be a glorious public perp walk SHAME SHAME SHAME 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 5 hours ago, OJ Tom said: A good read.... https://www.complex.com/sports/2013/09/history-athletes-busted-with-prostitutes/james-worthy I wonder how many prostitutes the "great" 90's Bills were involved with? Hmmmm...... I wonder how many strippers have been "overpaid" by Buffalo Sabres, Bills, Bisons, Braves and Bandits? Hmmm... Methinks the outrage is mostly fueled by a rabid hatred of the Patriots, and not so much by concern for "human trafficking". I could be wrong.... It's about not getting caught. The second you get caught it is open season on your ass. On 2/22/2019 at 12:31 PM, PromoTheRobot said: So now instead of dildos do we throw inflatable sex dolls at Pats games? We throw spa adds on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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iinii Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 2 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Kraft gets humiliated. A small portion of the sex trade is resolved. These sex slaves were from China. Many are American Teenagers kidnapped off of the streets. I get that you want to paint a scarlet letter on Kraft but nothing has been resolved. The Lotus Flower probably just opened in-place of the Orchid with the same girls. It is a tragedy of epic proportions but until real punishment is bestowed on all Johns and not just an owner of a major sports organization it is going to be same as it ever was. The people that are making jokes in this thread are the enablers. There is zero humor in this situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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