"Reviewing what the media had to say about Buffalo Bills drafting Josh Allen"

[RevWarRifleman]

14 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Andy Benoit had the most accurate prediction. 

"Copy that."

[Whites Bay]

5 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

You were convinced the Bills wouldn't draft Allen? Why? It was him or Darnold. How can anyone can talk like they know this team after the past few years say they thought Allen was out of the question...

 

I guess I don't understand the whole "Darnold" thing.  The draft was held on April 26th, and the Jets traded for the Colts' #3 slot on March 17th (if I'm reading the old headlines correctly).  This was a week after the Bills had moved up to 12, and it was the Bills' move that spooked the Jets into giving up a king's ransom.  Long story short - the Bills weren't going to get the chance to pick whomever the #2 QB was in that draft.  It just wasn't going to happen.  Could they have done back flips and traded for the #2 pick with the Giants?  Well, theoretically, yes.  But in the view of hindsight, the Giants were pretty damn happy with where they stayed (because they probably got a number of calls from other teams, and turned them all down), and they ended up pretty damn happy with Barkley (because they certainly were in a position to have grabbed Darnold, Allen, Rosen or Jackson, or any other QB except Mayfield, but didn't).  So the Giants didn't, and weren't going to, trade for what the rest of the NFL was offering, right?  That's what history shows us.

 

The Jets gave up a LOT to get Darnold.  A LOT.  And we'll see if that was the right move in 5-6 years.  But the Bills just weren't going to get Darnold.  That path wasn't available to them, and that path was paved in concrete as soon as the Jets traded with Indianapolis what looks to have been 5 weeks before the draft.  And I apologize if I have the dates wrong, but that's the date I'm reading on an article from last year in the Indianapolis Star.  But the point still stands.  Bills weren't going to get Darnold.  The Jets had locked that up.

[vorpma]

13 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

He totally surpassed my expectations in year 1

 

I want to see what he looks like in year 2

Great post as always from our friend in Riverside!

[BigdaddyinOrlando]

13 hours ago, ndirish1978 said:

I wanted Rosen but Allen won me over.

Same! Rosen seemed like the shred of the two but glad we got our Josh! Love his attitude and guts and how seems to have fit in with our fan base! The just has the it factor , now let’s keep him upright in the pocket w a weapon or two and really see the kid play!!

[Straight Hucklebuck]

So we're declaring victory on Josh Allen? 

 

After 52.8% completion, 10 TDs passing and 12 Ints? 

 

 

Edited February 22, 2019 by Straight Hucklebuck

[JerseyBills]

All I know is 10 months later I'm extremely happy with Josh Allen. Much happier than I was on draft night.

The only other rookie QB I'd be happier with is Mayfield but still would feel Allen has the highest upside not only in the 18 class but possibly the whole league. Reaching that potential will be fun to watch and I think at the very least he takes a big time step in year 2 .

[Straight Hucklebuck]

6 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said:

This thread reads like Allen has done something...

 

Being better than Josh Rosen is not the standard. This city, fanbase, and ownership with this small time ***** has to stop.

 

Exactly right. 

 

His passing numbers are poor across the board. 

 

Now, its on Beane to improve the offensive personnel this offseason. But 2019 there are no more excuses. Allen is not a rookie, the OC says that he is everything they thought he'd be, they have continuity on the Coaching Staff, they have draft picks, cap space, ownership backing and McDermott has his culture. 

 

It's time for the winning to start. 

 

 

[Success]

12 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

So we're declaring victory on Josh Allen? 

 

After 52.8% completion, 10 TDs passing and 12 Ints? 

 

 

I feel like fans who keep repeating those stats didn’t watch the actual games.

 

I wasn’t happy about the pick, but love what I saw out if him - especially in that final stretch of games.  He clearly has that “it” factor, and skills-wise, his ceiling is off the charts.

 

As things stand, I think he’ll be the 2nd best QB to come out of this great class.  Could take the top spot, though.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

1 minute ago, Success said:

I feel like fans who keep repeating those stats didn’t watch the actual games.

 

I wasn’t happy about the pick, but love what I saw out if him - especially in that final stretch of games.  He clearly has that “it” factor, and skills-wise, his ceiling is off the charts.

 

As things stand, I think he’ll be the 2nd best QB to come out of this great class.  Could take the top spot, though.

Let's be honest, we're happy with his two games against Miami. A dropped pass by Clay and 5 total TDs in the final game is driving this optimism.

 

He was the only QB that could make anything happen on offense for the Bills, I give total credit to Allen for that. It's up to Beane to deliver him playmakers this offseason. 

 

But, we're out there trying to beat Brady, Roethlisberger, Luck, Watson, Mahomes, Rivers. Allen beat some non-Playoff teams, but overall this offense struggled before he got hurt (shutout in Green Bay) and after he came back (2 Ints against Jets in Week 13, team scored 12 points against NE Patriots in Week 15). 

 

The bar will be raised next year, and Allen, IMO, played exactly like his Scouting Reports said - occasional greatness because of his physical gifts, but erratic. 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

34 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

The bar will be raised next year, and Allen, IMO, played exactly like his Scouting Reports said - occasional greatness because of his physical gifts, but erratic. 

 

Allen improved as the season went on. That even accumulated in him having by far his best game of the year in his final game. This thread specifically is looking at Allen vs. Rosen as it looks specifically at the immediate post draft reactions to the Bills taking Allen with Rosen still on the board and coming off just a few picks later.

 

The raw QB rating stats for the entire season for both Allen and Rosen are nearly identical. Allen has Rosen beat by a mere 1.2 points. But how did each do down the stretch? As teams got more film on them and as they themselves learned the game?

 

Answer:

 

Allen's stats got better in ever single meaningful statistical category except for completion percentage. YPA improved. TD:INT ratio improved. Sack % improved. Passing ypg increased. And we all know how elite he was throwing in his rushing ability.

 

Rosen on the other hand saw ever single statistical category decline in his final six games except for completion percentage which was nearly identical. YPA decreased. TD:INT ratio decreased. Sack % increased. Passing ypg decreased.

 

 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

 

35 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

Allen improved as the season went on. That even accumulated in him having by far his best game of the year in his final game. This thread specifically is looking at Allen vs. Rosen as it looks specifically at the immediate post draft reactions to the Bills taking Allen with Rosen still on the board and coming off just a few picks later.

 

The raw QB rating stats for the entire season for both Allen and Rosen are nearly identical. Allen has Rosen beat by a mere 1.2 points. But how did each do down the stretch? As teams got more film on them and as they themselves learned the game?

 

Answer:

 

Allen's stats got better in ever single meaningful statistical category except for completion percentage. YPA improved. TD:INT ratio improved. Sack % improved. Passing ypg increased. And we all know how elite he was throwing in his rushing ability.

 

Rosen on the other hand saw ever single statistical category decline in his final six games except for completion percentage which was nearly identical. YPA decreased. TD:INT ratio decreased. Sack % increased. Passing ypg decreased.

 

 

Thank you for the analysis and facts. The Bills offense definitively got better when Allen came back from his injury. 

 

A large difference between the two is Rosen gives you nothing on the ground. 

 

The pressure is on Beane to deliver better offensive personnel. 

 

Allen and this offense have to score more points to really raise the quality of wins. I don't expect this defense to hold opponents to McDermott's stated goal of 17 points a game given the depth on that unit.  

 

 

Edited February 22, 2019 by Straight Hucklebuck

[bigK14094]

14 hours ago, Michael1962 said:

Is Buffalo really that windy? I lived near there for a long time and don't remember the wind being that significant.  At least not compared with parts of Colorado.

Yes, Buffalo's stadium is that windy.  I remember back in the day....one of Namath's last seasons, the Bills beat the jests for maybe their only win of the season.   Joe Willy was throwning curve balls all day due to the 30+mph wind that day.   Curving 3-4 feet on mid range throws.  He was 3-19 or something like that.  Yes, there are those days.

[John from Riverside]

12 hours ago, JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS said:

Wyoming has some of the worst weather in America.  Buffalo is tame compared to Laramie.

Lived in Kemmerer as a youth........what a mudhole

[Ramza86]

When I was watching some of the QBs on draft breakdown none of them stood out as special to be honest.

 

None of them felt like they warranted very high draft picks. Trading up to 1-3 would have been my nightmare scenario. If they fell to us....sure Id take them all. 

 

I thought Mayfield was the most complete player. Moved around in the pocket well, made pretty good decisions with the ball and had some decent throws. No wow factor. 

 

Darnold....Good arm, some nice throws on the run. A lot of dumb ints. Nothing special to me.

 

Josh Rosen...decent..but the guy was running for his life in most of the videos I watched. So i couldnt really see what I wanted to. 

 

Josh Allen...I saw about 1 minute of a video saw how inaccurate a couple of those throws were. I said nope and stopped. lmao. When I heard he could be going 1. I watched his stuff. Def has the wow factor in a both positive and negative way. So I told myself this is not a guy you trade up for. If he fell, I guess i can live with it. 

 

Come draft day and I saw what these guys actually looked like.....Didnt want scrawny Rosen. Darnold looks like a closet pedophile. Mayfield...whatever. Allen was the only one that looked like a man. 

 

After its all said and done. We didnt bet the farm on a QB so I can live with that. 

 

Allen has been pretty exciting. So im glad hes with us.

 

 

[947]

I actually strained a muscle in my ribs shouting obscenities when the Allen pick was announced. I was dead wrong,  I just ordered a Josh Allen jersey this week. I couldn't be more excited about his future as a Bill, and wouldn't trade him for any other QB from the 2018 draft.

 

I got used to seeing draft picks looking disappointed upon being drafted by Buffalo, it was awesome to see a guy that happy about it.

[Putin]

18 hours ago, Captain_Quint said:

Same. I wanted Allen least out of the big 4, but now I'm glad we got him. I still think Mayfield is the star of the group, but Allen will be right there with him. 

Allen will be ahead of him !! ( IF ) 

1- we get OL fixed 

2- get him a REAL WR or two , and a REAL TE

just looking back at the beginning of the season and those slow pathetic WR corpses that Allen had to work with is just mind boggling , 

 

 

[transplantbillsfan]

10 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

 

You crack me up, Transie, really.

 

You seem to think people view you as somebody who proves people wrong, in such a terrifying way that they then run away from you.

 

You're like one of those little yap dogs that thinks it's a German Shepherd. A little yap dog with leprosy. Not that you have leprosy, but a little yap dog with leprosy would get the living ***** beaten out of him but the disease's effects would leave him not feeling pain. So he'd leap up after the fight, say, "Hey, that doesn't hurt, I must've won, I guess I really am a German Shepherd. The dog I was fighting with has left, clearly there's no other reason for him to have left, he must be terrified.

 

I can't recall a single time you've proved me wrong on here. I've been wrong more than a few times, and I've learned plenty from other folks on here. Not you, though. I'm sure you've corrected me on some small factual mistakes I've made, we've had enough arguments that that must have happened and I've certainly done the same to you. But having been wrong on a major issue? Nah. Hasn't happened. I do remember a bunch of previous times when you claimed it had happened. A ton of times when you thought you'd proved how wrong I was when I said Tyrod wasn't a franchise guy. Once you thought you had corrected me when you told me there's simply no reasonable argument for thinking Josh Allen could ever succeed in the NFL. Not one when you were correct about that, though.

 

 

 

And no, the evidence didn't change your mind about Josh Allen. In the interval between the Bills drafting him and you having a religious conversion, he didn't throw a single ball in anger. There was no new evidence. Just time for you to say ... "oh, wait, he's the Bills new QB, let me go back and look at everything again ... understanding that he's the new possible franchise guy ... wow, my perception is totally different on this guy now that he's a Bill. Clearly I was wrong back when I looked at the same stuff not knowing he would be a Buffalo Bill. How strange I didn't see the obvious aura until he was on the roster. Now it's time for me to do the research projects I did on Tyrod that made Tyrod look so absolutely terrific to me for years."

 

The link you sent proves precisely that. He's drafted on the 26th and on the 30th you're already saying " I'm already growing to really like Allen because I'm a Bills fan and am purely a fan of my team ..."

 

Exactly. And you throw up a few PR videos that you can say you used as a trigger. But none of those would convince a guy who felt that  it was the simple factual truth that his college completion percentages ruled out pro success. And that was you. Yeah, you found a few things that would support your view. None of which had much to do with completion percentage. You'd already heard and in your opinion ruled out the possibility that he might be successful. What changed that? A video on his upbringing in Firebaugh? Would that have convinced you if it had been the Cards who'd drafted him? Puh-leeze.

 

The little switch in your brain, the one I might call the Tyrod switch, had been flipped when the Bills drafted him.

 

Oh....

 

 

my...

 

 

God...

 

Ummm... yeah.

 

Clearly you know what my thoughts are better than I do.  And clearly you know what my thoughts were at the time we drafted Allen better than I do.

 

Clearly you need the last word, even if it's a long winded post with more holes than swiss cheese.

 

I'll let that be the last word on this.

 

but...

 

It's just such a shame you're haughtiness is blinding you so much you legitimately can't recall one time--out of the several there were--that I proved you wrong, and then you ran away never to be seen in that discussion again.

[Utah John]

To compare Allen and Rosen, consider this -- the Cardinals are talking about taking another QB at #1 overall this year.  If they do that, I assume they'll trade Rosen and get good value.  But if the Bills were drafting #1, do you think they'd dump Allen at this point and move on?  I sure don't. 

[947]

35 minutes ago, Utah John said:

To compare Allen and Rosen, consider this -- the Cardinals are talking about taking another QB at #1 overall this year.  If they do that, I assume they'll trade Rosen and get good value.  But if the Bills were drafting #1, do you think they'd dump Allen at this point and move on?  I sure don't. 

I can't see any team giving up a first rounder for Rosen after having seen him play in the NFL. Maybe a team like the Giants would pony up a 2nd.

[BillsSB2020]

10 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

His 40 yard dash wasn't anything special either.  It was slower than Trubisky's which I saw as having similar scrambling abilities.

Exactly. There was very little to no indication that he'd be able to accumulate the kind of rushing yards he did in 2019.

[machine gun kelly]

I have a feeling it will be #1 Mayfield, but it will be a toss up between Allen and Darnold.  I believe Josh is doing everything he can to improve.  It’s just too early to tell.  This off-season is big for him.  No combine, and pro days to prepare for can simply get a couple of weeks off, and then work on his craft all off-season, and then another year in Daboll’s playbook and coaching.

 

I have hope and trust at this point.  This free agency and draft is so important for a good year.

[Mat68]

After the injury he was the best Qb in the class.  He was the best player on the field when he was playing in a vast majority of games down the stretch.  What he did vs Jacksonville is crazy.  

[NoHuddleKelly12]

6 hours ago, Utah John said:

To compare Allen and Rosen, consider this -- the Cardinals are talking about taking another QB at #1 overall this year.  If they do that, I assume they'll trade Rosen and get good value.  But if the Bills were drafting #1, do you think they'd dump Allen at this point and move on?  I sure don't. 

Yep, so glad we ended up with “wrong josh!” Can’t wait for this season to get rolling, haven’t been this psyched since 93 I think ? 

[3rdnlng]

On ‎2‎/‎21‎/‎2019 at 8:23 PM, Michael1962 said:

Is Buffalo really that windy? I lived near there for a long time and don't remember the wind being that significant.  At least not compared with parts of Colorado.

The wind swirls a lot in the stadium.

[3rdnlng]

18 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Transplant, your views were not "certainly reminiscent of many of these negative posts," as you try to put it. Your views were far far beyond them in negativity.

 

Transplant, you say you're willing to admit when you're wrong.

 

But that's not what happened.

 

Evidence didn't change your view. The fact that it was the Bills that drafted him changed your view. Your habit is to pick one Bills QB and venerate him. This wasn't some change you were making. This was an exact continuation of your old M.O. ... pick your fave Bills QB, and perceive him positively regardless of what the evidence actually shows. You didn't change your mind from evidence. You slotted Josh Allen into your "he's my guy regardless of what happens" slot and started perceiving him differently. He's your new Tyrod.

 

 

 

And if I "went radio silence when I was blatantly wrong," I would be on here all the time, without letup. It's you who's been wrong, Transie. Relentlessly. How many posts did you spend trying to argue that Tyrod was a franchise guy, that he was near-elite, that he was going to be here another year? It was well into the thousands, probably five thousand or more if you combine both boards. You're the guy with the relentless history of being wrong. I've been right.

 

When I go radio silent, it's because I'm busy in my life and am improving my sense of the value of posting on here and how it compares in value to the alternatives. The times I'm on here a lot are generally times in my life when I'm procrastinating. If you see me gone for a few days, be happy for me, I'm doing something interesting.

 

 

Do you have to question his sexuality too?

[Ethan in Cleveland]

8 hours ago, Utah John said:

To compare Allen and Rosen, consider this -- the Cardinals are talking about taking another QB at #1 overall this year.  If they do that, I assume they'll trade Rosen and get good value.  But if the Bills were drafting #1, do you think they'd dump Allen at this point and move on?  I sure don't. 

The media is saying that not the Cardinals.  They aren't moving on from Rosen.  

[Ethan in Cleveland]

I wanted Allen over Darnold and Rosen, but would have been happy with Rosen.  

But come on board, Allen was a worse version of TT last year.  Occasional big plays, lots of missed throws, lots of three and outs, lots of great runs, and triple the number of turnovers.

Allen had some great moments that suggest he can be a great QB and he seemed to get better as the year went on, which was great to see.  But I would take a step back before you start saying Rosen is a bust and Allen is a sure thing.  Lots of time and lots of development needed. 

One thing is for sure, they both had the worst supporting casts in the NFL

[Zerovoltz]

On 2/21/2019 at 9:21 PM, MJS said:

Anyone who thought Jackson should be drafted high in the 1st was on crack. He's got bust written all over him.

 

Harbaugh will scheme him to some wins, but he'll flame out. His biggest weakness is the most fundamental aspect of playing QB: staying in the pocket and making throws. It's the same reason why Tyrod won't ever be a franchise guy. Russell Wilson can do it and Cam Newton can do it. Their running ability enhances their play, but it doesn't define it.

 

If the best defense is to make you be a QB, you won't succeed at QB in the NFL.

 

Uh....ummm.....err.....hmmm.

 

29 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

The media is saying that not the Cardinals.  They aren't moving on from Rosen.  

 

Murray going 1/1 to Arizona.  

[Elite Poster]

Threads like this are pointless to me. Can we let the kids play a season or two before jumping to conclusions?

 

I never understood why we can't be happy our QB has potential to be good, and so do the other young guns. We have such a little man complex on this board sometimes. 

[Bangarang]

Wasn’t the OP also someone who didn’t want anything to do with Allen?

[oldmanfan]

3 hours ago, Bangarang said:

Wasn’t the OP also someone who didn’t want anything to do with Allen?

Yes at the draft but as he watched him play he came around.  It is OK for folks to change opinions when given more information is it not?

[Commsvet11]

4 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Yes at the draft but as he watched him play he came around.  It is OK for folks to change opinions when given more information is it not?

 

That “more information” in this case  is merely whether the person plays for the Bills or not. 

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, Commsvet11 said:

 

That “more information” in this case  is merely whether the person plays for the Bills or not. 

I think in general it's OK for fans of a team to feel good about the players of their team.  With Allen he showed some good stuff.  Why not feel better than when he was drafted?

[Bangarang]

25 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Yes at the draft but as he watched him play he came around.  It is OK for folks to change opinions when given more information is it not?

 

So then what’s the point here? Is OP mocking people for having opinions that he at one point agreed with? Who’s to say those same people haven’t come around to Allen just like he did?

[oldmanfan]

6 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

 

So then what’s the point here? Is OP mocking people for having opinions that he at one point agreed with? Who’s to say those same people haven’t come around to Allen just like he did?

Well if he is he shouldn't.  I do think though there are some who would rather brag about being right about a guy like Allen not being the guy vs. being wrong and having the team succeed with him.

[Commsvet11]

6 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Well if he is he shouldn't.  I do think though there are some who would rather brag about being right about a guy like Allen not being the guy vs. being wrong and having the team succeed with him.

 

There is that line again, a poster rather be right than the team succeed. 

 

It is so stupid, if there is a valid argument and it comes to pass that a poster prediction is right you would get mad at the poster instead of asking why a poster knew this but not a FO. 

 

The the only reason we are happy we are right is because then a change is being made for the better of the team. 

[oldmanfan]

4 minutes ago, Commsvet11 said:

 

There is that line again, a poster rather be right than the team succeed. 

 

It is so stupid, if there is a valid argument and it comes to pass that a poster prediction is right you would get mad at the poster instead of asking why a poster knew this but not a FO. 

 

The the only reason we are happy we are right is because then a change is being made for the better of the team. 

I don't think so.  Regrettably I believe there are a few folks would would rather the team not succeed so they can brag about being right on a message board, or wallow in some kind of self-pity about the team.  We all are critical from time to time but there are those who insist on only being negative.  I don't get that, maybe you do.  We clearly don't agree, I won't change your mind nor vice versa.

[transplantbillsfan]

3 hours ago, Bangarang said:

 

So then what’s the point here? Is OP mocking people for having opinions that he at one point agreed with? Who’s to say those same people haven’t come around to Allen just like he did?

 

I think I have explained this a million times, but once again, what actually happened was that after we drafted Allen, I was miserable because I thought we made a terrible choice. However, my basis for that opinion was such a teeny tiny amount of game-watching and almost no background research into the kid.

 

I truly was convinced we wouldn't make what I believed--based on an extremely inadequate research/game-watching--that we would NOT draft Allen.

 

Someone early in the thread asked why I believed that. I believed it because I was convinced--based on an extremely inadequate research/game-watching--that Buffalo was going to trade up to #1 or #2 for Darnold OR trade up to the #4 to #10 range for Rosen or Mayfield. Mayfield was the guy I wanted exponentially more than any other QB, but I would have been happy with Darnold and would have settled for Rosen. But, based on an extremely inadequate research/game-watching, I loathed the idea of drafting Allen.

 

I truly didn't think Mayfield would go #1 and thought we had a great shot at him. I thought his height and "attitude" would keep him from being drafted #1, so I actually felt pretty confident we'd find a way to get either Darnold or Mayfield. I was just so confident Beane would work magic and get "his guy," and I think he did, but it happened to be a guy I had barely researched/game-watched.

 

Keep in mind, I hate college football. It's weird, but I love the NFL, but find college football annoying. So I barely watch it until draft time comes and I can only see highlights. But just looking at Allen's stats, the team he was on and the competition he played against before looking at some of his highlights, I just thought there was no way in HELL we'd draft him.

 

And I was massively wrong. And he was now the QB for the team I loved.

 

And it made me sick.

 

And so I did what I should have done before the draft. I stayed up the night we drafted him and watched just as much YouTube "gamefilm" along with some background videos on him and read up on him.

 

And that was what changed my mind. Drafting him was what forced me to do what I should have done before the draft.

 

My problem with a lot of the "experts" is that I would've thought they would've done all that prior to the draft themselves considering it's, ya know, their jobs. And now a season has played out where Allen took on the Herculean role of carrying an offense most of the time he was on the field--much like I came to discover pre-draft he did at Wyoming--and several of these guys who had strongly negative opinions before the draft may have changed their opinions (can you direct me to those? Or were you just speculating?), but several clearly haven't:

 

And here's another draft reaction from the Bill Barnwell run Ringer... though this article isn't wrtitten by him:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theringer.com/platform/amp/nfl/2018/4/27/17289496/2018-draft-winners-losers-buffalo-bills-josh-allen-lamar-jackson-baltimore-ravens

The Winners and Losers From Round 1 of the NFL Draft

Loser: The Buffalo Bills

I would consider any team that used a first-round pick on Josh Allen to be the biggest loser of the first round. No good NFL quarterback has ever had statistics as bad as Allen’s college stats; his best-case statistical comparables include Brian Griese and Josh McCown. There are just so many videos of him missing easy passes so badly. Sure, his arm is strong enough that teams should value his potential, but “extremely strong quarterback who may never learn how to throw to receivers” seems to me like a Day 3 pick, not a first-rounder. I remain baffled that he was treated like a top prospect throughout the entire draft process.

 

But the Bills didn’t just draft Allen. They traded up to get him, giving up two second-round picks to move up five spots. That’s a massive overpay on any draft value chart. 

 

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25518645/nfl-rookie-quarterback-progress-reports-2018-draft-picks-shown-far

NFL rookie QB progress reports: What 2018 picks have shown so far

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Josh Allen, Buffalo Bills

Pick: No. 7 | Starts: 8 | Total QBR: 57.1

Bills fans who were frustrated by Tyrod Taylor's low-risk, modest-reward efficiency looked to get the polar opposite when the Bills drafted Allen out of Wyoming. His prototypical arm strength and propensity for attacking teams downfield was supposed to augur a new era for the Bills' offense.

 

Instead, so far, the Bills have witnessed ... a less impressive version of Taylor. The same frustrated fans who were sick of Taylor failing to hit 200 passing yards in a game have seen Allen average 181.6 passing yards in his eight full starts. He is completing just 52.4 percent of his passes while throwing his average pass 10.5 yards in the air. (Over his three years in Buffalo, Taylor completed 62.6 percent of his passes while throwing them an average of 9.0 yards in the air.) Allen has added an unwanted propensity for interceptions, given that his nine picks are nearly as many as the 10 Taylor threw over his final two seasons in Buffalo combined.

 

...

 

As a passer, though, it's difficult to see any signs of improvement from Allen. His numbers are horrific -- he ranks last among qualifying signal-callers in passer rating (62.8) and QBR on pass attempts (26.8) -- and don't bear any resemblance to the quarterback Allen was supposed to be coming out of college. His deep balls have been scattershot at best; on throws 16 or more yards downfield, his passer rating is 36.2, which is nearly 20 points worse than any other qualifying passer. His Total QBR on those throws is also last in the league.

 

 

 

[Bangarang]

7 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

I think I have explained this a million times, but once again, what actually happened was that after we drafted Allen, I was miserable because I thought we made a terrible choice. However, my basis for that opinion was such a teeny tiny amount of game-watching and almost no background research into the kid.

 

I truly was convinced we wouldn't make what I believed--based on an extremely inadequate research/game-watching--that we would NOT draft Allen.

 

Someone early in the thread asked why I believed that. I believed it because I was convinced--based on an extremely inadequate research/game-watching--that Buffalo was going to trade up to #1 or #2 for Darnold OR trade up to the #4 to #10 range for Rosen or Mayfield. Mayfield was the guy I wanted exponentially more than any other QB, but I would have been happy with Darnold and would have settled for Rosen. But, based on an extremely inadequate research/game-watching, I loathed the idea of drafting Allen.

 

I truly didn't think Mayfield would go #1 and thought we had a great shot at him. I thought his height and "attitude" would keep him from being drafted #1, so I actually felt pretty confident we'd find a way to get either Darnold or Mayfield. I was just so confident Beane would work magic and get "his guy," and I think he did, but it happened to be a guy I had barely researched/game-watched.

 

Keep in mind, I hate college football. It's weird, but I love the NFL, but find college football annoying. So I barely watch it until draft time comes and I can only see highlights. But just looking at Allen's stats, the team he was on and the competition he played against before looking at some of his highlights, I just thought there was no way in HELL we'd draft him.

 

And I was massively wrong. And he was now the QB for the team I loved.

 

And it made me sick.

 

And so I did what I should have done before the draft. I stayed up the night we drafted him and watched just as much YouTube "gamefilm" along with some background videos on him and read up on him.

 

And that was what changed my mind. Drafting him was what forced me to do what I should have done before the draft.

 

My problem with a lot of the "experts" is that I would've thought they would've done all that prior to the draft themselves considering it's, ya know, their jobs. And now a season has played out where Allen took on the Herculean role of carrying an offense most of the time he was on the field--much like I came to discover pre-draft he did at Wyoming--and several of these guys who had strongly negative opinions before the draft may have changed their opinions (can you direct me to those? Or were you just speculating?), but several clearly haven't:

 

And here's another draft reaction from the Bill Barnwell run Ringer... though this article isn't wrtitten by him:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theringer.com/platform/amp/nfl/2018/4/27/17289496/2018-draft-winners-losers-buffalo-bills-josh-allen-lamar-jackson-baltimore-ravens

The Winners and Losers From Round 1 of the NFL Draft

Loser: The Buffalo Bills

I would consider any team that used a first-round pick on Josh Allen to be the biggest loser of the first round. No good NFL quarterback has ever had statistics as bad as Allen’s college stats; his best-case statistical comparables include Brian Griese and Josh McCown. There are just so many videos of him missing easy passes so badly. Sure, his arm is strong enough that teams should value his potential, but “extremely strong quarterback who may never learn how to throw to receivers” seems to me like a Day 3 pick, not a first-rounder. I remain baffled that he was treated like a top prospect throughout the entire draft process.

 

But the Bills didn’t just draft Allen. They traded up to get him, giving up two second-round picks to move up five spots. That’s a massive overpay on any draft value chart. 

 

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25518645/nfl-rookie-quarterback-progress-reports-2018-draft-picks-shown-far

NFL rookie QB progress reports: What 2018 picks have shown so far

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Josh Allen, Buffalo Bills

Pick: No. 7 | Starts: 8 | Total QBR: 57.1

Bills fans who were frustrated by Tyrod Taylor's low-risk, modest-reward efficiency looked to get the polar opposite when the Bills drafted Allen out of Wyoming. His prototypical arm strength and propensity for attacking teams downfield was supposed to augur a new era for the Bills' offense.

 

Instead, so far, the Bills have witnessed ... a less impressive version of Taylor. The same frustrated fans who were sick of Taylor failing to hit 200 passing yards in a game have seen Allen average 181.6 passing yards in his eight full starts. He is completing just 52.4 percent of his passes while throwing his average pass 10.5 yards in the air. (Over his three years in Buffalo, Taylor completed 62.6 percent of his passes while throwing them an average of 9.0 yards in the air.) Allen has added an unwanted propensity for interceptions, given that his nine picks are nearly as many as the 10 Taylor threw over his final two seasons in Buffalo combined.

 

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As a passer, though, it's difficult to see any signs of improvement from Allen. His numbers are horrific -- he ranks last among qualifying signal-callers in passer rating (62.8) and QBR on pass attempts (26.8) -- and don't bear any resemblance to the quarterback Allen was supposed to be coming out of college. His deep balls have been scattershot at best; on throws 16 or more yards downfield, his passer rating is 36.2, which is nearly 20 points worse than any other qualifying passer. His Total QBR on those throws is also last in the league.

 

 

 

 

Why would you assume the “experts” didn’t do their homework? The draft isn’t some exact science where you can crunch some numbers that guarantee how a player develops at the NFL level.

 

And Allen hasn’t proven the critics wrong just yet so I’m not sure what a thread like this is out to prove. You had such a negative view of Allen and wanted nothing to do with him like so many others. 

[transplantbillsfan]

1 minute ago, Bangarang said:

 

Why would you assume the “experts” didn’t do their homework? The draft isn’t some exact science where you can crunch some numbers that guarantee how a player develops at the NFL level.

 

And Allen hasn’t proven the critics wrong just yet so I’m not sure what a thread like this is out to prove. You had such a negative view of Allen and wanted nothing to do with him like so many others. 

 

Forget it.

 

Guess we're just talking around each other.