Bill Polian on Bills coaching and more....

[PIZ]

 

We are so lucky to have the coaches and GM we have.  Can't wait to see what they can do next season, after Free Agency, the draft, and Josh Allen's second year.

 

Unfortunately I only got the actual article to come up once....have to be a subscriber I guess.

 

 

Edited February 9, 2019 by PIZ

[Big Turk]

I'm not sure how anyone could say winning 15 games over the past 2 years with the roster we have had is anything short of unbeliebvable...Hue jackson would have been 0-32.

Edited February 9, 2019 by matter2003

[YoloinOhio]

3 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

I'm not sure how anyone could say winning 15 games over the past 2 years with the roster we have had is anything short of unbeliebvable...Hue jackson would have been 0-32.

 But Hue would tell you no one else could have done what he did! 

[BADOLBILZ]

4 minutes ago, PIZ said:

 

We are so lucky to have the coaches and GM we have.  Can't wait to see what they can do next season, after Free Agency, the draft, and Josh Allen's second year.

 

Unfortunately I only got the actual article to come up once....have to be a subscriber I guess.

 

 

 

 

 

Keep in mind he LOVED him some Dick Jauron.

 

He encouraged Marv to hire Jauron to replace Mularkey(after Ralph refused to re-hire Marv himself)..........and Polian declared that he'd have hired Jauron for the Colts..........ya' know.........if Tony Dungy hadn't been available.

 

Polian's takes have been pretty irrelevant/bad since the early 2000's IMO............as disappointing as it was that he couldn't finish the defense in Buffalo its even more amazing that he only won 1 SB with Peyton Manning.   

 

 

 

 

[LSHMEAB]

This is why I'm confused as to why people are more sold on Beane than McDermott.

 

Teardown/reconstruction/whatever; Beane has yet to put together a competitive roster whereas McDermott has done a fine job with crap rosters. 

 

McDermott has gotten more results than Beane thus far.

Edited February 9, 2019 by LSHMEAB

[BADOLBILZ]

11 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

I'm not sure how anyone could say winning 15 games over the past 2 years with the roster we have had is anything short of unbeliebvable...Hue jackson would have been 0-32.

 

 

We're not the worst!   We're not the worst!    

 

Where's Promo these days?

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

13 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

 

Keep in mind he LOVED him some Dick Jauron.

 

He encouraged Marv to hire Jauron to replace Mularkey(after Ralph refused to re-hire Marv himself)..........and Polian declared that he'd have hired Jauron for the Colts..........ya' know.........if Tony Dungy hadn't been available.

 

Polian's takes have been pretty irrelevant/bad since the early 2000's IMO............as disappointing as it was that he couldn't finish the defense in Buffalo its even more amazing that he only won 1 SB with Peyton Manning.   

 

 

 

 

 

....didn't the late great Bill Walsh espouse Spent Trent Edwards?.....

[BADOLBILZ]

1 minute ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

....didn't the late great Bill Walsh espouse Spent Trent Edwards?.....

 

 

Yep.........long after the game had passed him by as well.

 

Listening to Polian babble at the Senior Bowl practices was pretty sad.............there's nothing left to give there.

[Gugny]

20 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

This is why I'm confused as to why people are more sold on Beane than McDermott.

 

Teardown/reconstruction/whatever; Beane has yet to put together a competitive roster whereas McDermott has done a fine job with crap rosters. 

 

Beane has proven absolutely nothing.

 

He's only had two years, man.  And it appears that he did something that no Bills GM has been able to do in the 35 years prior to Beane's arrival .... get a real QB.

 

Oh ... he also got a 3rd round pick for Tyrod Taylor.  That, alone, says that "absolutely nothing," is patently false.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Yep.........long after the game had passed him by as well.

 

Listening to Polian babble at the Senior Bowl practices was pretty sad.............there's nothing left to give there.

 

....nothing more than opinions......plenty hit the nail and even more whiffed......here's a couple of more gems to digest.......Jaws commenting on how "smart JP Losman is with the football"....OR...Brylcream Mel Kiper on Tony Mandarich, calling him "a behemoth....a man playing among boyz.....can't miss HOF'er"...Pepto Bismol time............

[LSHMEAB]

2 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

He's only had two years, man.  And it appears that he did something that no Bills GM has been able to do in the 35 years prior to Beane's arrival .... get a real QB.

 

Oh ... he also got a 3rd round pick for Tyrod Taylor.  That, alone, says that "absolutely nothing," is patently false.

He has yet to field a competitive roster and he APPEARS to have gotten a real QB. Like I said, he has proven nothing whereas McDermott has proven he can maximize the roster.

 

I didn't say Beane was going to fail. I said he has proven nothing. Which is true.

Edited February 9, 2019 by LSHMEAB

[CookieG]

Not sure I'd call a team that should win 3 games an endorsement of the GM. 

 

He's giving credit for coaching,  not team building.

[Gugny]

1 minute ago, LSHMEAB said:

He has yet to field a competitive roster and he APPEARS to have gotten a real QB. Like I said, he has proven nothing whereas McDermott has proven he can maximize the roster.

 

I didn't say Beane was going to fail. I said he has proven nothing. Which is true.

 

So all of the nobodies who Beane secured who are playing on their top 5 defense would've sucked without McDermott?

[LSHMEAB]

Just now, Gugny said:

 

So all of the nobodies who Beane secured who are playing on their top 5 defense would've sucked without McDermott?

Has he fielded a competitive roster? The answer is no. That's all I was saying. What I read from Polian is exactly the way I see it; the coach has gotten the most out of crap rosters. It doesn't mean Beane will never get it done. I just find it odd that people have more confidence in BB than they do in McDermott.

[Bangarang]

Wait, weren’t people bashing the media that only predicted us to win 4 games and now we are praising the coaching staff for getting more than 4 wins from a roster without much talent? 

[BADOLBILZ]

29 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

This is why I'm confused as to why people are more sold on Beane than McDermott.

 

Teardown/reconstruction/whatever; Beane has yet to put together a competitive roster whereas McDermott has done a fine job with crap rosters. 

 

Beane has proven absolutely nothing.

 

 

I think they are both on the fence.

 

Both have done some very good things and glaringly bad things in their respective jobs and they've shown a willingness to correct obvious mistakes, which is encouraging.

 

Similar position to where Jauron was after his first season.......no balls, no babies though..........and after watching their slow build Vegas clearly thinks they have no balls and that's why they have the worst odds in the NFL to win the SB even though they are a 6 win team with no free agents and a ton of draft picks and cap room.

 

The narrative that they inherited a bad team or a team that required re-building isn't accurate though.............they made a choice to create a roster that would be naturally more amenable to a hard working, caring but mistake prone young HC.........patient, well paid vets with few options and try hards and rookies.   They even threw extra money at guys like McCoy and Wood to get them to help sell their process.     It wasn't an entirely organic "process". 

 

 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

57 minutes ago, PIZ said:

 

We are so lucky to have the coaches and GM we have.  Can't wait to see what they can do next season, after Free Agency, the draft, and Josh Allen's second year.

 

Unfortunately I only got the actual article to come up once....have to be a subscriber I guess.

 

 

That coach and that GM put together the 2019 roster. That coach started Peterman. Same coach that let Gilmore walk. Same GM that got rid of talent for cap space. 

Past is prologue. I’m moving on and evaluating moves made going forward. But I’m not giving them a pass on prior decisions. 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

51 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 But Hue would tell you no one else could have done what he did! 

 

And all the problems were due to issues with the assistants! 

[formerlyofCtown]

55 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

This is why I'm confused as to why people are more sold on Beane than McDermott.

 

Teardown/reconstruction/whatever; Beane has yet to put together a competitive roster whereas McDermott has done a fine job with crap rosters. 

 

Beane has proven absolutely nothing.

I know and he has already had one full offseason to do so.?

Edited February 9, 2019 by formerlyofCtown

[Johnny Hammersticks]

30 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

Has he fielded a competitive roster? The answer is no. That's all I was saying. What I read from Polian is exactly the way I see it; the coach has gotten the most out of crap rosters. It doesn't mean Beane will never get it done. I just find it odd that people have more confidence in BB than they do in McDermott.

 

Well, he was GM when the team made the playoffs.  That was kind of a big deal.  What’s your definition of a “competitive roster” Trolly McTrollenstein?

[Logic]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Keep in mind he LOVED him some Dick Jauron.

 

He encouraged Marv to hire Jauron to replace Mularkey(after Ralph refused to re-hire Marv himself)..........and Polian declared that he'd have hired Jauron for the Colts..........ya' know.........if Tony Dungy hadn't been available.

 

Polian's takes have been pretty irrelevant/bad since the early 2000's IMO............as disappointing as it was that he couldn't finish the defense in Buffalo its even more amazing that he only won 1 SB with Peyton Manning.   

 

More sage wisdom from the guy who likes being pessimistic about the Bills so much that his screen name is "BADOLBILZ". Thanks for all you do, bud!

[LSHMEAB]

Just now, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

Well, he was GM when the team made the playoffs.  That was kind of a big deal.  What’s your definition of a “competitive roster” Trolly McTrollenstein?

Cool nickname bro. And I've been told a million times on this very board that Beane had nothing to do with the 2017 roster. Was that true?

 

I swear we have to be the softest fanbase in the history of mankind. I say I believe in the coach, but I'm not sold on the GM. That elicits this kind of response? Holy smokes.

[Elite Poster]

3 points:

 

1. It was THEIR decision to start Peterman and trade for Benjamin. They shouldn't get credit for having a bad roster, they should get blamed. They could've easily went into the year with Anderson and Barkley. Not Peterman. 

 

2. In what world do we give credit to a team for posting up a losing season? This is NFL football. Second year HC's win, even make Superbowls. I understand every situation is different but there were SEVERAL boneheaded decisions made.

 

3. Polian is a GM of old. He absolutely squandered anything he touched, beyond drafting Manning #1 overall, and his opinions on most things football have been wildly incorrect lately. Remember, this guy LOVED Manziel...

 

I'm not a homer so people will automatically disagree or deny anything I say so here is a link outlining Polian's decade of absolute and utter failure. With Jim Kelly and Peyton freaking Manning, the guy got ONE Superbowl win.

 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1007781-jim-irsay-fired-bill-chris-polian-for-bad-decade-of-drafting#slide0

Edited February 9, 2019 by Elite Poster

[White Linen]

6 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

Cool nickname bro. And I've been told a million times on this very board that Beane had nothing to do with the 2017 roster. Was that true?

 

I swear we have to be the softest fanbase in the history of mankind. I say I believe in the coach, but I'm not sold on the GM. That elicits this kind of response? Holy smokes.

 

I don't think we're soft - I just think we get frustrated with people like you.  You take these hard stances and you as quick as anyone can't handle debate.  There are no other points of view, except yours.   You're actually the soft one but you can't see it.  

 

There's no way you can have enough knowledge to say you're not sold on the GM.

[BADOLBILZ]

4 minutes ago, Logic said:

More sage wisdom from the guy who likes being pessimistic about the Bills so much that his screen name is "BADOLBILZ". Thanks for all you do, bud!

 

 

 

Or perhaps I am just comfortable with the reality either way.

 

It's a hobby and entertainment...........I want to understand why it is and what to expect and I can be objective about it.

 

You know how the great athletes say "embrace the suck"........well the realistic Bills should do that with the Bills if necessary........or you end up like our resident apologists dying a thousand deaths while they hope for luck and fate to intervene in Bills results.

 

As for my screen name............don't expose your still-wet-rodent from the BBMB sinking ship nature..........I've been posting here since 1998 and have had plenty of encouraging things to say when it's deserved?.........there's just been this little "absence of success" thing.    Doesn't stop me from enjoying the game or the tailgating.

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 minute ago, White Linen said:

 

I don't think we're soft - I just think we get frustrated with people like you.  You take these hard stances and you as quick as anyone can't handle debate.  There are no other points of view, except yours.   You're actually the soft one but you can't see it.  

 

There's no way you can have enough knowledge to say you're not sold on the GM.

 

 

 

....GREAT call bud....soft?...seriously?......resilient in support?....who is better?.....those with a continual axe to grind should always wear safety glasses to protect their vision....Jesus, soft?........

[LSHMEAB]

2 minutes ago, White Linen said:

 

 

There's no way you can have enough knowledge to say you're not sold on the GM.

I am open to all points of view. I share mine. You share yours. I read positive takes, negative takes, and everything in between. I recognize that each individual is going to have an opinion. That's kind of the point of a message board.

 

As to your statement; It doesn't make a whole lot of sense. A limited amount of knowledge is precisely why one would not be sold. 

 

When Beane fields a competitive roster, I will be sold. McDermott has already proven that he can take a bad roster to the playoffs and get 6 wins out of perhaps the worst roster in the league; which is why I have more confidence in McDermott than BB. I like results.

 

The oddity is that my post was more of a compliment to McDermott than a putdown of Beane. The consensus on the board appears to be that Beane is definitely the guy and McDermott may be the guy. I believe the reverse is true.

 

 

 

[CoudyBills]

8 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Or perhaps I am just comfortable with the reality either way.

 

It's a hobby and entertainment...........I want to understand why it is and what to expect and I can be objective about it.

 

You know how the great athletes say "embrace the suck"........well the realistic Bills should do that with the Bills if necessary........or you end up like our resident apologists dying a thousand deaths while they hope for luck and fate to intervene in Bills results.

 

As for my screen name............don't expose your still-wet-rodent from the BBMB sinking ship nature..........I've been posting here since 1998 and have had plenty of encouraging things to say when it's deserved?.........there's just been this little "absence of success" thing.    Doesn't stop me from enjoying the game or the tailgating.

 

1998 huh...need some Metamucil grandpa? 

[White Linen]

5 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

I am open to all points of view. I share mine. You share yours. I read positive takes, negative takes, and everything in between. I recognize that each individual is going to have an opinion. That's kind of the point of a message board.

 

As to your statement; It doesn't make a whole lot of sense. A limited amount of knowledge is precisely why one would not be sold. 

 

When Beane fields a competitive roster, I will be sold. McDermott has already proven that he can take a bad roster to the playoffs and get 6 wins out of perhaps the worst roster in the league; which is why I have more confidence in McDermott than BB. I like results.

 

The oddity is that my post was more of a compliment to McDermott than a putdown of Beane. The consensus on the board appears to be that Beane is definitely the guy and McDermott may be the guy. I believe the reverse is true.

 

 

 

 

You formulate incorrectly again.  Not being sold is a conclusion and without enough knowledge is faulty not strength. 

[BADOLBILZ]

23 minutes ago, CoudyBills said:

1998 huh...need some Metamucil grandpa? 

 

 

How do the Bills affect peoples' plumbing?

 

I think we've found a potentially entertaining poll question that hasn't been asked.

 

[Aussie Joe]

At this point, I’m not really too interested in a rehash of the last two years..

 

The reality is that Beane and McD are driving this bus in 2019, and I believe expectations are high for this season..

 

They need to get a lot of things right in FA and the Draft, and I want to be optimistic at this point that they can accomplish this..

 

They have gone through the tear down...  this offseason we see whether they can build things back up..

 

 

 

[CaptnCoke11]

Amazing how some people’s opinions change when someone says something nice about Buffalo..

[Augie]

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

 How do the Bills affect peoples' plumbing?

 

I think we've found a potentially entertaining poll question that hasn't been asked.

 

 

If you really want to get to the bottom of that, we should bring in the world’s foremost expert on the topic, @plenzmd1. 

[GreggTX]

4 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

This is why I'm confused as to why people are more sold on Beane than McDermott.

 

Teardown/reconstruction/whatever; Beane has yet to put together a competitive roster whereas McDermott has done a fine job with crap rosters. 

 

McDermott has gotten more results than Beane thus far.

 

I agree that McDermott, Frazier and Daboll have had better results, but I'm going to have to see what Beane can do now that he's dumped the overpaid players and has cap space to work with.

56 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

At this point, I’m not really too interested in a rehash of the last two years..

 

The reality is that Beane and McD are driving this bus in 2019, and I believe expectations are high for this season..

 

They need to get a lot of things right in FA and the Draft, and I want to be optimistic at this point that they can accomplish this..

 

They have gone through the tear down...  this offseason we see whether they can build things back up..

 

 

 

 

Too bad this isn't a better year for FA's on the offensive side of the ball. No doubt Beane will make at least 1 mistake -- All GM's do, but this will be quite a test for him.

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

4 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

This is why I'm confused as to why people are more sold on Beane than McDermott.

 

Teardown/reconstruction/whatever; Beane has yet to put together a competitive roster whereas McDermott has done a fine job with crap rosters. 

 

McDermott has gotten more results than Beane thus far.

 

You do realize this is Beanes first full season as our GM, the 2018 Draft was his first as our GM, it's kind of hard to field a winning team roster made up of 17 seasons of failure for any GM in just 1 full season imo. To me he's done a decent job so far with what he's had to work with.

[nedboy7]

Everyone is aware it's Beane's first full season as GM.  They completely messed up the QB position last season and did not surround Allen with any steady weapons or some steady veteran leadership behind him.  This I feel hindered Allen's development.  While it is too early to really call him a failure it is also too early to say he has done a decent job.  Last season was painful to watch.  While I am optimistic they will do a good job by no means is it negative to look at the past mistakes. 

[LSHMEAB]

7 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said:

 

You do realize this is Beanes first full season as our GM, the 2018 Draft was his first as our GM, it's kind of hard to field a winning team roster made up of 17 seasons of failure for any GM in just 1 full season imo. To me he's done a decent job so far with what he's had to work with.

I realize all of this. I was not particularly impressed with his FA signings last season. I do not like the WR's he's acquired as a whole. I'm not 100 percent sure about the draft, but both first rounders have big POTENTIAL and Johnson was a steal. He did an OUTSTANDING job finding gems like Wallace and Foster. I have still yet to see him field a solid roster, which is why I'm not "sold." 

25 minutes ago, GreggTX said:

 

I agree that McDermott, Frazier and Daboll have had better results, but I'm going to have to see what Beane can do now that he's dumped the overpaid players and has cap space to work with.

 

That's pretty much where I'm at. It's a make or break offseason for Beane. You can't draft a QB number 7 and field a trash offense. He's got to make the right moves offensively. We shall see.

[GreggTX]

5 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

I realize all of this. I was not particularly impressed with his FA signings last season. I do not like the WR's he's acquired as a whole. I'm not 100 percent sure about the draft, but both first rounders have big POTENTIAL and Johnson was a steal. He did an OUTSTANDING job finding gems like Wallace and Foster. I have still yet to see him field a solid roster, which is why I'm not "sold." 

That's pretty much where I'm at. It's a make or break offseason for Beane. You can't draft a QB number 7 and field a trash offense. He's got to make the right moves offensively. We shall see.

 

5 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

I realize all of this. I was not particularly impressed with his FA signings last season. I do not like the WR's he's acquired as a whole. I'm not 100 percent sure about the draft, but both first rounders have big POTENTIAL and Johnson was a steal. He did an OUTSTANDING job finding gems like Wallace and Foster. I have still yet to see him field a solid roster, which is why I'm not "sold." 

That's pretty much where I'm at. It's a make or break offseason for Beane. You can't draft a QB number 7 and field a trash offense. He's got to make the right moves offensively. We shall see.

Good points. It's just too bad that both the draft and the FA market favor defense when our greatest need is offense.

[eball]

3 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Or perhaps I am just comfortable with the reality either way.

 

It's a hobby and entertainment...........I want to understand why it is and what to expect and I can be objective about it.

 

You know how the great athletes say "embrace the suck"........well the realistic Bills should do that with the Bills if necessary........or you end up like our resident apologists dying a thousand deaths while they hope for luck and fate to intervene in Bills results.

 

As for my screen name............don't expose your still-wet-rodent from the BBMB sinking ship nature..........I've been posting here since 1998 and have had plenty of encouraging things to say when it's deserved?.........there's just been this little "absence of success" thing.    Doesn't stop me from enjoying the game or the tailgating.

 

 

Unfortunately your know-it-all attitude removes much of the enjoyment from your discussion. If anyone doesn’t agree with you 100% you label them as an apologist or ridicule their opinion. That’s not fun. 

 

[LSHMEAB]

4 minutes ago, GreggTX said:

 

Good points. It's just too bad that both the draft and the FA market favor defense when our greatest need is offense.

I think the draft is top heavy defensively, but relatively deep at WR and OL. We generally don't do well if FA'cy going after WR's, but there are tight ends and OL available. The guy I'd love to see them go after on the line is Brown from NE. A)He's got the kind of physicality we're looking for and B)NE will set a price and not match if we come with a better offer. A lot of the other guys are likely to re-sign with their current teams. The receivers are gonna have to come through the draft most likely.

 

Also wouldn't mind seeing them take a flier on a guy like Maxx Williams from Baltimore. I think he's better than his numbers indicate and Baltimore drafted Hurst. He's a very realistic option. Won't excite a whole lot of people, but these kind of additions can help the overall talent level.