YoloinOhio Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 His name had been brought up a lot recently, especially after hiring Bobby Johnson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 I thought he was probably fools gold, at least to an extent. Plenty of targets still out there at G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 I'm relieved to see that he didn't get serious money; that makes me think that the OG market won't be utterly absurd money-wise...and I'd be happier with any of Saffold, Spain, or Foster than I'd have been with Glowinski. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Good. 100% fools gold. Keep him on an interior with Q and Ryan Kelly and he will look good. Put him with Bodine and Teller he will be a mess. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Thank God. Would of been a bad move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 25 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I am sure teams are Schefty...... but Glowinski is not proof of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 With the Colts having the most free cap space in the league, I wasn't expecting Glowinski to hit the market anyway. However, the OT and OG markets have been set with the recent deals of Massie and Glowinski. Given that FAs tend to get more than they're worth, we can expect an OT to fetch between 10 and 13 million per year. An OG should fetch between 6 and 10 million per year. I think if the Bills can find a way to sign a C and OT in Free Agency, a quality guard can be found in the 2nd-4th rounds of the draft. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 I liked Glowinski, but it's all good. I think Quinton Spain, AJ Cann, even and older guy like Matt Slauson would be huge upgrades. Center and right tackle upgrades would go a long way towards improving the guards. If we somehow signed Mitch Morse and Darryl Williams, I really wouldn't mind rolling with Wyatt Teller and Ike Boettger. If you plan on drafting a rookie RT, probably need a veteran RG to put him next to. A rookie center should be surrounded by more veteran players. Lot's of ways to upgrade the offensive line. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 ***** that blows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 No biggie. Colts have a ton of cap space and their GM is smart enough to hold onto his O line guys. Look more to teams that have impending cap issues for FAs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: His name had been brought up a lot recently, especially after hiring Bobby Johnson Booo....oh well on to the next guy, I know I liked AJ Cann coming out of college yet not followed how well he's played for the Jaguars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 58 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: I'm relieved to see that he didn't get serious money; that makes me think that the OG market won't be utterly absurd money-wise...and I'd be happier with any of Saffold, Spain, or Foster than I'd have been with Glowinski. Realistically I'm not sure Saffold doesn't follow suit and re-sign with LA - Spain or Foster may become available, but look for more teams to try and re-sign these guys. Beauty of FA - expectations and reality...but agreed, I was initially up on Glowinski, but can see how he might standout more in a bad way in our OL versus the Colts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Eh he wasn't someone I wanted. I expected him to get overpaid, that is actually a pretty fair deal for what he offers but I wouldn't have paid more than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Everyone panic immediately 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) Mark Glowinski, free agent guard for Indianapolis, who has been mentioned as a possible pickup for the Bills, is no longer a free agent. As per One Bills Live, he has signed a three year extension with Indianapolis. No link. Oops - missed Yolo's thread on the same subgect. Mods - please delete or merge. Edited January 29, 2019 by TigerJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Logic said: With the Colts having the most free cap space in the league, I wasn't expecting Glowinski to hit the market anyway. However, the OT and OG markets have been set with the recent deals of Massie and Glowinski. Given that FAs tend to get more than they're worth, we can expect an OT to fetch between 10 and 13 million per year. An OG should fetch between 6 and 10 million per year. I think if the Bills can find a way to sign a C and OT in Free Agency, a quality guard can be found in the 2nd-4th rounds of the draft. Great points on the cost of OL positions. The Bills ended the season with the 5 starters on the OL making a combined 8.2 million. Glowinski (a tick above an average guard at best) is getting 6 million a year by himself. I just say this in anticipation of Beane signing a couple of FA OL players and a whole bunch of posters saying he overpaid. On the other hand, Beane can't get all his OL players in FA, he has to combine vets and rookie contract guys to do it right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 40 minutes ago, ctk232 said: I was initially up on Glowinski, but can see how he might standout more in a bad way in our OL versus the Colts. Might? He did. On a bad Seattle line he looked pure trash and was cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 That sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 12 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Great points on the cost of OL positions. The Bills ended the season with the 5 starters on the OL making a combined 8.2 million. Glowinski (a tick above an average guard at best) is getting 6 million a year by himself. I just say this in anticipation of Beane signing a couple of FA OL players and a whole bunch of posters saying he overpaid. On the other hand, Beane can't get all his OL players in FA, he has to combine vets and rookie contract guys to do it right. Every year, without fail: If we DON'T sign quality players, people complain that the GM is sitting on his hands and doing nothing. If we DO sign quality players but overpay a bit to do it (because, ya know...that's how free agency works, especially when you're trying to lure players to a bad weather city that hasn't won in 20 years), people cry "WE OVERPAID!". Damned if you do, damned if you don't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 49 minutes ago, ctk232 said: Realistically I'm not sure Saffold doesn't follow suit and re-sign with LA - Spain or Foster may become available, but look for more teams to try and re-sign these guys. Beauty of FA - expectations and reality...but agreed, I was initially up on Glowinski, but can see how he might standout more in a bad way in our OL versus the Colts. Saffold could certainly re-sign. The guard that's almost certain to hit the market is Foster, and I think he'd be a great target for lesser money. The position I think will be the toughest to fill is center; have to figure Paradis re-signs in Denver, which means it's basically down to Morse as the only established starter on the market. I almost wonder if it wouldn't be a good idea to take a shot at a RFA like Boehm or Finney, knowing that Bodine would be the team's worst-case scenario as a starter. 3 minutes ago, Logic said: Every year, without fail: If we DON'T sign quality players, people complain that the GM is sitting on his hands and doing nothing. If we DO sign quality players but overpay a bit to do it (because, ya know...that's how free agency works, especially when you're trying to lure players to a bad weather city that hasn't won in 20 years), people cry "WE OVERPAID!". Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Overpay. Do it. In 2 years, it won't look like overpaying...plus, this team has very few (if any) players that will need big-money deals in the next 2 offseasons. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) I may be in the minority but I say move Teller to RG and Dion Dawkins to LG (as more mobile than Teller). Sign a FA Right Tackle (less expensive than LT) and draft a Left Tackle. As for C, can see them signing one and failing that, drafting one. Glowinski is strictly a RG so contract term and total $$ are less. For Bills, I feel Teller is better option. Edited January 29, 2019 by freddyjj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 58 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Everyone panic immediately When I opened my computer and saw Glowinski isn't going to be hitting the market.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) Good almost never does a guard change teams and get better on the new team. I mean big time FA guards. Edited January 29, 2019 by CuddyDark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) Man, I know nothing about o linemen. I never heard of him. We need to build an oline but I’ll be honest. O line talk is so boring. But thank you to the posters who know what they are talking about. my amateur opinion is get o linemen who are smart, tough, and mobile. No slow, soft, dummies need apply. Edited January 29, 2019 by C.Biscuit97 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 No Nelsons in this draft but plenty of solid Olinemen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 4 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: No Nelsons in this draft but plenty of solid Olinemen. Agree. I kind of feel that way in both offensive spots we have major needs - OL and WR - not much top end potentially elite type talent but lots and lots of mid-late 1st, 2nd and 3rd round guys who I can see "starting off the bus" and turning into pretty good players. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Agree. I kind of feel that way in both offensive spots we have major needs - OL and WR - not much top end potentially elite type talent but lots and lots of mid-late 1st, 2nd and 3rd round guys who I can see "starting off the bus" and turning into pretty good players. Definitely , AB was a late round pick, hopefully we get one without the headaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 13 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Definitely , AB was a late round pick, hopefully we get one without the headaches. Oh if we could find an AB in the 6th and get the production he has given Pittsburgh I wouldn't care if he gave me a constant migraine. He has been the best player in football over the past 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Just now, GunnerBill said: Oh if we could find an AB in the 6th and get the production he has given Pittsburgh I wouldn't care if he gave me a constant migraine. He has been the best player in football over the past 5 years. how about Isabella? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: how about Isabella? Late round slot and gadget type. Haven't seen much of him I mist be honest but I'd be stunned if he turned into Antonio Brown. That said I'd probably have been stunned if you told me Antonio Brown would turn into Antonio Brown... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Just now, GunnerBill said: Late round slot and gadget type. Haven't seen much of him I mist be honest but I'd be stunned if he turned into Antonio Brown. That said I'd probably have been stunned if you told me Antonio Brown would turn into Antonio Brown... True. That Doss kid looks good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 As I said recently and as I said during the season...even simply above average OL talent is not going to hit the market. It is too valuable of a position. Teams will let their WRs and RBs walk before they'd let their O lineman hit the open market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 51 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: The position I think will be the toughest to fill is center; have to figure Paradis re-signs in Denver, which means it's basically down to Morse as the only established starter on the market. I almost wonder if it wouldn't be a good idea to take a shot at a RFA like Boehm or Finney, knowing that Bodine would be the team's worst-case scenario as a starter. For sure - Center is a tough specific position to fill this year and I've been denying the looming potential that Bodine will end up as our starter next year. Now where I think we could make an impact there is via the draft with either Risner or Bradbury - certainly much higher on the former, and why I would hope for a trade back scenario to present itself and land Risner later in the first. Depending on how we fair in FA, Risner could plug in most anywhere on the line, but would highlight him for Center first - versatile, physical, aggressive, and smart guy who seemingly is interested in the culture being built here. I liked his tangibles and demonstrated ability in the senior bowl and practices therein, but also no guarantee that either the value or the player himself are there for us when we pick. If we do miss out on Paradis and Morse - why not throw some money offers at Kalil and see what happens. It's likely we overpay to get either Paradis or Morse here anyway, but if Kalil could be enticed for just a bit more, I could see potential for at least attempting it. Otherwise we'll need to be digging for a guy which may result in money being better spent elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Joe in Winslow said: Everyone panic immediately I wish I had seen this sooner.....Am I too late? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 6 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said: As I said recently and as I said during the season...even simply above average OL talent is not going to hit the market. It is too valuable of a position. Teams will let their WRs and RBs walk before they'd let their O lineman hit the open market. I think Foster, Morse and Spain will hit the market. Paradis possibly not but if he doesn't Billy Turner will who has some T/G flex and would still be a significant upgrade on what we have - particularly at G. Ju'wuan James is going to hit the market at RT that is considered pretty much a given and he would be a big upgrade at RT. The teams who will re-sign their OL FAs are the guys who don't already have big money tied up there. You can't pay all 5. So if you have say 3 guys on that line already paid (Pittsburgh position on Foster) or about to come up for renewal (the Titans position on Spain with their centre and right tackle both due to be paid next year) then sometimes you have no choice but to let a good player walk. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: I think Foster, Morse and Spain will hit the market. Paradis possibly not but if he doesn't Billy Turner will who has some T/G flex and would still be a significant upgrade on what we have - particularly at G. Ju'wuan James is going to hit the market at RT that is considered pretty much a given and he would be a big upgrade at RT. The teams who will re-sign their OL FAs are the guys who don't already have big money tied up there. You can't pay all 5. So if you have say 3 guys on that line already paid (Pittsburgh position on Foster) or about to come up for renewal (the Titans position on Spain with their centre and right tackle both due to be paid next year) then sometimes you have no choice but to let a good player walk. ...and ya know Gunner, it's kind of like the old adage...we don't need all of the OL in FA, we just really need two. Get two guys and draft two guys who can come in right away, to go along with the 1-2 solid options you currently have iand it shapes things up nicely. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 38 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said: ...and ya know Gunner, it's kind of like the old adage...we don't need all of the OL in FA, we just really need two. Get two guys and draft two guys who can come in right away, to go along with the 1-2 solid options you currently have iand it shapes things up nicely. Go after Trent Brown.. Move Dawkins to LG. Upgrade two positions with one signing. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 1 hour ago, thebandit27 said: Saffold could certainly re-sign. I 'm worried about that as well.I thought the Rams were tapped,it turns out they are 37 million under the '19 cap. If we land him,we will have to over pay.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 1 hour ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: Thanks for taking the time. Honest mistake by the OP looks like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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