CaptnCoke11 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 So we hate Barnwell now i guess? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Just now, CaptnCoke11 said: So we hate Barnwell now i guess? Ā 3 years running now. Ā YepĀ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 My early prediction was 6-5-5, so this isn't far off 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Who? The guy that was on Shlop and the bullcrapper today?Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 9 minutes ago, beerme1 said: This is a guy Mike Schopp likes to schlop on about so there's that for smart people.Ā Heās actually pretty good at predicting things if you donāt pretend he just hates the Bills. Ā Super boring podcast but he is one of the best analytical nerds out there. 3 minutes ago, The Drought said: My early prediction was 6-5-5, so this isn't far off Still a winning record! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 57 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said: Maybe. But that defense did hold the Jags to 10 points ( 7 of which came on a 4th down play) on their home field.Ā Ā Well with that crowd I am not sure how much it was a home game.Ā I heard most of their fans were arguing whose turn next in hot tub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Who? The guy that was on Shlop and the bullcrapper today? Also, for your info he said he thought Josh was and still is a real bad QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 1 minute ago, fansince88 said: Who? The guy that was on Shlop and the bullcrapper today? Also, for your info he said he thought Josh was and still is a real bad QB. If Josh Allen was on any other team, we would think he was a bad qb.Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: If Josh Allen was on any other team, we would think he was a bad qb.Ā Ā ....but heās not, so heās not!Ā Ā This stuff can be fun, but itās all an exercise in futility. Free agency and the draft cannot come soon enough!Ā 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: If Josh Allen was on any other team, we would think he was a bad qb.Ā Ā If Josh Allen was on any other team you would think he was a good QB.Ā Ā You are not part of "we" since you already do think he is and have been trying to convince us since he was signed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Ā If Josh Allen was on any other team you would think he was a good QB.Ā Ā You are not part of "we" since you already do think he is and have been trying to convince us since he was signed. Sensitive. Ā Youāre right. Bills fans are super objective over Rosen, Jackson, and Darnold. Ā Youāre a homer and itās great. Ā I used to be and Iām objective. Ā But while he was certainly was exciting, Allen has a bunch of work to do as do all the other rookie QBs.Ā Edited January 29, 2019 by C.Biscuit97 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 3 hours ago, EmotionallyUnstable said: Given the last twenty years of data, Iād say heās about right on.Ā Ā Thats my guessĀ for the 21st straight year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 6-10 Ā old school Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 I think he's clueless about Beane's plans for the off season and Josh Allen's development in his second season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnycage46 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: Sensitive. Ā Youāre right. Bills fans are super objective over Rosen, Jackson, and Darnold. Ā Youāre a homer and itās great. Ā But while he was certainly was exciting, Allen has a bunch of work to do as do all the other rookie QBs.Ā Waahhhhhhh.Ā I still dont understand why fans of teams other than the Bills come on here.Ā It's a free country but I just dont get why people dont go on boards for their teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 1 hour ago, ScottLaw said: Did you read it?Ā Ā He projected the Vegas over/under projections for the Bills.Ā Ā It is a pretty dumb article and goes to show how much time people who work at ESPN have on their hands, but he gave his reasons for why he thinks 6 will be the over/under. They weren't far fetched reasonings at all. Correct. He's attempting to predict the Vegas o/u for 2019-20. My guess (haven't seen the current listings) is that if the Bills do open at 6 wins it'll get pushed up pretty quickly, but maybe that's the fan in me talking.Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 14 minutes ago, TigerJ said: I think he's clueless about Beane's plans for the off season and Josh Allen's development in his second season. Ā Like the other 31 teams are quaking in theirĀ snowshoes over these big threats? Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 I guess weāre going to have to go ahead and play the games to find out.Ā 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 3 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said: Youāre 5ā8, Asian and post pics of your feet onĀ the Internet. Ā I bet he flies to your house and says it. Ā 5"8 LOL.Ā 5"8 is not nearly 6 foot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, BillsfaninSB said: http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25834281/predicting-2019-vegas-win-totals-unders-all-32-nfl-teams#buf Ā That would be very disappointing.Ā Ā Ā This has probably been said many times by now, but he isn't predicting how many wins teams will have. Ā Here's what he said: Ā "I'm going to give my projections for where those over/under marks will land when the books open their 2019 totals for betting. This is not my projection of how each team will finish in 2019. I'll have my own thoughts on that as we hit the summer. This is merely trying to estimate what Vegas will set as the average expectation for each of the league's 32 teams in 2019 this spring. " Ā I don't know when the books open but well before the season. Ā Edited January 29, 2019 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, ProcessTruster said: the over / under is 8 with today's roster based on how they exited the last quarter of the season; clearly it is 9 post-draft and FA as they are not losing anyone (other than Kyle) to FA this year who matters.Ā So its only gain in terms of next years roster vs the roster that performed well for the last 4 games.Ā Ā Ā I'd go play next years schedule with the current roster and probably win 8 games.Ā The only thing that happened bad this year was they needed about 3 or 4 more games to play.... Ā Trust the Process.Ā Ā Barring serious injuries to irreplaceable players like QB or half your o lineĀ (which trashes any teams season) , next year is going to be great.Ā Ā I don't think we're an 8 win team as it stands today. I think the 6.5 over/under is pretty fair with the current roster. The Bills certainly have an opportunity to plug their gaping holes with quality players but we'll see if they actually do it. Ā If anything, the Pats game at the end of the year showed how far we still have to go. They almost looked bored in that game and were in total control, especially dominating inĀ the trenches on both sides.Ā Edited January 29, 2019 by HomeskillitMoorman 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 3 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said: Turnovers are fluky is the exact same thing that was said lastĀ offseason. Ā Teams with playmakers take the ball away consistantly. And that is something we didnāt do well.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, Chemical said: Ā 3-13 was a great prediction for last year considering who was starting the season at QB Ā Ā Barnwell predicted 6.4 wins last year. On July 21st. Ā http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/20114211/the-nfl-stats-matter-most-2017-offseason-bill-barnwell Ā Just sayin'. Ā Ā Ā And again, for the apparent large majority who commented on an article without reading it ... the article this thread is about is NOT a prediction of next year's win total, only a guess of what the Vegas over-under will be when the opening lines come out, which will probably be well before the season. Ā Ā Ā Ā Edited January 29, 2019 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 I take the over.Ā Easy money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said: Ā Ā Barnwell predicted 6.4 wins last year. On July 21st. Ā http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/20114211/the-nfl-stats-matter-most-2017-offseason-bill-barnwell Ā Just sayin'. Ā Ā Ā And again, for the apparent large majority who commented on an article without reading it ... the article this thread is about is NOT a prediction of next year's win total, only a guess of what the Vegas over-under will be when the opening lines come out, which will probably be well before the season. Ā Ā Ā Ā Predicting 6.4 wins in the NFL is the height of statistical pretentiousness.Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 6 hours ago, PIZ said: I would said that's a good prediction for 2018, but 2019 will be much better in my opinion.Ā Get the OL taken care of, add a few WRs, a RB, a DT, a CB, and a LB and they'll get 10 wins.Ā With FA and the draft, they should be in good shape in 2019. Ā Ā Wow. That's a lot to get. Ā I fully expect some growing pains next year but believe we'll be an 8 or 9 win team. Still, we haven't had the draft or free agency yet. This team will look quite different by next preseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Ā 19 and 0 baby!!! Ā GO Ā BILLSSS!!!! ?????? . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 5 hours ago, Chemical said: 3-13 was a great prediction for last year considering who was starting the season at QB Ā It's pretty obvious that it wasn't. Anyone who thought the Bills were a 3 win team did not know a thing about the Bills (including silly Bills fans who predicted that). Ā The Bills were obviously going to regress, but with a good defense (and we all knew the defense would be better) predicting 6 or 7 wins made sense. Less than that didn't make sense at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninSB Posted January 29, 2019 Author Share Posted January 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said: Ā Ā Barnwell predicted 6.4 wins last year. On July 21st. Ā http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/20114211/the-nfl-stats-matter-most-2017-offseason-bill-barnwell Ā Just sayin'. Ā Ā Ā And again, for the apparent large majority who commented on an article without reading it ... the article this thread is about is NOT a prediction of next year's win total, only a guess of what the Vegas over-under will be when the opening lines come out, which will probably be well before the season. Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Yes itās true he is predicting what Vegas will post as the O/U but his only source is his own opinion of the team right now. Ā His take may change in July but I bet if he was asked now, 6Ā wins or something close to it would be his answer. Ā Read his review of the Bills in the article. Ā Not very positive.Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 4 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: If Josh Allen was on any other team, we would think he was a bad qb.Ā Only if we were ignorant fans who never saw him play like some of the morons with internet sites from their mother's basement who look only at his stats and trash him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Ā Ā 4 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said: Turnovers are fluky is the exact same thing that was said lastĀ offseason. Ā Teams with playmakers take the ball away consistantly. 20 minutes ago, iinii said: And that is something we didnāt do well.... Ā Ā Tied for 8th in takeaways? That's doing it pretty well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 6 hours ago, Chemical said: Ā 3-13 was a great prediction for last year considering who was starting the season at QB Only for someone without a clue.Ā Just about everyone who could read knew the schedule was backloaded with easier games in November and December when Peterman would be on the bench at best unless he had won some of the tougher games, making 3 wins a pretty stupid pick. Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 1 hour ago, GoBills808 said: Predicting 6.4 wins in the NFL is the height of statistical pretentiousness.Ā Ā Ā No, it's just the result of a mathematical process rather than one based on feelings and pure guesswork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, BillsfaninSB said: Ā Yes itās true he is predicting what Vegas will post as the O/U but his only source is his own opinion of the team right now. Ā His take may change in July but I bet if he was asked now, 6Ā wins or something close to it would be his answer. Ā Read his review of the Bills in the article. Ā Not very positive.Ā Ā Ā He's not relying on his opinon of the team at all for those numbers, not one bit, in either article. Ā In the original article he's relying on his opinions of Vegas and how they predict bettors will act. In my article he goes through a bunch of statistical measures from last 2017 to predict 2018 outcomes, a method which he says has worked well for him in past years to predict the next year's results, and he was almost exactly on target, predicting 6.4 wins when actual results were 6. Ā And I don't blame him for being negative about last year's Bills. We weren't good. He says good things about the defense, very reasonably and expresses doubt about whether we'll be able to help Allen enough on offense in a year in which both draft and FA are a bit weak on the offensive side. Reasonable, especially when it's trying to figure how bettors and Vegas will see things well before the season. Ā Bet what you want, but don't act as if your guess about his future work is something you can reasonably comment on as far as it having anything to do with him. He might guess close to six nearer the season. But he might not. Edited January 29, 2019 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 9 hours ago, BillsfaninSB said: http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25834281/predicting-2019-vegas-win-totals-unders-all-32-nfl-teams#buf Ā That would be very disappointing.Ā It's January. How is this relevant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, MJS said: Ā It's pretty obvious that it wasn't. Anyone who thought the Bills were a 3 win team did not know a thing about the Bills (including silly Bills fans who predicted that). Ā The Bills were obviously going to regress, but with a good defense (and we all knew the defense would be better) predicting 6 or 7 wins made sense. Less than that didn't make sense at all. Ā In reality three wins seemed very optimistic at early points in theĀ Ā season. Ā easy to say now that you knewĀ it would be such a triumphant compiling of all those wins..... ? Ā Bills wereĀ reduced to sending Derek ***** Anderson out there to take on the Pats. Ā And some people on here werenāt laughing. Ā Ā Edited January 29, 2019 by row_33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, iinii said: And that is something we didnāt do well.... I think we took it away plenty, we just gave it away to much. 2 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Tied for 8th in takeaways? That's doing it pretty well. Thanks For the assist. Ā I swear someĀ of these people dontĀ watch the games. Edited January 29, 2019 by formerlyofCtown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 7 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: If Josh Allen was on any other team, we would think he was a bad qb.Ā Who is this we you speak of? You got a mouse in your pocket? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Here's what he wrote last year around the same timeĀ Ā http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22146300/predicting-2018-vegas-win-totals-all-32-nfl-teams-unders-season Ā He wasn't too far off. Buffalo Bills Projected 2018 over/under:Ā 7 wins Ā Ā While the Bills shocked the world and made it to the playoffs at 9-7, their Pythagorean expectation was for a 6.4-win team, suggesting they're extremely likely to decline in 2018. If they decide to turn the quarterback position over toĀ Nathan Peterman, seven wins might be a tall order. My best guess is that the Bills will use their two first-round picks to trade up and grab a passer; but unless the incoming signal-caller plays like a superstar and props up the rest of the team, Sean McDermott's squad might take a step backward before it takes a step forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 If Allen takes a step forward we will be contenders no matter who the coach is or who we have around him. If Allen takes a step back, o/u 6 wins in accurate and we get a new coaching regimeĀ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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