IgotBILLStopay Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 https://www.forbes.com/sites/billwilliamson/2019/01/07/teams-that-make-sense-to-trade-for-antonio-brown/#1518a7c25e12 Quote The Steelers probably would get a chuckle out of sending Brown all the way up to Buffalo as well. Where the hell did that come from? What makes Pittsburgh so much more desirable than Buffalo? Why is that comment only for Buffalo and not for, say, Detroit? Per Forbes.com's own website (this is place for doing business ranking and not a livability ranking - but still are the two cities really that different (#94 vs. #101 - Detroit is #178)? Buffalo, NY Buffalo-Cheektowaga-Niagara Falls, NY Metropolitan Statistical Area At a Glance · Population: 1,136,100 · Major Industries: Financial services, Technology, Education · Gross Metro Product: $84.7 B · Median Household Income: $54,124 · Median Home Price: $149,000 · Unemployment: 5.1% · Job Growth (2017): 0.8% · Cost of Living: 11% below nat'l avg · College Attainment: 32.5% · Net Migration (2017): -120 Forbes Lists: #101 Best Places for Business and Careers · #19 in Cost of Doing Business · #169 in Job Growth · #84 in Education Pittsburgh, PA Pittsburgh, PA Metropolitan Statistical Area At a Glance · Population: 2,334,800 · Major Industries: Health care, Technology, Bio-science · Gross Metro Product: $158 B · Median Household Income: $59,130 · Median Home Price: $147,000 · Unemployment: 4.4% · Job Growth (2017): 1.1% · Cost of Living: 7% below nat'l avg · College Attainment: 35.1% · Net Migration (2017): 750 Forbes Lists: #94 Best Places for Business and Careers · #134 in Cost of Doing Business · #184 in Job Growth · #66 in Education Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Meh. Let it go. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 the Steelers as a franchise are exponentially better to play for but even that isn’t paradise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 (edited) Buffalo sucks. Get over it. This is for your own good. Edited January 12, 2019 by LeGOATski 2 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 1 minute ago, LeGOATski said: Buffalo sucks. Get over it. This is for your own good. My road trips led me to Cleveland and Detroit and Buffalo. The rust belt triangle of sheer misery in many ways, the people were the best though. a rich man I used to know would only go to games in warm weather climates to watch great teams. always felt sorry for him 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, row_33 said: My road trips led me to Cleveland and Detroit and Buffalo. The rust belt triangle of sheer misery in many ways, the people were the best though. a rich man I used to know would only go to games in warm weather climates to watch great teams. always felt sorry for him The NFL's Bermuda Triangle. Don't go there. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 1 hour ago, LeGOATski said: The NFL's Bermuda Triangle. Don't go there. I enjoyed every minute and miss it. maybe the Lions were 0-22 for the games at Pontiac and downtown Motown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 If you love Buffalo you should probably want the negative outside perspective to persist. You don't want all the outsiders to move in, do you? 2 7 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 7 minutes ago, MJS said: If you love Buffalo you should probably want the negative outside perspective to persist. You don't want all the outsiders to move in, do you? I don’t fear a bandwagon effect coming for a few more years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 (edited) 35 minutes ago, MJS said: If you love Buffalo you should probably want the negative outside perspective to persist. You don't want all the outsiders to move in, do you? What’s the name for ‘Yuppies 2020’? You know, the ones that will be buying seat licenses in the new downtown domed stadium, and renting $3000 a month converted lofts. ? Edited January 12, 2019 by Ridgewaycynic2013 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Juice_32 said: Sad that so much of what that movie predicted came true. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreboding Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Buffalo could become Pittsburgh with some more leadership and more Pegula dollars. Downtown Pitt at the 3 rivers is nice. Both cities have nice people. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 (edited) Cost of Doing Business is the big drawback. ----> New York State. hmm, actually I got that bass ackwards. High on that scale is good, so now I'm puzzled. Edited January 12, 2019 by hemma 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Brown could do so much for this team, and if process was so important, why did we keep McCoy? He doesn't meet this model, but we keep him until the end of his contract. If we picked up Hunt as RB after week 6 and Brown, and possibly two guards in free agency, we immediately change the offense. The draft can take care of the rest of the O Line, and yes we use the top two draft picks on lineman. We can choose BPA after that. I don't condone what Hunt is accused of doing, but as far as I know this was the only strike against him, and if he cleans up his act from now on, he would be an incredible down field runner, and use McCoy's talent not only horizontally where he dodges LB's, but vastly increase his pass catching ability, because once in open space is dangerous. We can completely change this team with these moves. We would still have money for the draft, emergency fund, and hold some back for the next year extensions. Also, AB's contract is up when Allen's first year is coming up in 2021 and could still place a fifth year on him as well as Edmunds. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Maybe the Bills of old led by Ralph Wilson was a horrible place to be sent to. Bad team, cheap owner, bad coaching, no respect. Im probably biased but things are different now. The Pegulas and Beane have a plan. The best is yet to come! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Buffalo has an 18 year history of mediocrity on the football field interupted by one playoff berth last year, when they were one and done. I love the Bills and am optimistic for their future, but if one wants to, there are always grounds to knock the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Don’t forget it is obvious we had the #2 defense, and almost all but KW will return and are young, the #1 pass defense. Everyone has opined both in the media and on this board, we are desperately in need of an O Line, and skill players. We improved with Foster, McKenzie, and Jones when not having a wrist problem like last year. If we had an O Line, and Skill Players, we could be dangerous in the playoffs. Why wouldn’t excellent players that see something special here, with a young and very talented QB and Staff coming here. There may be a lot of taxes in NYS, but the cost of living is low and players usually leave after the season, when the weather is worst. i bet we pick up some excellent players this off season and can pay them well with the second highest cap space in the NFL, and a young team. This isn’t a team that is aging and on the decline. NYJ, and Miami are a mess, and Brady is showing signs of age. I bet when he retires Belicheck either becomes the GM only or retires. The next following years are up to the Bills to own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 47 minutes ago, hemma said: Cost of Doing Business is the big drawback. ----> New York State. hmm, actually I got that bass ackwards. High on that scale is good, so now I'm puzzled. im sure NYS gives tax breaks to businesses moving in. its the people who live there that get screwed. my original intention was to retire to the finger lakes, but I just cant afford to do it. my in-laws pay a special tax just because they have a view of Lake Keuka. A view tax. they're like 5 miles from the actual lake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Just now, JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS said: im sure NYS gives tax breaks to businesses moving in. its the people who live there that get screwed. my original intention was to retire to the finger lakes, but I just cant afford to do it. my in-laws pay a special tax just because they have a view of Lake Keuka. A view tax. they're like 5 miles from the actual lake. Now that's a wow. If I got that tax bill in the mail, I think my head would explode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said: https://www.forbes.com/sites/billwilliamson/2019/01/07/teams-that-make-sense-to-trade-for-antonio-brown/#1518a7c25e12 Where the hell did that come from? What makes Pittsburgh so much more desirable than Buffalo? Why is that comment only for Buffalo and not for, say, Detroit? Per Forbes.com's own website (this is place for doing business ranking and not a livability ranking - but still are the two cities really that different (#94 vs. #101 - Detroit is #178)? Buffalo, NY Buffalo-Cheektowaga-Niagara Falls, NY Metropolitan Statistical Area At a Glance · Population: 1,136,100 · Major Industries: Financial services, Technology, Education · Gross Metro Product: $84.7 B · Median Household Income: $54,124 · Median Home Price: $149,000 · Unemployment: 5.1% · Job Growth (2017): 0.8% · Cost of Living: 11% below nat'l avg · College Attainment: 32.5% · Net Migration (2017): -120 Forbes Lists: #101 Best Places for Business and Careers · #19 in Cost of Doing Business · #169 in Job Growth · #84 in Education Pittsburgh, PA Pittsburgh, PA Metropolitan Statistical Area At a Glance · Population: 2,334,800 · Major Industries: Health care, Technology, Bio-science · Gross Metro Product: $158 B · Median Household Income: $59,130 · Median Home Price: $147,000 · Unemployment: 4.4% · Job Growth (2017): 1.1% · Cost of Living: 7% below nat'l avg · College Attainment: 35.1% · Net Migration (2017): 750 Forbes Lists: #94 Best Places for Business and Careers · #134 in Cost of Doing Business · #184 in Job Growth · #66 in Education A lot of us got the hell out of western NY as well. Edited January 12, 2019 by formerlyofCtown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Forbes is a business publication. From a business standpoint, NYS will Always lag PA because of energy production, and cost of doing business. Ask the Pegula's about fracking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 5 hours ago, row_33 said: the Steelers as a franchise are exponentially better to play for but even that isn’t paradise Yes, I think that would be the chuckle - sending him from a HOF QB in a franchise with a long track record of success, to a rookie who barely got north of 50% completions in a franchise with a long recent record of mediocrity. Sort of like KB taking a shot at Cam when he's about to catch passes from Peterman 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 1 hour ago, foreboding said: Buffalo could become Pittsburgh with some more leadership and more Pegula dollars. Downtown Pitt at the 3 rivers is nice. Both cities have nice people. Buffalo could become Pittsburgh when more industry moves back in. Pittsburgh has transitioned from a steel mill city, seemingly destined to rot away, to a lively city due to financial and insurance industry having a large presence in the region. A lot of this also has to do with state taxes, which everything north of NYC is screwed. So, it will take more than just Pegula dollars; even he can only do so much. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 35 minutes ago, JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS said: my original intention was to retire to the finger lakes, but I just cant afford to do it. my in-laws pay a special tax just because they have a view of Lake Keuka. A view tax. they're like 5 miles from the actual lake. what? oh please tell me you’re kidding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 I really liked the “Major Industries” for Buffalo. Financial Services, Technology, Education. ...basically collections, Ingram (which is half call center), and UB. Looking great. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geo in Pa Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 I work in downtown Pittsburgh, and it always suprised me how many more tall buildings there are here compared to Buffalo. The skylines are not even close, a coworker was in Buffalo recently and he was lost, he couldn't believe there were no tall buildings. I told him it's because the winds coming off the lake makes it impossible to have them, he believed me. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 13 minutes ago, Mango said: I really liked the “Major Industries” for Buffalo. Financial Services, Technology, Education. ...basically collections, Ingram (which is half call center), and UB. Looking great. M&T Bank, yo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Why pile on? If you don’t like it here and have moved on, well bully for you! If you’re gone and still complaining that’s more of an indictment of your character than of Buffalo’s. Buffalo/WNY is a great place to work, live, and raise a family. The sense of community is second to none. The taxes are somewhat offset by the cost of living. People will always complain about taxes, sure, but when it snows three feet overnight I always make it to work in the morning. My garbage and yard brush are always taken from the side of the road. Our State University system holds value across the country. Every city in the country can’t be LA, Dallas or Miami, you do realize this, no? Don’t tapdance on your roots because you think you’re somehow better than us for leaving. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 30 minutes ago, Mango said: I really liked the “Major Industries” for Buffalo. Financial Services, Technology, Education. ...basically collections, Ingram (which is half call center), and UB. Looking great. Pittsburgh kind of has an amazing history for huge money. The view at the baseball game out to centre is a remarkable display of office towers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 7 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said: https://www.forbes.com/sites/billwilliamson/2019/01/07/teams-that-make-sense-to-trade-for-antonio-brown/#1518a7c25e12 Where the hell did that come from? What makes Pittsburgh so much more desirable than Buffalo? Why is that comment only for Buffalo and not for, say, Detroit? Per Forbes.com's own website (this is place for doing business ranking and not a livability ranking - but still are the two cities really that different (#94 vs. #101 - Detroit is #178)? Buffalo, NY Buffalo-Cheektowaga-Niagara Falls, NY Metropolitan Statistical Area At a Glance · Population: 1,136,100 · Major Industries: Financial services, Technology, Education · Gross Metro Product: $84.7 B · Median Household Income: $54,124 · Median Home Price: $149,000 · Unemployment: 5.1% · Job Growth (2017): 0.8% · Cost of Living: 11% below nat'l avg · College Attainment: 32.5% · Net Migration (2017): -120 Forbes Lists: #101 Best Places for Business and Careers · #19 in Cost of Doing Business · #169 in Job Growth · #84 in Education Pittsburgh, PA Pittsburgh, PA Metropolitan Statistical Area At a Glance · Population: 2,334,800 · Major Industries: Health care, Technology, Bio-science · Gross Metro Product: $158 B · Median Household Income: $59,130 · Median Home Price: $147,000 · Unemployment: 4.4% · Job Growth (2017): 1.1% · Cost of Living: 7% below nat'l avg · College Attainment: 35.1% · Net Migration (2017): 750 Forbes Lists: #94 Best Places for Business and Careers · #134 in Cost of Doing Business · #184 in Job Growth · #66 in Education I blame Johnny Carson, but you should just let it go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 6 minutes ago, row_33 said: Pittsburgh kind of has an amazing history for huge money. The view at the baseball game out to centre is a remarkable display of office towers. I love buffalo. Don’t get me wrong. It’s my hometown and generally under rated. But let’s call a spade a spade. Pittsburgh is a cool town with more going for it than Buffalo. They do have a history of money. They also have a world class (top 5-10 in the world of not better) university in Carnegie Mellon. That is in addition to Pitt and Duquesne. Driving there does suck though. Cleveland seems to be doing a good job as well. Always seems like there is a lot going on whenever I am there for work. 31 minutes ago, RiotAct said: M&T Bank, yo. Buffalo has some of the most debt collection agencies in the country. We have a low income need, and low skilled workforce. Debt collectors love it here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mango said: Cleveland seems to be doing a good job as well. Always seems like there is a lot going on whenever I am there for work. Had a great weekend in Cleve this past summer. If anything, seemed to be catching up to Buffalo a bit. By that I mean they are starting to take off with smaller breweries/restaurants and boho style neighborhoods. Also noticed a lot of older buildings in the process of being “reclaimed” for living and working spaces. Very similar to Buff in the last 5-10 years, by drawing people back into the city center from the suburbs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 7 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said: Where the hell did that come from? What makes Pittsburgh so much more desirable than Buffalo? Why is that comment only for Buffalo and not for, say, Detroit? Your skin is way too thin. The reference to Buffalo is because Brown wants to go to a larger, more cosmopolitan market than Pittsburgh. Sending him to smaller Buffalo instead would be the ultimate F.U. to a bad teammate... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 To be a fan of a small market franchise, one must have context and perspective or else itll be a long tenure.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 I'm outraged about something, just can't remember why. I'll let you know if I remember. And everyone should watch out, because I'll still be on the lookout for other offending matters. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreboding Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Happy Gilmore said: Buffalo could become Pittsburgh when more industry moves back in. Pittsburgh has transitioned from a steel mill city, seemingly destined to rot away, to a lively city due to financial and insurance industry having a large presence in the region. A lot of this also has to do with state taxes, which everything north of NYC is screwed. So, it will take more than just Pegula dollars; even he can only do so much. Yeah. Buffalo is far from the power center where all the (dumb) decisions are made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Don’t seethe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 So many sensitive people getting dramatic over such nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Mango said: I love buffalo. Don’t get me wrong. It’s my hometown and generally under rated. But let’s call a spade a spade. Pittsburgh is a cool town with more going for it than Buffalo. They do have a history of money. They also have a world class (top 5-10 in the world of not better) university in Carnegie Mellon. That is in addition to Pitt and Duquesne. Driving there does suck though. Cleveland seems to be doing a good job as well. Always seems like there is a lot going on whenever I am there for work. Buffalo has some of the most debt collection agencies in the country. We have a low income need, and low skilled workforce. Debt collectors love it here. I really like going to Pittsburgh. Really pretty city. But man, some of the least attractive women of any decent sized city I’ve ever seen. Boston is up there. For its size, Buffalo has a good collection of cute women. and generally, people who try to put down cities are losers. I’ll put my experiences in Buffalo growing up against almost place. I loved growing up there and imo, it’s in the best shape it’s ever been. Very proud of the city it’s beckmknf. It’s taken forever but it’s actually looks like a real city. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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