Ravens at Chargers 8pm NFLN

[CommonCents]

Mike Williams still bad but more importantly let’s talk about Tyrell. Is he playing tonight? This guy would be a terrible waste of money in FA.

[MrEpsYtown]

5 minutes ago, CommonCents said:

Mike Williams still bad but more importantly let’s talk about Tyrell. Is he playing tonight? This guy would be a terrible waste of money in FA.

 

Yeah I don't see it with him. He's put up numbers but doesn't seem like anything special. Reminds me of that one time Andre Holmes had like 700 yards recieving. 

Edited December 23, 2018 by MrEpsYtown

[CommonCents]

Just now, MrEpsYtown said:

 

Yeah I don't see it with him. He's put up numbers but doesn't seem like anything special. Reminds me of that one time Andre Holmes had like 700 yards recieving. 

His first target in a big game comes halfway through the 4th quarter... never mind he is facing the third DB?! Stay away!

[MrEpsYtown]

2 minutes ago, CommonCents said:

His first target in a big game comes halfway through the 4th quarter... never mind he is facing the third DB?! Stay away!

 

[YoloinOhio]

Did they just punt from the ravens 40?

[Boatdrinks]

Rivers whining after the sack is a joke. That was about as merciful as a hit on the QB can be, even by today’s wussified standard. 

[/dev/null]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

Did they just punt from the ravens 40?

Yes, and pinned them inside the 1

[Augie]

The Charger ST player with yellow shoes just gave me a weird flashback, not in a good way. I think you know what I mean....

[Malazan]

Welp.

[Boatdrinks]

Fumble 

[26CornerBlitz]

Fumble, clear recovery, and a TD!

[/dev/null]

1 minute ago, Augie said:

The Charger ST player with yellow shoes just gave me a weird flashback, not in a good way. I think you know what I mean....

 

 

[SCBills]

Playing in LA, Chargers are 11-3, referee says TD Baltimore, crowd goes wild..

[Shortchaz]

Answers the question, would you rather have a good defense and a good offense or a great defense and an okay offense.

[billspro]

7 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Playing in LA, Chargers are 11-3, referee says TD Baltimore, crowd goes wild..

 

Impressive they can win 11 games with 16 road games. Weird situation.

 

And I know that is technically their home field but there is usually more away fans.

Edited December 23, 2018 by billspro

[KD in CA]

2 minutes ago, Shortchaz said:

Answers the question, would you rather have a good defense and a good offense or a great defense and an okay offense.

 

All around 'good' might get you to the playoffs, but not much further.

 

A great unit can carry a team.   Any O lead by a future HOF QB or a Giants/Ravens/Seahawks level D

[TheFunPolice]

I want NE the 3rd seed and the Ravens the 6th

[whatdrought]

Bears V. Ravens in the big dance?

 

Defense > Offense in December.

 

1 minute ago, TheFunPolice said:

I want NE the 3rd seed and the Ravens the 6th

 

Could be fun to watch.

 

But Billy takes away what you do best... if they can’t run, who are the Ravens?

Edited December 23, 2018 by whatdrought

[87168]

1 minute ago, whatdrought said:

Bears V. Ravens in the big dance?

 

Defense > Offense in December.

 

 

Could be fun to watch.

 

But Billy takes away what you do best... if they can’t run, who are the Ravens?

a team with a stand up defense and passing threats...?

[YoloinOhio]

3 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

Bears V. Ravens in the big dance?

 

Defense > Offense in December.

 

 

Could be fun to watch.

 

But Billy takes away what you do best... if they can’t run, who are the Ravens?

Pats are terrible vs mobile QBs ...giving up like 6.4 YAC to QBs

[Rico]

Poor, poor Joe Flacco.

[Golden Goat]

1 minute ago, Rico said:

Poor, poor Joe Flacco.

He made $20 mil+ this year. Wish I were that poor.

[whatdrought]

21 minutes ago, 87168 said:

a team with a stand up defense and passing threats...?

 

Haven’t seen yet how Jackson can do without the run. I hope he would be fine, but then it gets into the “rookie QB versus Bellicheck” deal.

[Talley56]

Ravens fans just became huge Saints fans.  Also, if the Ravens win the division, they could meet the Chargers again in two weeks.

Edited December 23, 2018 by Talley56

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

6 hours ago, 87168 said:

passing threats...?

 

Ahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaa

 

hooooo oh man... wait, you were serious?

[Chicken Boo]

10 hours ago, BillsRdue said:

There's a night and day difference between Baltimore's D and the Bills D. 

 

Yes.  Yes there is.

[Mr. WEO]

11 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

They most likely won't have a home playoff game if they lose the division.  The NFL's worst nightmare is the Chargers getting home field throughout the playoffs with the prospect of the conference championship game played with 28,000 fans in the stands.

 

 

It being the Chargers, they would be lucky to get that many.

[machine gun kelly]

I was so bummed the Chargers lost.  I was hoping for Rivers and Lynn’s sake They pulled out the #1 seed, vs. the 5 th.

[Mr. WEO]

5 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

I was so bummed the Chargers lost.  I was hoping for Rivers and Lynn’s sake They pulled out the #1 seed, vs. the 5 th.

 

 

I honestly thought the Chargers were going to kill the Ravens.  The Chargers D is pretty good, so I figured the Ravens down a few scores and there would be no way Jackson could keep up via passing--he's awful at it.  

[YoloinOhio]

Ravens just really shut down the chargers offense and made more big plays. Chargers defense played pretty well. 

 

Shows how much worse the chiefs and Steelers defenses are 

Edited December 23, 2018 by YoloinOhio

[Rico]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Ravens just really shut down the chargers offense and made more big plays. Chargers defense played pretty well. 

 

Shows how much worse the chiefs and Steelers defenses are 

Also shows how wide open the AFC is, none of these teams are close to being great. Ravens have just as good of a chance as anyone.

[C.Biscuit97]

Bills fans:  Allen never misses passes, it’s all his receivers and oline fault.  He’s a winner.

 

also Bills fans:  the Ravens win with Lamar holding him back.  Also, he is really a running back. 

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JackLa00.htm

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AlleJo02.htm

 

i hope they both become better passers and become franchise guys.   And it’s hard to explain it, but Jackson just wins.  It’s like he was good in college or something.

 

[Dr. Who]

6 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Bills fans:  Allen never misses passes, it’s all his receivers and oline fault.  He’s a winner.

 

also Bills fans:  the Ravens win with Lamar holding him back.  Also, he is really a running back. 

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JackLa00.htm

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AlleJo02.htm

 

i hope they both become better passers and become franchise guys.   And it’s hard to explain it, but Jackson just wins.  It’s like he was good in college or something.

 

You're bordering on crusade territory. Using terms like always and never are usually clues to straw men arguments. Ardent Allen fans still claim he needs to develop. No one here ever claimed he doesn't miss passes. For the most part, Bills fans that I have read do not think Jackson can sustain effectiveness. Most acknowledge his current success, do they not? If you think Lamar is on par with Allen in terms of potential in the passing game, your criteria and evaluative capacity is vastly different than my own. I'll side with 716, in any event. Ravens have a better line and more weapons. Their D is smothering. I surmise the comment on "good in college or something" is meant to contrast Allen at Wyoming with Jackson at Louisville. Taken in context, Allen significantly raised the play of a bad Wyoming team. Compare their record when he played and when he didn't, but so what? Going forward, we'll see how they turn out at the pro level. 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

1 minute ago, Dr. Who said:

You're bordering on crusade territory. Using terms like always and never are usually clues to straw men arguments. Ardent Allen fans still claim he needs to develop. No one here ever claimed he doesn't miss passes. For the most part, Bills fans that I have read do not think Jackson can sustain effectiveness. Most acknowledge his current success, do they not? If you think Lamar is on par with Allen in terms of potential in the passing game, your criteria and evaluative capacity is vastly different than my own. I'll side with 716, in any event. Ravens have a better line and more weapons. Their D is smothering. I surmise the comment on "good in college or something" is meant to contrast Allen at Wyoming with Jackson at Louisville. Taken in context, Allen significantly raised the play of a bad Wyoming team. Compare their record when he played and when he didn't, but so what? Going forward, we'll see how they turn out at the pro level. 

excellent post. spot on from beginning to end.

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

excellent post. spot on from beginning to end.

Honestly, I am compelled to agree with you ?

[C.Biscuit97]

2 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

You're bordering on crusade territory. Using terms like always and never are usually clues to straw men arguments. Ardent Allen fans still claim he needs to develop. No one here ever claimed he doesn't miss passes. For the most part, Bills fans that I have read do not think Jackson can sustain effectiveness. Most acknowledge his current success, do they not? If you think Lamar is on par with Allen in terms of potential in the passing game, your criteria and evaluative capacity is vastly different than my own. I'll side with 716, in any event. Ravens have a better line and more weapons. Their D is smothering. I surmise the comment on "good in college or something" is meant to contrast Allen at Wyoming with Jackson at Louisville. Taken in context, Allen significantly raised the play of a bad Wyoming team. Compare their record when he played and when he didn't, but so what? Going forward, we'll see how they turn out at the pro level. 

Sure dude.  There are plenty of people who trash Jackson while making every excuse for Allen.  I had them tied as prospects coming out at the draft and imo, they are still tied.

 

if Allen had Jackson’s production against that level in college instead I’d ehat he did in the MWC, there would be no criticism of him and he’d be the number 1 pick of the draft.  But there are totally double standards here (it’s a bills board and I expect that but I call it like I see it) but Allen is closer as a passer to Jackson than Brees.  But both are super young and have a lot of ability, so hopefully they both get there because it makes the nfl better. 

[mannc]

8 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Sure dude.  There are plenty of people who trash Jackson while making every excuse for Allen.  I had them tied as prospects coming out at the draft and imo, they are still tied.

 

if Allen had Jackson’s production against that level in college instead I’d ehat he did in the MWC, there would be no criticism of him and he’d be the number 1 pick of the draft.  But there are totally double standards here (it’s a bills board and I expect that but I call it like I see it) but Allen is closer as a passer to Jackson than Brees.  But both are super young and have a lot of ability, so hopefully they both get there because it makes the nfl better. 

On the other hand, for most of the game, the announcers were ball-washing Jackson in a way that never happens with Allen.  Jackson is playing behind a really good o-line and has plenty of weapons at his disposal.  We don’t have a single TE who would make the Ravens 53-man roster, and maybe one offensive lineman who would start for them.  

[C.Biscuit97]

3 minutes ago, mannc said:

On the other hand, for most of the game, the announcers were ball-washing Jackson in a way that never happens with Allen.  Jackson is playing behind a really good o-line and has plenty of weapons at his disposal.  We don’t have a single TE who would make the Ravens 53-man roster, and maybe one offensive lineman who would start for them.  

I think you need to review their TE’s production.  Clay, prior to this year, was far superior to any of them.

 

and the Heisman winner is probably going to get more hype than the Wyoming guy.  If Allen becomes the guy, he will get ball washes like every good qb does.

[Dr. Who]

12 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I think you need to review their TE’s production.  Clay, prior to this year, was far superior to any of them.

 

and the Heisman winner is probably going to get more hype than the Wyoming guy.  If Allen becomes the guy, he will get ball washes like every good qb does.

Clay this year is a broken down old war horse. I agree about the penumbra of Heisman hype still attached to Jackson, but there's also hangover from the analytics crowd who are going to resist saying nice things about Allen until his play is so overwhelmingly good that they have no choice.

Edited December 23, 2018 by Dr. Who