BillsSB2020 Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: Crazy to think our dline at one point consisted of Bruce Smith, Ted Washington, Pat Williams and Phil Hansen. I miss those Ted Cotrell days and having the number 1 defense in the league in 98 and 99 With Marcellus Wiley coming off the bench to provide a spark. I want a line like that again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Too bad he wasn’t on the team in 1990... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 (edited) Having the double twins "Josh Allens" would be sweet. But not sure he's going to last until we pick. Lots of mocks have LB  JA  going #3 to the NY Jets. Josh Allen tackling Josh Allen would be an annual thing. Edited December 18, 2018 by BillsRdue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Ted was a guy who wasnt good he was big. 6-5 375 ..no one ever said Wow what a play by Washington. They said Wow he's huge. Pat Williams made more plays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 4 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said: Randy Cross once described Ted Washington as a "landslide with a helmet". All props to Fred Smerlas, but Mt. Washington was the best NT the Bills ever had. It ain't braggin' if you can do it, and if Ted Talks, I'm listening.  His main beef with the technique was that the D lineman today want to get upfield quickly. Ted was all about leverage, and he clearly feels that should be the same today. Ted was never about quickness, he just man-handled anyone in front of him.  He also said Tasker should be in the HOF, so there's that. It was great to see Ted on OBL. Dude played 16 years and still has all his marbles.  I'm not sure if Ted  was ever hit in the head. His marbles were well protected by 350lbs of seal fat and his head was at the top of a mountain. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offsides#76FredSmerlas Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 4 hours ago, CaptnCoke11 said: He’s not wrong really.  There’s nothing special about any of the DL on the roster.  Yep, your one of those guys! Captnnegative would be a better name for you. Harrison, Kyle and Lawson/Murphy & Lotulelei are a pretty damn solid group. Our defense as a whole is very good and it starts up front. Some people you just can't satisfy. Let me guess you want a 12 sack pro bowler and because we don't have Mr. Excitement you don't think these guys are anything special? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Ted Washington was a great player but in all this time he has ascended to the level of High School DL coach.  Wow.  I work with a high school DL coach and he is really good electrical engineer.   Maybe there are some aspects of today’s NFL that are different than say 20 years ago?    Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninChicago Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 In my mind I always pictured him having played for the Redskins at one point in his career even though I know that isn’t the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 6 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I think the Bills need to invest in a high end pass rusher at the top of the draft or in FA - they lack elite-ness on that line . They have a bunch of “good” players but no real difference maker  totally agree. When you can't sack Broken Back Bradford, you lack a difference maker.  We don't have anyone who the offense has to plan around. A lot of good players, now add a stud and this D is #1 in the league by a mile.  2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 19, 2018 Author Share Posted December 19, 2018 31 minutes ago, Bob in STL said: Ted Washington was a great player but in all this time he has ascended to the level of High School DL coach.  Wow.  I work with a high school DL coach and he is really good electrical engineer.   Maybe there are some aspects of today’s NFL that are different than say 20 years ago?    He mentioned that he ran some Popeyes franchises for awhile but got out of it because it was too time consuming. At least he’s staying busy. A lot of ex players coach in HS. He may not want the hours that into college and pro coaching. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 When an ex player says thing like this it just smacks of “these young players cant compare to my generation.”  1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 6 hours ago, dave mcbride said: Ted Washington is one of the most dominant defensive players the Bills have ever had. No doubt, and much better in his prime than anyone else on the current DL in their prime. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 One would think that Sean McDermott, having a wrestling background, would appreciate good hand usage. McDermott;s football background is in the secondary,. but he would still understand how important it is. I know Washington didn't single anyone out. I wounder what he thinks of the new kid, Harrison Phillips. Phillips, like McDermott has a wrestling background, and one of his strengths was said to be hand usage and understanding leverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 19, 2018 Author Share Posted December 19, 2018 (edited) 21 minutes ago, TigerJ said: One would think that Sean McDermott, having a wrestling background, would appreciate good hand usage. McDermott;s football background is in the secondary,. but he would still understand how important it is. I know Washington didn't single anyone out. I wounder what he thinks of the new kid, Harrison Phillips. Phillips, like McDermott has a wrestling background, and one of his strengths was said to be hand usage and understanding leverage. Mcdermott actually talked about Harrison phillips’ great hand usage after he was drafted. I also wondered if TW watched him at all and if it translated to the nfl. Edited December 19, 2018 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 6 hours ago, FearLess Price said: Â These are the real questions we need to be asking jeremy2099. Â You wipe back to front, don't you? Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 9 hours ago, WhyteDwarf said: Isn't Ted Washington the 'Paul small *****" guy? iirc he was quite the jerk.  Nope. Big Ted was one of the best space eaters ever to play for the Bills,  Light years better than what's on the roster now... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSB2020 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 5 hours ago, CardinalScotts said: Ted was a guy who wasnt good he was big. 6-5 375 ..no one ever said Wow what a play by Washington. They said Wow he's huge. Pat Williams made more plays Yet he still made 60 tackles and a couple sacks a year as opposed to Lotuleilei.  Not hating on Star, but I'm not seeing much impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 9 hours ago, WhyteDwarf said:  Right, but I think he cornered Paul Peck from channel 4 in the locker room one time and said he had a small penis, or something derogatory to that effect. I know he and Pat Williams were great players, but from memory, Ted Washington was described as a real jerk. I remember watching Ted take on the entire middle of the Offensive Line and winning. He was on one knee sideways and blocking both guards and the center. He was paid to play football not be Miss America. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 Ted was the best but they do a lot more hand fighting today than back then, not that our guys couldn't learn something from Big Ted. He should contact McDermott and see if he can give a few pointers.   Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearLess Price Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 6 hours ago, jeremy2020 said:  You wipe back to front, don't you?   You often wonder how random internet dudes clean themselves after a bowel movement, dont you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhyteDwarf Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, Lurker said:  Nope. Big Ted was one of the best space eaters ever to play for the Bills,  Light years better than what's on the roster now...  Right, I wasn't disputing that. So not sure what the "nope" was for. Unless Washington was not the player who called Paul Peck's manhood into question. Edited December 19, 2018 by WhyteDwarf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 17 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:  His 1997 season he was arguably the best defender in the NFL.  Once he got paid he just reverted to being the best NT in the NFL for the next 5-6 years. I remember when Parcells paid Center Kevin Mawae HUGE bucks and said that the contract was because of Ted Washington. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 I remember Ted being a late 1st-round pick by the 49ers who really didn’t distinguish himself the years he was there. Just an outstanding FA signing by the Bills. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 18 hours ago, BillsVet said: Ted Washington is still the largest human being I've ever seen up close. He made Pat Williams look small.  One of my best memories from interning at the 2000 training camp.  i walked right up to the Bullets bench during a timeout, Moses Malone and Manute Bol won   Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 19 hours ago, BillsVet said: Ted Washington is still the largest human being I've ever seen up close. He made Pat Williams look small.  One of my best memories from interning at the 2000 training camp. That is pretty amazing because once we sat behind the Bills bench in the 2nd row, and Pat Williams was bigger than Big Sam Adams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSB2020 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Rico said: I remember Ted being a late 1st-round pick by the 49ers who really didn’t distinguish himself the years he was there. Just an outstanding FA signing by the Bills. Gotta give Wade props for that one. Not sure who made the call, but I believe he played for him in Denver which means he likely played a key role. Edited December 19, 2018 by BillsSB2020 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 23 hours ago, dave mcbride said: Ted Washington is one of the most dominant defensive players the Bills have ever had. That's great and all.. you can be the most best NT ever in the game and still be a jerk.  Point in case is Tom Brady.  I AM NOT SAYING TW IS A JERK! just making the point is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 23 hours ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said: Harsh. But if anybody could say it it's Ted Washington. And he's not wrong about the DL. I'd have to assume he's talking about Meatball in the context of this season and not dismissing his whole body of work.  Whole body of work is above average to good. Fine player, yes. Overrated, yes.  Beloved, undoubtedly. We do this thing where liking a player makes them better at football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalobloodfloridahome Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 Shaq is starting to become a more complete pass rusher and seeing him in the backfield allot more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 1 hour ago, BillsSB2020 said: Gotta give Wade props for that one. Not sure who made the call, but I believe he played for him in Denver which means he likely played a key role. Thanks, I forgot he was in Denver for a year before coming here. I could be wrong, but I don’t think his career really took off until the Bills, I know I wasn’t expecting him to be that great. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSB2020 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Rico said: Thanks, I forgot he was in Denver for a year before coming here. I could be wrong, but I don’t think his career really took off until the Bills, I know I wasn’t expecting him to be that great. You're completely right that he was an indistinguishable player both in SF and Denver. Just pointing out the Wade connection. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 Wade was the guy who made him a NT in the 3-4, which really made him a dominant player.   1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 21, 2018 Author Share Posted December 21, 2018 I’m surprised. I don’t expect then to get much pressure on Marcia but come on Frazier, YOLO! empty the playbook   Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 On 12/19/2018 at 1:57 PM, Lurker said: Wade was the guy who made him a NT in the 3-4, which really made him a dominant player.    Again with that 3-4 being the best the Bills have ever had, many times......   Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Well, Kyle is certainly well past his prime, but he was great. Hughes is just shy of elite. Lotulelei is better than I thought he'd be, but no probowler and T Murphy was a mistake. We need to add a stud DT to replace Kyle this offseason, but I don't know how. We have so many other needs also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBills88 Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 Ted Washington is right about the DLine. We need Nasty Dlinemen that can penetrate the backfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 Apparently Ted knows a thing or two about D lines. 179 yards on the ground by New England in the first half would seem to validate his opinion 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 23 minutes ago, iinii said: Apparently Ted knows a thing or two about D lines. 179 yards on the ground by New England in the first half would seem to validate his opinion A few of us are well aware of this around here as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 Hope Ted wasn’t watching this keelhauling all day on the Bills numero uno D  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 23, 2018 Author Share Posted December 23, 2018 Just now, row_33 said: Hope Ted wasn’t watching this keelhauling all day on the Bills numero uno D  Run D was awful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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