Is Josh Allen your QB?

[billieve420]

For being as raw as he was coming out of college. Allen has been better than advertised in my opinion and the #2 QB behind Mayfield.

 

Coming out of the draft I had Darnold and Rosen 1 and 2. I had Allen #3 over Mayfield. I based that more on measurables and was concerned with Mayfield’s height. However, I did believe Mayfield was more pro ready coming out college than Allen.

 

Was hoping Allen would have a chance to sit and learn for at least half the season but that plan blew up with the Peterman debacle. For as bad as the team around him has been. Allen hasn’t looked out of place. Fix the o-line and get the kid some weapons and I think he makes a jump next year.

[gordong]

53 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

The throw to Clay was an awful throw. He's wide open and Allen throws a bullet at his knees instead of easing it out in front of him. Should have been an easy throw and catch and Allen whipped it too low in a spot he needed to dive for it.  

 

Allen struggles badly to throw with touch. Unless he's throwing the ball on a rope he's often overthrowing passes or throwing them at his receivers ankles. This has been an issue all season. He left 4 or 5 easy completions on the field today because the easy throws don't come naturally to him. 

 

Our team struggles to generate yards after the catch because Allen isn't consistent with his ball placement. 

 Please tell me this is a joke... you can't really think Clay should not have caught that ball.

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, Domdab99 said:

anyone who doesn't pick the first option should kill themselves

 

I support this post lol

[RiotAct]

no, I’m not Sean McDermott or one of the Pegulas.

[Success]

Just now, gordong said:

 Please tell me this is a joke... you can't really think Clay should not have caught that ball.

Hit him right in stride.  Should have been a big gain - Clay has room to run.

[Alphadawg7]

1 minute ago, Success said:

Hit him right in stride.  Should have been a big gain - Clay has room to run.

 

Clay sucks.  Watch the NFL, guys aren’t hit in stride very often.  QBs job is get the ball where his receiver can make a play on the ball.  Receivers job is to catch it.  Clay doesn’t catch it.  

[Freddie's Dead]

24 minutes ago, dubs said:

It’s amazing how different the results of this poll are and the tenor of the weekly threads that pop up. Hard to reconcile the two. 

 

I posted this largely in response to the GDT, where the negativity on JA was strong today.  So my version of, "Where you at?". 

[billsfan1959]

1 hour ago, jrober38 said:

 

The throw to Clay was an awful throw. He's wide open and Allen throws a bullet at his knees instead of easing it out in front of him. Should have been an easy throw and catch and Allen whipped it too low in a spot he needed to dive for it.  

 

Allen struggles badly to throw with touch. Unless he's throwing the ball on a rope he's often overthrowing passes or throwing them at his receivers ankles. This has been an issue all season. He left 4 or 5 easy completions on the field today because the easy throws don't come naturally to him. 

 

Our team struggles to generate yards after the catch because Allen isn't consistent with his ball placement. 

An absolutely awful take. Just watched it in slow mo several times. The ball was in front of Clay, waist high, in his hands. Nothing wrong with that pass. That drop was completely on Clay.

[Bangarang]

1 hour ago, jrober38 said:

 

The throw to Clay was an awful throw. He's wide open and Allen throws a bullet at his knees instead of easing it out in front of him. Should have been an easy throw and catch and Allen whipped it too low in a spot he needed to dive for it.  

 

Lol wat

 

 

[jahnyc]

Agree that Allen is more athletic then I had expected, but he really needs to improve on his accuracy (as other posters have noted).  We also need to see Allen play with a better o-line and wide receivers to get a better sense as to what we have with him.  Can he get through his progressions and make good throwing decisions if he has the time?  Can he understand the defenses and audible when necessary?  With such a poor o-line in front of him, we are not able to get a sense of these things, and these are the things that will determine whether he will be a quality QB for the Bills in the long- term (along with improvements in his accuracy).

[billsfan1959]

3 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

 

Lol wat

 

 

Not only was it a good throw, but, Clay never even would have had to slow his stride and there was nobody in front of him for 20 yards. 

[Warcodered]

7 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

 

Lol wat

 

 

Huh that's a weird place for a human to have their knees.

Edited December 10, 2018 by Warcodered

[jrober38]

5 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

 

Lol wat

 

 

 

The ball is on a downward trajectory and too far in front of Clay. 

 

When he actually touches the ball it's at his waist and he's stretching to get it. 

 

He should have caught the ball, but the ball need to be dropped over his shoulder for a 40+ yard play. 

[Warcodered]

1 minute ago, jrober38 said:

 

The ball is on a downward trajectory and too far in front of Clay. 

 

When he actually touches the ball it's at his waist and he's stretching to get it. 

 

He should have caught the ball, but the ball need to be dropped over his shoulder for a 40+ yard play. 

Yeah Allen should of dropped that ball swaddled in a hand made blanket directly into his hands.

[Success]

1 minute ago, jrober38 said:

 

The ball is on a downward trajectory and too far in front of Clay. 

 

When he actually touches the ball it's at his waist and he's stretching to get it. 

 

He should have caught the ball, but the ball need to be dropped over his shoulder for a 40+ yard play. 

I admire your ability to persist with the point, even though it is completely at odds with video evidence.

[Alphadawg7]

Don’t debate Allen with jrober38, he hates Allen and will only spin anything and everything negative no matter what.  He’s like a cheating husband whose wife finds an open condom wrapper in his jeans and still tries to claim he isn’t cheating.  He will stick to his story no matter what and will go to any length to support it.  Like how he is trying to absolve Clay for his bone head drops again and pin it on Allen.

Edited December 10, 2018 by Alphadawg7

[Bangarang]

1 minute ago, jrober38 said:

 

The ball is on a downward trajectory and too far in front of Clay. 

 

When he actually touches the ball it's at his waist and he's stretching to get it. 

 

He should have caught the ball, but the ball need to be dropped over his shoulder for a 40+ yard play. 

 

No. Wrong. Stop.

[ILBillsfan]

As far as right now yep I'm good with him

 

Still needs a lot of refining in the passing department I want to give him all of next year as well.  

[billsfan1959]

4 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

The ball is on a downward trajectory and too far in front of Clay. 

 

When he actually touches the ball it's at his waist and he's stretching to get it. 

 

He should have caught the ball, but the ball need to be dropped over his shoulder for a 40+ yard play. 

In another thread, you said, "The guy is wide open with nothing but green grass in front of him and Allen threw a bullet at his ankles"

In this thread, you said, "He's wide open and Allen throws a bullet at his knees."

Now, it's at his waist, but he has to stretch for it.

 

Which is it? 

[Warcodered]

4 minutes ago, Success said:

I admire your ability to persist with the point, even though it is completely at odds with video evidence.

I'm not gonna be impressed until he sees it in slow motion and claims Allen shouldn't of greased the ball.

[Teddy KGB]

11 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

The ball is on a downward trajectory and too far in front of Clay. 

 

When he actually touches the ball it's at his waist and he's stretching to get it. 

 

He should have caught the ball, but the ball need to be dropped over his shoulder for a 40+ yard play. 

 

 

[KellyToTasker]

I hope he survives. These non-calls on the late hits and roughing the passer are out of control. He's getting crushed, consistently. 

[MJS]

He's our QB for better or worse for the next few years. Drafting another one high next year would be an epic failure.

[row_33]

There’s about 15 other starting positions that need a real NFL player more than QB with Allen

 

 

[jrober38]

3 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

 

No. Wrong. Stop.

 

If it's not out in front why does Clay lose his balance reaching for the ball? I was at the stadium with a view from the far end zone and Clay had to stretch to get to the ball. If it's not too far out in front why is Clay hunched over reaching for the ball in the next frame? After last week, if the home crowd thought Clay dropped the ball, don't you think there would have been at least some booing? 

 

In terms of positioning, Allen is on the right hash. Clay makes contact with the ball in between the hash marks, meaning it's moving from right hash towards the left hash, meaning  the ball is leading Clay. Watching the trajectory of the football, it is clearly dropping and if untouched would probably land on the 45 or 46 yard line on the left hash.  Clay should catch the ball because it hits his hands, but the placement of the ball is very poor.

 

Clay is wide open and Allen needs to learn to put some air under the ball. Hopefully that will come with more experience. 

[row_33]

Just now, jrober38 said:

 

If it's not out in front why does Clay lose his balance reaching for the ball? I was at the stadium with a view from the far end zone and Clay had to stretch to get to the ball. If it's not too far out in front why is Clay hunched over reaching for the ball in the next frame? After last week, if the home crowd thought Clay dropped the ball, don't you think there would have been at least some booing? 

 

In terms of positioning, Allen is on the right hash. Clay makes contact with the ball in between the hash marks, meaning it's moving from right hash towards the left hash, meaning  the ball is leading Clay. Watching the trajectory of the football, it is clearly dropping and if untouched would probably land on the 45 or 46 yard line on the left hash.  Clay should catch the ball because it hits his hands, but the placement of the ball is very poor.

 

Clay is wide open and Allen needs to learn to put some air under the ball. Hopefully that will come with more experience. 

 

Whatever

[billsfan1959]

1 minute ago, jrober38 said:

 

If it's not out in front why does Clay lose his balance reaching for the ball? I was at the stadium with a view from the far end zone and Clay had to stretch to get to the ball. If it's not too far out in front why is Clay hunched over reaching for the ball in the next frame? After last week, if the home crowd thought Clay dropped the ball, don't you think there would have been at least some booing? 

 

In terms of positioning, Allen is on the right hash. Clay makes contact with the ball in between the hash marks, meaning it's moving from right hash towards the left hash, meaning  the ball is leading Clay. Watching the trajectory of the football, it is clearly dropping and if untouched would probably land on the 45 or 46 yard line on the left hash.  Clay should catch the ball because it hits his hands, but the placement of the ball is very poor.

 

Clay is wide open and Allen needs to learn to put some air under the ball. Hopefully that will come with more experience. 

And we have the video right in front of us. It wasn't at his ankles, it wasn't at his knees, and Clay didn't have to do anything at all except catch it. There are passes one could point to as examples of Allen's inaccuracy. This isn't one of them.

[row_33]

Was Zay’s drop in the clutch worse than Clay’s?

[Bangarang]

7 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

If it's not out in front why does Clay lose his balance reaching for the ball? 

 

That’s actually not what happened at all. The ball hits Clay in stride right in his hands, he drops it and then falls down.

Edited December 10, 2018 by Bangarang

[MakeBuffaloGreatAgain]

Just now, billsfan1959 said:

And we have the video right in front of us. It wasn't at his ankles, it wasn't at his knees, and Clay didn't have to do anything at all except catch it. There are passes one could point to as examples of Allen's inaccuracy. This isn't one of them.

Jrober is a gem from the bbmb... a troll at it’s ultimate transformation. Don’t pay much attention. Just like Offspring said, he’s only happy in his misery. 

[Success]

1 minute ago, row_33 said:

Was Zay’s drop in the clutch worse than Clay’s?

Zay’s drop was bad, but good receivers drop balls from time to time.  He had a bad day for sure - but he’s still having a very good season and has come back well from a terrible rookie year and offseason troubles.

[LABILLBACKER]

2 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

Love me some weekly spectrum...

I use Directv over Spectrum 

[row_33]

Just now, Success said:

Zay’s drop was bad, but good receivers drop balls from time to time.  He had a bad day for sure - but he’s still having a very good season and has come back well from a terrible rookie year and offseason troubles.

 

 Both are headcases, so it’s not totally shocking.

 

why does a man jump a bit on a pass right to his chest

[Q-baby!]

10 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

If it's not out in front why does Clay lose his balance reaching for the ball? I was at the stadium with a view from the far end zone and Clay had to stretch to get to the ball. If it's not too far out in front why is Clay hunched over reaching for the ball in the next frame? After last week, if the home crowd thought Clay dropped the ball, don't you think there would have been at least some booing? 

 

In terms of positioning, Allen is on the right hash. Clay makes contact with the ball in between the hash marks, meaning it's moving from right hash towards the left hash, meaning  the ball is leading Clay. Watching the trajectory of the football, it is clearly dropping and if untouched would probably land on the 45 or 46 yard line on the left hash.  Clay should catch the ball because it hits his hands, but the placement of the ball is very poor.

 

Clay is wide open and Allen needs to learn to put some air under the ball. Hopefully that will come with more experience. 

You type well, for a blind man. 

[longtimebillsfan]

Josh has shown enough on the field and an incredible work ethic off the field to commit to him for another year.  We can use the draft picks to help build an o line and give him more skill players to use. 

15 hours ago, billsfan1959 said:

Not only was it a good throw, but, Clay never even would have had to slow his stride and there was nobody in front of him for 20 yards. 

Clay needs to go the way of Benjamin. 

 

It was like night and day seeing the efforts of our young receivers and watching Clay.   He looks like a slug out there. 

Edited December 10, 2018 by longtimebillsfan

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

I know now is the least sensible time to mess with it, but I’d still like to see another game of Barkley. It won’t happen now and now isn’t the time to try it. It would be nice to know if we have a legit long term back up before the draft. Allen plays so wreck less that he’s going to get hurt and a backup is going to be important. It would also tell us a lot about Allen, if Barkley went in and put up 35+ again. I know it won’t happen but Allen is going to get hurt. He got real close today. This next game means absolutely nothing and won’t change Allen’s future one way or another. If you let Barkley start and he crashes and burns, you go into the offseason looking for a backup. If he lights it up again and proves there are plays to be made in the passing game...then you have a backup, you have a OC, you may have WRs and you might have a competition at qb next off season. Allen was really taking shots today and at the end of the day, this lions game won’t effect Allen one way or another. If you play Barkley and he plays well again, you might have your QB situation set up for 3 or 4 years.

[dubs]

57 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

 

I posted this largely in response to the GDT, where the negativity on JA was strong today.  So my version of, "Where you at?". 

 

I think the vast majority of fans are level headed, fair minded and can see the progression of JA. That coupled with the relatively poor supporting cast, inconsistent fat-o and terrible WRs and say, “I think we have a lot to be excited about with JA”.

 

Then you have the small minority of fans that have taken up a crusade against JA, McD, Beane, Pegulas, and anyone else they can fit into the their crosshairs. They post the same things over and over. Start threads for every incompletion. It seems as though there are a ton of doubters. But in reality it’s just a very small percentage of people, which this poll seems to confirm. 

 

 

Edited December 10, 2018 by dubs

[Elite Poster]

2 hours ago, Rad Likes The Bills said:

Okay I liked Ej more than most but never in any point in his career did he flash the potential that Allen currently possesses. When given time Allen can throw in tight windows ACCURATELY down the intermediate to deep middle of the field.  He runs better than Ej ever did.  And oh btw he doesn’t have Robert Woods, Stevie Johnson, Cj Spiller, and Fred Jackson helping ease the load, it’s just Josh. 

 

I was a huge skeptic before this year because of the EJ experience, Josh Allen is going to be a superstar and I’m all in for Allen! 

 

I'm not disputing anything you are saying but to be frank, he really only is better at running. EJ made very phenomenal throws and it really is not my fault you are going to pretend it never happened. He was wildly inconsistent and made some head scratching plays (sounds familiar). Allen plays a lot harder and his surrounding cast is abysmal but if you don't just look at 1 or 2 games, he's got a lot to prove. 

 

The whole point of my post is for you guys to not jump to conclusions and you ended your post with exactly that.

 

I was a huge Allen non-believer and he's proving me wrong SO FAR and I pray he continues to do it for the next 10 years. 

Edited December 10, 2018 by Elite Poster

[RalphWilson'sNewWar]

Stick with Allen.  Every Blue Chip QB should get at least 2 seasons.

 

I will say though Allen as been nearly exacting like all his Draft Scouting Reports indicated.

 

All the same strengths and all the same weakness...including the hero ball and shouts that he has no help.

 

all of it has made the trip from Wisconsin to Buffalo.

 

Now he needs to begin to flip the script on his Career Narrative starting soon.

[Success]

4 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

Stick with Allen.  Every Blue Chip QB should get at least 2 seasons.

 

I will say though Allen as been nearly exacting like all his Draft Scouting Reports indicated.

 

All the same strengths and all the same weakness...including the hero ball and shouts that he has no help.

 

all of it has made the trip from Wisconsin to Buffalo.

 

Now he needs to begin to flip the script on his Career Narrative starting soon.

Has he had help?