Dadonkadonk Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 6 carries, 4 yards and a fumble for 0.7 YPC. Same O-line against the same defense and Shady has 3.5 YPC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Seasons completely over now. Start Murphy and give him 25-30 touches here on out 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 He looked old and slow. I see him and Shady gone next year. We'll definitely be drafting a RB next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leonbus23 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Tolbert with dreads 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Pretty sure those posts are on whatever yard line Ivory dropped the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 They need a RB overhaul. As good as shady was the last 3 years, they need to find a new starting RB next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 I hear Kareem Hunt is available 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 10 minutes ago, leonbus23 said: Tolbert with dreads Is it really that bad? Damn, I think you could be right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Jolla Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 These call out threads are ugly. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 They both sucked. Shady goes down on first contact and Ivory was running to the outside, not up the middle where he’s effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Fix the O-line and the RBs will look better regardless who plays. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 I still think he’s an upgrade over Shady. This team is not built for multiple negative yard gains. Need consistent positive yardage, which Ivory will provide. I wouldn’t mind if both are gone in the off season and we roll with Murphy and a draft pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 The bottom line is this OL is not opening up running lanes for any of its running backs..... It is actually pretty amazing that Josh is doing what he is doing with no running game......and he is constantly having to move to avoid being sacked......he literally should have like 5 sacks a game on him but does not 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishPrince Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 11 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: The bottom line is this OL is not opening up running lanes for any of its running backs..... It is actually pretty amazing that Josh is doing what he is doing with no running game......and he is constantly having to move to avoid being sacked......he literally should have like 5 sacks a game on him but does not 100% agreed with this. I think the Josh lovers and the Josh haters admit we have a serious WR/TE and Oline problem... but what I feel keeps getting over looked, is we have had almost 0 running game all seasons (except for Jets game). Josh has really been put in a position to need to do it all - all while having a QB Spy on him at all times... still runs for 135. Side thought I just kind of came up with. It seemed to me in many games when Tyrod was spied his running aspect of his game was pretty much gone. Yet Allen is being spied and it's like it doesnt matter. Is Allen truly faster/more elusive? Is Allen a "smarter runner" with how to attack the running lane? Just weird to me guys like Barr, Alonso and whoever the Jaguars had just cant stop the kid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Dadonkadonk said: 6 carries, 4 yards and a fumble for 0.7 YPC. Same O-line against the same defense and Shady has 3.5 YPC. Do you just look for anything negative to jump on, or do you have certain guidelines? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Yeah pitching wide to ivory and playing against his strengths was the real problem. He’s still solid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 (edited) I think designing more plays that feature McCoy catching passes out of the backfield would really help the offense a lot...and it would give McCoy a chance to have space to move. It seemed very early in the season they were running some screens...but they have pretty much disappeared. Edited December 3, 2018 by Buftex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 30 minutes ago, Buftex said: I think designing more plays that feature McCoy catching passes out of the backfield would really help the offense a lot...and it would give McCoy a chance to have space to move. It seemed very early in the season they were running some screens...but they have pretty much disappeared. I agree, it seems very odd these plays have disappeared ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 1 hour ago, PolishPrince said: 100% agreed with this. I think the Josh lovers and the Josh haters admit we have a serious WR/TE and Oline problem... but what I feel keeps getting over looked, is we have had almost 0 running game all seasons (except for Jets game). Josh has really been put in a position to need to do it all - all while having a QB Spy on him at all times... still runs for 135. Side thought I just kind of came up with. It seemed to me in many games when Tyrod was spied his running aspect of his game was pretty much gone. Yet Allen is being spied and it's like it doesnt matter. Is Allen truly faster/more elusive? Is Allen a "smarter runner" with how to attack the running lane? Just weird to me guys like Barr, Alonso and whoever the Jaguars had just cant stop the kid. Just pure speed and athleticism. LB's may underestimate it because it's deceptive because of how he's built. I know his 40 time was a 4.75, but his football speed is more in the 4.5 range. Tyrod torched Miami every time he played them, but nothing compared to what Allen did today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 2 hours ago, billieve420 said: Fix the O-line and the RBs will look better regardless who plays. Ding. Ding. Ding. What do we have for him, Johnny? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 In my pockets Where are my pockets you ask? Well, in my pants of course! Where are my pants? Oops, i forgot em! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadonkadonk Posted December 3, 2018 Author Share Posted December 3, 2018 3 hours ago, Augie said: Do you just look for anything negative to jump on, or do you have certain guidelines? I'm pointing out the absurdity of this board always thinking the backup is better than the starter with the facts. Most of this board wanted to get rid of McCoy for a guy that looks like he runs hard but gets no results. Now a bunch of people are on the preseason probowler Murphy to start bandwagon. McCoy is still a great RB. Hell even Ivory and Murphy are decent backups. Its the line. McCoy made 3.5 ypc when he was hit in the backfield on muliple plays. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 That stumble fumble was something else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 7 hours ago, Dadonkadonk said: 6 carries, 4 yards and a fumble for 0.7 YPC. Same O-line against the same defense and Shady has 3.5 YPC. They just don't wanna see the obvious!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 He and shady are both terrible. 4 hours ago, Dadonkadonk said: I'm pointing out the absurdity of this board always thinking the backup is better than the starter with the facts. Most of this board wanted to get rid of McCoy for a guy that looks like he runs hard but gets no results. Now a bunch of people are on the preseason probowler Murphy to start bandwagon. McCoy is still a great RB. Hell even Ivory and Murphy are decent backups. Its the line. McCoy made 3.5 ypc when he was hit in the backfield on muliple plays. Shady is no longer a great running back. He goes down with a stiff breeze right now. Hes done and should be nothing more than a 3rd down back in the league now. Sorry. But he has little or no explosiveness anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 4 hours ago, Dadonkadonk said: I'm pointing out the absurdity of this board always thinking the backup is better than the starter with the facts. Most of this board wanted to get rid of McCoy for a guy that looks like he runs hard but gets no results. Now a bunch of people are on the preseason probowler Murphy to start bandwagon. McCoy is still a great RB. Hell even Ivory and Murphy are decent backups. Its the line. McCoy made 3.5 ypc when he was hit in the backfield on muliple plays. Yeah, yeah... Everyone gets your point. Ivory had a bad game. Unfortunately, your premise is flawed because Shady does not even resemble a "great RB" right now. So yeah, one game where Shady averages 3.5 ypc and all the sudden he's back? Touting 3.5 as if it were good, or even repectable. This thread would make sense if Shady actually was producing. Mccoy is done, and people saying 'start Ivory' are doing so not because Ivory is great, but because Shady is over with, over the hill, and his running style is no longer supported by his skillset. Ivory had a bad game yesterday, but if it were possible I would still trade Shady away and start Ivory (or whoever). If we aren't getting production anyway, it shouldn't cost 10mil+. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 I’m not an Ivory fan or hater but it seems to me that Daboll keeps trying to put him out in space and run Shady up the middle. That’s of course the opposite skill set for BOTH of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epstein's Mother Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 8 hours ago, Virgil said: They both sucked. Shady goes down on first contact and Ivory was running to the outside, not up the middle where he’s effective. I've become weary of watching this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 9 hours ago, PolishPrince said: 100% agreed with this. I think the Josh lovers and the Josh haters admit we have a serious WR/TE and Oline problem... but what I feel keeps getting over looked, is we have had almost 0 running game all seasons (except for Jets game). Josh has really been put in a position to need to do it all - all while having a QB Spy on him at all times... still runs for 135. Side thought I just kind of came up with. It seemed to me in many games when Tyrod was spied his running aspect of his game was pretty much gone. Yet Allen is being spied and it's like it doesnt matter. Is Allen truly faster/more elusive? Is Allen a "smarter runner" with how to attack the running lane? Just weird to me guys like Barr, Alonso and whoever the Jaguars had just cant stop the kid. He embarrassed Kiko numerous times in the open field. Allen has some special ability to run and extend plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 6 hours ago, Dadonkadonk said: I'm pointing out the absurdity of this board always thinking the backup is better than the starter with the facts. Most of this board wanted to get rid of McCoy for a guy that looks like he runs hard but gets no results. Now a bunch of people are on the preseason probowler Murphy to start bandwagon. McCoy is still a great RB. Hell even Ivory and Murphy are decent backups. Its the line. McCoy made 3.5 ypc when he was hit in the backfield on muliple plays. I don’t think anyone can argue that the line isn’t crippling this offense. It has to be the #1 priority this offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishPrince Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 2 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: He embarrassed Kiko numerous times in the open field. Allen has some special ability to run and extend plays. Watching him spin Kiko 2-3 times, and just kind of shove Kiko out of the way was just amazing 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 38 minutes ago, PolishPrince said: Watching him spin Kiko 2-3 times, and just kind of shove Kiko out of the way was just amazing Once Kiko had his back to him he just hid behind him when he turned and then just shoved him out of the way when he wanted to start steam rollin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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