Forget Mahomes. The big miss was not hiring Frank Reich as head coach.

[NewEra]

Coulda shoulda woulda waaaah

[atlbillsfan1975]

If the Colts go 2-3 over the last 5 games and miss playoffs will you still think this way?

 

i echo everyone’s sentiment that feels like theses posts are not needed. 

[BillsMafia13]

1 hour ago, LTF said:

Started the season 1-5 and now on a 5 game winning streak, with a 37-5 blowout of McDermott and the Bills included in that streak. The guy can coach. Why the Bills didn't bring this guy in to be their head coach is beyond me. Looking at their schedule it looks like he is heading to the playoffs in his first year and the Colts are going to be the team nobody wants to play. Great job Frank Reich.

Hiring a defense minded coach in the new NFL where offense is King is the biggest mistake made so far by the Pegulas.

 

https://buffalonews.com/2018/11/06/letter-bills-made-wrong-choice-by-not-hiring-frank-reich/

Also beat Brady to win a SB with a back up qb but whos counting.  Eagles havent looked the same without him, that being said I still love being proven wrong everytime I predict the bills to lose big. If McDerms takes his hands off the O well be alright

[gjv001]

We didn't miss at all. McDermott is doing a fine job.

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, LTF said:

Started the season 1-5 and now on a 5 game winning streak, with a 37-5 blowout of McDermott and the Bills included in that streak. The guy can coach. Why the Bills didn't bring this guy in to be their head coach is beyond me. Looking at their schedule it looks like he is heading to the playoffs in his first year and the Colts are going to be the team nobody wants to play. Great job Frank Reich.

Hiring a defense minded coach in the new NFL where offense is King is the biggest mistake made so far by the Pegulas.

 

https://buffalonews.com/2018/11/06/letter-bills-made-wrong-choice-by-not-hiring-frank-reich/

Its interesting....I seem to remember a point and time where some fans were screaming for Frank to get canned

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 hour ago, K-9 said:

All this time and emotion invested in things we don't have is absurd. 

 

 

...we DO have a two game win streak though............

[dubs]

1 hour ago, LTF said:

Started the season 1-5 and now on a 5 game winning streak, with a 37-5 blowout of McDermott and the Bills included in that streak. The guy can coach. Why the Bills didn't bring this guy in to be their head coach is beyond me. Looking at their schedule it looks like he is heading to the playoffs in his first year and the Colts are going to be the team nobody wants to play. Great job Frank Reich.

Hiring a defense minded coach in the new NFL where offense is King is the biggest mistake made so far by the Pegulas.

 

https://buffalonews.com/2018/11/06/letter-bills-made-wrong-choice-by-not-hiring-frank-reich/

 

Can Reich punt?  That’s the real issue. Everyone FIRED!

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

46 minutes ago, Jobot said:

 

 

You're either in 3rd grade, or 80 years old.. So don't worry my Grandpa says all sorts of crazy things too.

  

 

 

...could be BOTH....anything is possible these days.........

[BillsMafia13]

29 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

If the Colts go 2-3 over the last 5 games and miss playoffs will you still think this way?

 

i echo everyone’s sentiment that feels like theses posts are not needed. 

Then why do you and everyone else open, read the comments, and feel like the rest of the site craves your comments and approval. Nobodys beating on your door demanding your 2 cents.  To anyone who is above conversing about football, regardless if its outlandish or repetitive, keep it moving.  The narcissism on here is crazy

Edited November 28, 2018 by BillsMafia13

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

What IF  Frank didn't have a Luck at QB?   

 

What then? How good would Indy have been w/o Luck?

 

You have to take things into perspective. 

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

1 hour ago, blacklabel said:

I think they interviewed Reich after Marrone left but at that time he didn't quite have the experience he has now. I think at that point (early 2015) he had only been an OC for one year with previous experience as a QB and WRs coach. And I think at the time, many fans were all over the Pegulas for being "homers" and "nostalgic for the glory days" when they interviewed Reich. But, you know, hindsight and all that.

 

McDermott is constantly lauded as getting a lot out of a little. Made the playoffs last year with an average roster. Has this current group playing well over the last couple weeks despite the blowouts and tough losses. He's still getting this team to show up everyday and put in the work when guys could easily start mailing it in because they know the chances of returning to the playoffs this year are slim. 

 

And this league has consistently tweaked the rules to favor the offense, that plays a huge role in these high-powered offenses we see right now. And let's not act like this is the first time we've ever seen teams score crazy points like this. Rams had the Greatest Show on Turf back in the early 2000s, the 2007 Pats put up crazy numbers, there was a 15-1 Vikings team that set offensive records (late 90s, I think). Plus, teams like the Chiefs, Rams and Saints have a few things: strong OLs and Pro Bowlers at every just about every skill position. 

 

But, as always, there are ebbs and flows in the league, which is also a copycat league. Teams will adopt what other teams do both on offense and defense. And sooner or later, defenses always catch up. A decade ago the Wildcat took the league by storm and everyone was all, "It's a new NFL!" but what happened? Eventually defenses caught up and the Wildcat faded away. There's always new trends that come up and eventually there's always an answer to those trends. 

 

This is so important.  The NFL will not stay like this forever.  Innovation is part of why this league is so amazing. 

[DC Grid]

It's interesting for the first 5 games of the season when Luck was still in the early stages of getting back up to speed Frank was looking like a loser who wouldn't last long.  Now with a fully recovered Luck he's a bonafide guru Buffalo missed out on.   Forget that with what in general is a hot pile of garbage for most of his tenure, McD seemed to have willed the Bills a playoff appearance and again seems to be righting the ship in a massive roster rebuild that was desperately needed.  

 

A HC doesnt need to be a specialist.  He needs to be an overall manager.  He needs to get people under him to be gurus.  The league is full of examples of great OCs who can't coach, Hue Jackson anyone?....or Kevin Wisenhunt, Todd Haley, Charlie Weiss, Jason Garrett etc etc etc.  When you look for a head coach, his leadership skills / management of people and his staff should be the real focus.  

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

42 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Coulda shoulda woulda waaaah

 

....sad isn't it?.........Frank returns to where his coaching career actually started....funny how Mahomes was "leper like" coming from the "dreaded spread" or "Air Raid (no Air Raid guy has succeeded in the NFL, right?)" and now that he's playing A++, we blew the pick....oh well.........

 

 

 

sad isn't it?

[Dr. Fong]

So they go on a 5 game win streak and suddenly Frank Reich is the one that got away? That’s silly. I do agree that I wish the Bills had gone with an offensive coach, but to say that passing on Reich was a mistake at this point is very premature.

Edited November 28, 2018 by Dr. Fong

[IDBillzFan]

54 minutes ago, BobChalmers said:

What is it with all the Troll posters on this board?  I really don't remember there being quite so much mindless negativity here in years past.

 

BBMB.

[dubs]

1 minute ago, LABillzFan said:

 

BBMB.

 

Agree. BBMB

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, LTF said:

Yes, back when Marone left. They missed on him 2x.

 

No they missed him once. If you can’t win the job as a legacy and former team legend over Wrecks, there’s no call back.

 

And any way Reich wasn’t interviewing when the bills hired McDermott. Eagles were making a run 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

3 minutes ago, LABillzFan said:

 

BBMB.

 

..if that's so convenient, why were they permitted to join?......plenty originated here who were also there and spewed the SAME crap in BOTH places........I was there so I probably belong in the new BBMB Leper Forum...I know my lowly place with humility.....and it's only Wednesday........

[Matt_In_NH]

We could have had Mahomeboy and Reich...mfer

[IDBillzFan]

Just now, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

..if that's so convenient, why were they permitted to join?......plenty originated here who were also there and spewed the SAME crap in BOTH places........I was there so I probably belong in the new BBMB Leper Forum...I know my lowly place with humility.....and it's only Wednesday........

 

I suspect they were able to join so quickly because the shut down of BBMB came so suddenly. TBD, in the past, used to be somewhat purposeful in allowing people to join. When BBMB shut down, TBD became the San Diego to BBMB's Tijuana.

 

Also, there have always been people here spewing crap. The issue is the sheer number of them now. It's better after a win or two, but the next time the Bills lose, it'll be Tijuana all over again.

[NoHuddleKelly12]

1 hour ago, Like A Mofo said:

He is a former Buffalo Bill. If one is a former player, coach, resident, heck, even a criminal nephew of our HOF QB, Buffalo MUST have them all. The iron clad rule of some the fan base.

I can't hate on that statement Mofo, you're probably mostly correct, I am also a softie when it comes to our alumni from a certain era that shall remain nameless, only clue is my avatar  

[Matty the Dustmop]

2 hours ago, LTF said:

 

The Colts will beat the Chiefs this year in the playoffs. You heard it here first.

Put $5000. on if you know something no one else at TBD knows.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

14 minutes ago, LABillzFan said:

 

I suspect they were able to join so quickly because the shut down of BBMB came so suddenly. TBD, in the past, used to be somewhat purposeful in allowing people to join. When BBMB shut down, TBD became the San Diego to BBMB's Tijuana.

 

Also, there have always been people here spewing crap. The issue is the sheer number of them now. It's better after a win or two, but the next time the Bills lose, it'll be Tijuana all over again.

 

Either way the Mexican food is great...

[Augie]

I’d rather focus on all the nice things we DO have and the seemingly bright  future than make myself miserable lamenting all the things I DON’T have. I guess it’s just a different way of looking at life, and it’s not always easy, but it has advantages.  

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

Based on your logic, Doug Marone must be the 2nd coming of God.  In his first year he took Jax within one quarter of one game from the super Bowl.  And with a vastly  inferior QB than Andrew Luck.

 

If only we had kept Marrone as coach imagine how many SB we'd have won by now.

[mjt328]

All this "we should have hired an offensive coach" is nonsense.

 

Funny how Frank Reich's offensive knowledge/prowess made no difference when their Quarterback was shaking off the rust.  Once Andrew Luck started playing like a Top 5 quarterback again, suddenly the offense became a powerhouse.  Offensive success ALWAYS begins with the QB.  Everything stems off from that.

 

Sean McDermott's offense has featured an extremely raw rookie (Allen), a 35-year-old who had no real intention of playing when he signed (Anderson), a journeyman who hadn't taken a snap in 2 seasons (Barkley) and probably the worst starting quarterback of the modern football era (Peterman).  Not to mention the terrible offensive line, and bottom-tier receiving talent.  There isn't an offensive genius in the NFL who could have "schemed" this group into success this year.

 

The future of this franchise depends on Josh Allen's development.  If he works out, it won't matter what side of the ball McDermott specializes in.

 

 

[IDBillzFan]

25 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

Either way the Mexican food is great...

 

If you like that kind of thing.

[Utah John]

As for Mahomes, he's great no doubt but look at the personnel around him.  When the Bills could have picked him, they were still trying to decide whether Tyrod was the answer, so it made sense to trade back, get White, and another first this past spring.  Picking Mahomes last year while Taylor was still here, and not having the cap space to upgrade the rest of the roster, would have been a disaster.  For one thing, we don't make the playoffs last year without White.  Second, Mahomes was OK sitting and watching a great but aging QB, and waiting his turn while learning the game.  Mahomes sitting behind a mediocre QB still trying to become better would not have gone down well.  

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Wow, I wonder where I've seen this very kind of thread before EIGHT HUNDRED BILLION TIMES.

 

Oh, that's right. ON THIS FORUM.

 

*face on desk*

 

[BADOLBILZ]

3 hours ago, K-9 said:

All this time and emotion invested in things we don't have is absurd. 

 

First, the obvious.........have an ounce of self awareness........you're on a message board..........which is perhaps the very definition of wasted time.

 

But as they say....."if you don't know your past....."

 

One constant with the Bills fruitless 19 year and counting struggle to escape the "bad to middling" level as an NFL franchise is repeating the same mistakes over and over.

 

So it's good to know your history and learn from it...........that's where you can pinch those emotional pennies by not dying the same deaths every 3 years.?

 

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

....sad isn't it?.........Frank returns to where his coaching career actually started....funny how Mahomes was "leper like" coming from the "dreaded spread" or "Air Raid (no Air Raid guy has succeeded in the NFL, right?)" and now that he's playing A++, we blew the pick....oh well.........

 

 

 

sad isn't it?

Yessir

[Mr. WEO]

I would take Luck or Mahomes over Reich

 

I like Frank,  but having Luck is the difference there.  Look what Manning did for. Dungy

Edited November 28, 2018 by Mr. WEO

[Dopey]

3 hours ago, row_33 said:

 

 

you have indicted the AFC with your McD praise...

 

 

Aren't the colts an afc team?!?

[BuffaLoko]

3 hours ago, LTF said:

Started the season 1-5 and now on a 5 game winning streak, with a 37-5 blowout of McDermott and the Bills included in that streak. The guy can coach. Why the Bills didn't bring this guy in to be their head coach is beyond me. Looking at their schedule it looks like he is heading to the playoffs in his first year and the Colts are going to be the team nobody wants to play. Great job Frank Reich.

Hiring a defense minded coach in the new NFL where offense is King is the biggest mistake made so far by the Pegulas.

 

https://buffalonews.com/2018/11/06/letter-bills-made-wrong-choice-by-not-hiring-frank-reich/

No doubt Reich is going to become a great HC! However, for this season at least, one needs to put some context of his success i.e. recognize the impact of a stronger than expected Andrew Luck on his return, as well as something called SOS for the Colts schedule, has had on their current streak...just my 2 cents! 

Edited November 28, 2018 by BuffaLoko

[Alphadawg7]

McD made the playoffs and snapped a 17 year drought with Tyrod Taylor while Colts started terrible and still have not made the playoffs with Andrew Luck.  They are on a win streak but still no lock for playoffs.  

 

And this idea because they won 5 games in a row means we hired the wrong coach is beyond stupid considering our coach made the playoffs in his first season already and in year 2 has a rookie QB with a winning record but also missed 4 games due to injury including the Colts game.  We also have a way wors stable of receiving weapons for our rookie QB.

 

The level of stupidity of this thread is about as high as it gets.  Time will tell who has more success as a HC, but this isn’t the barometer.

 

Good for Frank, but his mini mid season success of the Colts after a longer run of poor play to start the year doesn’t equate to we hired the wrong guy.  

Edited November 28, 2018 by Alphadawg7

[Dopey]

1 hour ago, LABillzFan said:

 

I suspect they were able to join so quickly because the shut down of BBMB came so suddenly. TBD, in the past, used to be somewhat purposeful in allowing people to join. When BBMB shut down, TBD became the San Diego to BBMB's Tijuana.

 

Also, there have always been people here spewing crap. The issue is the sheer number of them now. It's better after a win or two, but the next time the Bills lose, it'll be Tijuana all over again.

Too bad we don't have donny trump to make TBD great again.

 

[The Now Moment]

3 hours ago, PeterDude said:

Like a winning football team, for like 20 years or so...

And this coaching staff was the first one to take us to the playoffs in that time but they simply aren't good enough for some fans.  Did it in their first year with limited talent too.  It's like some fans expect a coach to come in and immediately take us to the super bowl.  Where has patience gone?  Do people understand it takes time to build great things.  20 years but this coaching staff has been here for less than two and they have a playoff appearance already.  

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

3 hours ago, LTF said:

 

The Colts will beat the Chiefs this year in the playoffs. You heard it here first.

Yes, my suggestion of the other day stands.  Change your screen name from 'LTF' to 'WTF'.

 

As for your prediction, you wouldn't want to bet $5000 on it, would you?  

 

 

[BuffaloBillyG]

3 hours ago, gobills1212 said:

Good for Frank... seems like a good dude... but why is there such a need to point out every success that the Bills didnt take as a mistake? Things happen and the league progresses. Everyone gets a crack and everything. One success doesnt mean there another bunch of failures. These posts are silly 

Right? It's almost like there are 31 other teams that make roster moves and hire coaches as well,

[Jay_Fixit]

I forgot Mahomes before he was drafted.