MAJBobby Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 (edited) 26 minutes ago, PaulieYayo said: Whether would have, could have or should have, Rex produced zero results despite being in a lot of games. 15-16 record, no playoffs, a ruined defense and no rings And McD on same track if it wasnt for the Andy Dalton miracle. Or worse 25 minutes ago, billspro said: Rex’s teams couldn’t play disciplined football. We also weren’t able to play good defense which was concerning. McD teams play disciplined football. I couldnt tell the last two weeks. And how is this offense for you that McD coaches? Edited October 22, 2018 by MAJBobby 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauleeeWalnuts Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Just now, MAJBobby said: And McD on same track if it wasnt for the Andy Dalton miracle. Or worse Exactly....this is far from an upgrade from Rex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills11 Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 McDermott is seeming more and more like a good defensive coordinator than head coach and there a difference . He doesn't have the team prepared often times and he neglects the other side of the ball..a great coach has his hands on every aspect of the team 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayjent Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: The tone in the post game started to change last week against Houston. With Peterman having to go in, and eventually self destructing. Reporters started to ask pointed questions to McDermott, which he brushed off with “some throws he’d like to have back”. This press conference was more direct questions about his judgement at the QB position and the Coach keeps trying to deflect by telling everyone he has to watch the tape and Anderson had “moments”. Its really unprecedented that two times in four years the Bills have talked a backup QB out of retirement to start games for them. I think it is really fair to question whether they may have lost some vets because today looked like a team disinterested and disheartened when down 14-3, especially on D. The vets see what we see - a team that was ill prepared at the most important position. They, like many of us had hope in Allen and when he goes down and it becomes clear you are playing with Peterman or an older journeyman that hasn’t played in over a year. They were in late season, out of playoff contention form. We’ll see if they rebound next week and I assume they’ll give a better effort for a divisional home game, but if they don’t you could see things get weird and ugly over the next few weeks and all bets are off for McBean if players start openly questioning the process. That will make all of that cap space even more useless than it will already be (filling your team with high priced free agents was the mess they inherited right? So let’s do it again with guys not as good at evaluating pro personnel). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Just now, bills11 said: McDermott is seeming more and more like a good defensive coordinator than head coach and there a difference . He doesn't have the team prepared often times and he neglects the other side of the ball..a great coach has his hands on every aspect of the team The issue is that this team doesn't appear to have any direction. Like what's the plan? We're trying to run the ball and win the turnover battle and win close games like it's 1995. There is zero innovation on either side of the football and our offense for two years has looked like it's straight out of the stone age of professional football. Our passing game is essentially non existent which is just mind boggling given how the rules are set up these days. Throw in McDermott's lack of understanding percentages in certain situations on 4th down and his misuse of timeouts and we appear to be hitched to a coach who isn't going to take us to the promise land. In the NFL in 2018 you need forward thinking, progressive coaches who are trying to push the envelope with their innovation. Through two years with McDermott we haven't seen any of that. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeSomeProcess Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 That’s what happens when you have poop talent across the board on offense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 24 minutes ago, Ayjent said: I think it is really fair to question whether they may have lost some vets because today looked like a team disinterested and disheartened when down 14-3, especially on D. The vets see what we see - a team that was ill prepared at the most important position. They, like many of us had hope in Allen and when he goes down and it becomes clear you are playing with Peterman or an older journeyman that hasn’t played in over a year. They were in late season, out of playoff contention form. We’ll see if they rebound next week and I assume they’ll give a better effort for a divisional home game, but if they don’t you could see things get weird and ugly over the next few weeks and all bets are off for McBean if players start openly questioning the process. That will make all of that cap space even more useless than it will already be (filling your team with high priced free agents was the mess they inherited right? So let’s do it again with guys not as good at evaluating pro personnel). I agree with the veterans possible mental checkout because we are in Week 7. We've got 10 more weeks to go. I just look at this roster and there really is nowhere to turn. Not one young running back, or fast undrafted WR, or one offensive lineman who is ready. You don't even have Brad Smith to run the Wildcat. This offense is completely devoid of any fast players. So the game plan has to be the same every week. Hide the QB. Run the ball, dump off all day, try an occasional throw to the sideline. And you hit the nail on the head. Sure the Bills have all this cap room, so do other teams and now you have to convince them to come to Buffalo. Play for this Coach, with no QB on the roster, 11.5 ppg scoring. I also agree on Beane's staff. Kaolin Clay, Jordan Matthews, Mike Tolbert, Joe Webb, Kelvin Benjamin, Jeremy Kerley, Corey Coleman, Anquan Boldin. Just scraping the absolute bottom of the barrel in trades and free agents. I mean its Week 7 and they haven't brought in one other practice squad player from around the league. Isn't there one guy on a practice squad somewhere that runs a 4.40? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 1 hour ago, billspro said: It actually impressive how bad this offense is. In a year where there is a record amount of points the Bills are creating the worst offense I have seen since being a football fan. I didn’t think it was possible to have an offense this bad in today’s NFL. You could probably create a better offense using the remaining street free agents and a random unemployed offensive coordinator. We should consider ourselves lucky if we get one TD and double digit points. It's pretty incredible watching the rest of the league. We are so far behind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 The best thing about Marrone was that no matter what we were in games. The team didn’t get blown out and even though he wasn’t a defensive coach, the D didn’t not show up. Chan, Rex and McDermott get and got blown out way to often. The effort and performance from this defense today is inexcusable. 4 out of 7 games this season have been over before halftime. That’s ***** embarrassing. I don’t care what the situation is. You can’t have that. This is a playoff team from last season. Not the 17 Browns. For whatever reason this team just doesn’t show up for this coach almost 40% of the time. That is impossible to understand or accept. I’m not asking for a change but In my mind, I’m about done with McDermott. I hope it turns around but objectively, I’m not sure how it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills11 Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 40 minutes ago, jrober38 said: The issue is that this team doesn't appear to have any direction. Like what's the plan? We're trying to run the ball and win the turnover battle and win close games like it's 1995. There is zero innovation on either side of the football and our offense for two years has looked like it's straight out of the stone age of professional football. Our passing game is essentially non existent which is just mind boggling given how the rules are set up these days. Throw in McDermott's lack of understanding percentages in certain situations on 4th down and his misuse of timeouts and we appear to be hitched to a coach who isn't going to take us to the promise land. In the NFL in 2018 you need forward thinking, progressive coaches who are trying to push the envelope with their innovation. Through two years with McDermott we haven't seen any of that. Couldn't have put it better..it's never been easier to pass the ball then it is now yet week after we line up trying to win games like the 2000 Ravens minus the all time great defence . Since Mcbeane has been here they've completely gutted the offensive side of the ball and we've had completely unimaginative schemes..all the evidence you need is to see the transition from Jeff Fisher to mcvay . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 35 minutes ago, jrober38 said: The issue is that this team doesn't appear to have any direction. Like what's the plan? We're trying to run the ball and win the turnover battle and win close games like it's 1995. There is zero innovation on either side of the football and our offense for two years has looked like it's straight out of the stone age of professional football. Our passing game is essentially non existent which is just mind boggling given how the rules are set up these days. Throw in McDermott's lack of understanding percentages in certain situations on 4th down and his misuse of timeouts and we appear to be hitched to a coach who isn't going to take us to the promise land. In the NFL in 2018 you need forward thinking, progressive coaches who are trying to push the envelope with their innovation. Through two years with McDermott we haven't seen any of that. I agree with this. The Coach is on the record as saying his offense is predicated on running the ball with physicality because it snows in Buffalo. You trade Glenn, #12, #53, #55 for rocket-armed Josh Allen. And he goes into the season as the #2 to watch Nate Peterman and learn. The Coach seemingly can't shake his faith in noodle armed QB unless Nate is so bad that he costs his teams games. For a Coach who loves to say that he's seen it all, done it all, planned for doing the right things at the right times, knows where you're going with any question you ask him we're in Week 5 signing a 35 year old QB who was on a family vacation. When the Bills win games it looks a lot like Dick Jauron. It's 17-14 leaning on a defense the entire day, punting and playing field position. If the other team scores, the Bills only mode of winning goes out the window and they often get shelled. There is no sense that McDermott is sitting on a secret pocket of offensive knowledge to where if he had the "right" offensive players, the offense would suddenly be opened up and we'd be scoring 30+ ppg. And our fans. A large percentage of them preach the virtues of patience and just waiting longer. That the $79MM in cap space and the 2019 Draft will rebuild the entire offense. And it's too early I guess, but the real kicker is, that QB the Bills had to have at #7 doesn't look very good....so how likely is it that you get 5-6 games into 2019 and he's got to be pulled out because he stinks? McDermott got 2018 and 2019 based on the Playoffs in 2017. But the offense is deplorable. 15 minutes ago, nucci said: It's pretty incredible watching the rest of the league. We are so far behind Mahomes has 233 yards and 3 TDs, with another 40 yards rushing and they are sitting first and goal in the 2nd Quarter. We're signing 35-year old backups off beach towels to play for us in Week 7. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 1 hour ago, bills11 said: McDermott is seeming more and more like a good defensive coordinator than head coach and there a difference . He doesn't have the team prepared often times and he neglects the other side of the ball..a great coach has his hands on every aspect of the team ....agree....and we masterfully held them to 37 today.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Very concerning indeed to say the least. I'll tip my hat to Luck who played an outstanding game, but our defense disappeared early and ran for the bus late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 3 hours ago, MAJBobby said: Really? Why should they have won? Defense and get that fumble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 27 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: I agree with this. The Coach is on the record as saying his offense is predicated on running the ball with physicality because it snows in Buffalo. You trade Glenn, #12, #53, #55 for rocket-armed Josh Allen. And he goes into the season as the #2 to watch Nate Peterman and learn. The Coach seemingly can't shake his faith in noodle armed QB unless Nate is so bad that he costs his teams games. For a Coach who loves to say that he's seen it all, done it all, planned for doing the right things at the right times, knows where you're going with any question you ask him we're in Week 5 signing a 35 year old QB who was on a family vacation. When the Bills win games it looks a lot like Dick Jauron. It's 17-14 leaning on a defense the entire day, punting and playing field position. If the other team scores, the Bills only mode of winning goes out the window and they often get shelled. There is no sense that McDermott is sitting on a secret pocket of offensive knowledge to where if he had the "right" offensive players, the offense would suddenly be opened up and we'd be scoring 30+ ppg. And our fans. A large percentage of them preach the virtues of patience and just waiting longer. That the $79MM in cap space and the 2019 Draft will rebuild the entire offense. And it's too early I guess, but the real kicker is, that QB the Bills had to have at #7 doesn't look very good....so how likely is it that you get 5-6 games into 2019 and he's got to be pulled out because he stinks? McDermott got 2018 and 2019 based on the Playoffs in 2017. But the offense is deplorable. Mahomes has 233 yards and 3 TDs, with another 40 yards rushing and they are sitting first and goal in the 2nd Quarter. We're signing 35-year old backups off beach towels to play for us in Week 7. It’s so easy to play offense in the NFL. We are one of the few teams that make it look difficult. That Colts D was consistently giving up 30+ points before today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 4 hours ago, joesixpack said: Knock this ***** off. no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 4 hours ago, Boatdrinks said: I’d say no. Absolutely not. They got to 9-7 with Marrone but didn’t get the oddball tiebreaker. 9-7 with Mularkey too, and this season looks a lot like his second. 2 hours ago, PlayoffsPlease said: Turnovers and serviceable performances from Josh Allen. Serviceable is being very generous. Very Tebow like stats without the 2pt conversions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 5 hours ago, klos63 said: no Swap in Muslim for Christian and ask yourself if you’d say that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterDude Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 9 hours ago, PaulieYayo said: Exactly....this is far from an upgrade from Rex McClappity is a downgrade IMO, his whole cult-like culture/process shtick is a scam that the gullible Pegula fell for hard. Pegula is ultimately to blame here. Hired Rex, then overcorrected too far the other direction and what we have now is much worse. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpsredemption Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 43 minutes ago, PeterDude said: McClappity is a downgrade IMO, his whole cult-like culture/process shtick is a scam that the gullible Pegula fell for hard. Pegula is ultimately to blame here. Hired Rex, then overcorrected too far the other direction and what we have now is much worse. Good point. Although McBeane are in over their heads it's ultimately Pegulas doing. And ownership usually gets away unscathed around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 In a league where it is increasingly difficult to throw INT because the rules protect the offense, we have spent a million assets on a defense which NEEDS to generate turnovers to succeed. We have missed on every single offensive addition besides Dion Dawkins. We are screwed these guys have no idea how to win in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mrbojanglezs Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Take offense out of it just for the sake of it. What explains the defense being so hot and cold. Is that coaching, is that just lake of passion or lack of drive because offense is bad? The fact that they are so inconsistent on defense is very concerning and that's McDermott's specialty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 5 hours ago, joesixpack said: Swap in Muslim for Christian and ask yourself if you’d say that. It's not and will never be the case, so it's not a valid question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 10 minutes ago, klos63 said: It's not and will never be the case, so it's not a valid question. It should be. Because it makes you a bigot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFBillsfan Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 27 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: This article is spot on. I keep asking the same question....McDermott acts like we have a bunch of rookies and 2nd year players starting as each game he makes the statement we have a lot of young players. WHO exactly is he referencing? Allen, Jones and Dawkins on O, White, Milano and Edmunds on D? The majority of the starters are very experienced! How they are losing, the Qb plan for Josh and his comments postgame are very concerning! Is he not able to see what everyone else sees? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said: Take offense out of it just for the sake of it. What explains the defense being so hot and cold. Is that coaching, is that just lake of passion or lack of drive because offense is bad? The fact that they are so inconsistent on defense is very concerning and that's McDermott's specialty I think the answer to that is Flaco, Rivers, Rogers, and Luck. When facing good/great QB's performing effectively this defense is over-matched from a talent and scheme perspective. Look at their wins under McDermott. I can't recall the Bills beating a good QB playing well. It's been beating 2nd tier QB's and the better one's on an occasional off day. Edited October 22, 2018 by All_Pro_Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 14 hours ago, ngbills said: Marrone had 1 of these in 2 years Rex had 0 in his 2 years. So the 2 coaches before these guys had 1 in 4 years and he has had 7 in less than 1.5 seasons. That is awful. Beyond awful. You can not argue with the numbers and this guy is in way over his head as I have stated from the beginning. This whole thing was ass backwards from the beginning. Pegula fires "The Rex Clown show" before the season ends, & then hires Mcdipshit early in the offseason. Pegs then supposedly gives Mcdipshit the keys to the franchise, when this guy has never been nothing more than a slightly above average Defensive Coordinator. I would like to know who hired him. Was it Pegs, Rusty, Whaley? He keeps his lame duck GM Whaley on which he knows he is going to fire to oversee the draft. Immediately after the draft he then fires Whaley & lets Mcdipshit hand pick his BFF from Carolina. Any sane organization would of cleaned house the moment the season ended & started by searching for a GM to run the place. Pegs did this whole thing backwards & we are now seeing the results. I just don't see Beane/Mcdipshit getting fired after this season. But they have created a mess of epic nature here. We have an offense in a league where teams are setting NFL scoring & yard records on a weekly basis that can not even muster together a few first downs. I will say if Mcdipshit was heading the draft & not Whaley, he should be fired immediately for passing on Mahomes & Watson. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 The Bills plan under McDermott is to play football like it's 1985. Run the ball, play special teams and hold the opposition to field goals. There is nothing forward thinking about his approach at all, which is concerning when you look around the league and see that all of the best teams have progressive coaches who are constantly trying to innovate what they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 13 hours ago, Jerome007 said: The blowouts are REALLY concerning. But as for "losing the locker room", while it might sure happen, so far the Bills have bounced back time and time again under McD. The defense looked like it quit on MCD halfway thru the first quarter yesterday. Probably realized we could play 20 quarters of football & this offense isn't going to cross the goal line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 18 minutes ago, Gordio said: The defense looked like it quit on MCD halfway thru the first quarter yesterday. Probably realized we could play 20 quarters of football & this offense isn't going to cross the goal line. I don't think that's the case based on what the players said after the game. They indicated that they were not prepared for what the Colts did on offense with new looks that they hadn't seen on film. Each time the defense adjusted, the Colts would throw something new at them that they weren't ready for. The Bills were simply out-coached based on what I heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 You know what would be fun? Taking all this free cap spce and handing it to someone who knows what they're doing. Thanks for nothing McBeane, but on second thought, we'll take it from here. It will never happen, but a man can dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 1 hour ago, joesixpack said: It should be. Because it makes you a bigot. no it doesn't . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 How many playoff appearances have we had under McDermot and Beane? I think that gives them a little leeway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, BananaB said: How many playoff appearances have we had under McDermot and Beane? I think that gives them a little leeway BS, Rex(i'm no fan of Rex) made it to AFC championship games and his Baltimore defense won SB. How much time did that buy him? Not even 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 The good news is we have lots of cap space and draft picks to sign elite, game changing recievers like Zay Jones... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 7 minutes ago, pop gun said: BS, Rex(i'm no fan of Rex) made it to AFC championship games and his Baltimore defense won SB. How much time did that buy him? Not even 2 years. He was d-line coach for that Baltimore that won the SB. Marvin Lewis was the coordinator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 18 hours ago, Chicken Boo said: And you guys thought Whaley was bad. No, he was horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 5 minutes ago, pop gun said: BS, Rex(i'm no fan of Rex) made it to AFC championship games and his Baltimore defense won SB. How much time did that buy him? Not even 2 years. He did that with a different organizations, not Buffalo. McDermot did it in Buffalo and ended the ***** the drought. Huge difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, BananaB said: He did that with a different organizations, not Buffalo. McDermot did it in Buffalo and ended the ***** the drought. Huge difference. No it isn't, besides Andy Dalton ended the drought not McDermott, they were out of the playoffs until that TD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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