Allen =Jake Locker 2.0?

[YodaMan79]

With the small sample size, we've been exposed to I'm trying to keep a positive perspective on Allen's future development.  I just can shake my biggest fear with this kid, I'm seeing too many parallels with Locker.  I know the supporting cast isn't great but we're not seeing much in terms of adjustment and reading what the D is going to give him.  I support the others that advocate for taking another QB, not in the first round, but one in the 2-4 range if they see something special.  I hope ego doesn't get in the way as it has with Peterman.  The Redeskins did it with a guy they sold their souls for, Cousins was an insurance policy.  WIth the line the way it is why is the OC not focusing on quick slants an out the backfield routes, or is Allen missing them?  TEs and RBs seem to be the safety blankets for young QBs, we're not seeing it here.  Those are two positions where the Bills actually talent.  Who knows...  

 

Much of the pre-draft analysis on Locker looks like this below.  It's hitting a little close to home.

 

STRENGTHS: Locker is tall enough with a sturdy muscular build and excellent athleticism for the position. Has a rocket arm to make all the throws and fits the ball into tight windows. Shows the ability to scan the field and check down with very good touch. Extremely mobile and can make plays with his feet. Fierce competitor and leader. 

 

WEAKNESSES:  Does not show the ability to consistently make his progressions and find the open man. Misses on too many throws and his accuracy can be erratic at times. Abandons the pass early and relies too much on his feet. Plays a bit recklessly and has missed a lot of games due to injury.

[Bangarang]

Allen’s work ethic and attitude will take him places. Possibly minor league baseball like Tebow?

[5 Wide]

Jake Locker is the comparison I was thinking in my head......I hope my head is wrong.

[Success]

I get why people make comparisons - but I cringe when I see them.

 

There is no set of cookie cutters for the QB position.  In the end, Allen will be his own QB, and likely a few light years from Locker

[Bangarang]

Just now, Success said:

I get why people make comparisons - but I cringe when I see them.

 

There is no set of cookie cutters for the QB position.  In the end, Allen will be his own QB, and likely a few light years from Locker

 

Why is it likely?

[jrober38]

Locker was a better player. He was a decent football player who was undone by his accuracy, but he understood how to play the game. 

 

Allen looks a lot like Blaine Gabbert. Same pros and cons. 

[zow2]

Thanks OP.  I wanted to start a thread comparing him to Locker about a week ago but just didn't have the energy. 

 

I hated Locker's game coming out of Washington and I hated when Tennessee took him at #8 overall.  I never saw what the experts saw in Locker and I told anyone that would listen that he would be a flop in the NFL.

 

Well, all his running around finally got himself injured...and he had to be placed on the IR.  When he was replaced, he ended up retiring early.

[Success]

Just now, Bangarang said:

 

Why is it likely?

Because it usually is.  Taylor’s first year, it was all about Vick - because he ran.  He is nothing like Vick.

 

Not saying better or worse - just that everyone tends to be different.

[NewEra]

Solid comparison.  

 

I think we’ll be better with Anderson the rest of the way.  Hopefully he does t get hurt

[Bangarang]

2 minutes ago, Success said:

Because it usually is.  Taylor’s first year, it was all about Vick - because he ran.  He is nothing like Vick.

 

Not saying better or worse - just that everyone tends to be different.

 

I thought you meant he’d be light years better than Locker, my mistake 

[Mrbojanglezs]

Bills fans suck.

 

5 games in and the fan base has turned on Allen already. We all know he is a raw project with a high ceiling so he is going to need minimum 2 years. Just get used to it.

 

If you want to blame Beane/McDermott for not having a capable veteran in here than that is valid.

[MAJBobby]

Just now, NewEra said:

Solid comparison.  

 

I think we’ll be better with Anderson the rest of the way.  Hopefully he does t get hurt

Anderson should NEVER play if Allen can go. 

 

 

[LeGOATski]

He hasn't improved yet. We really need to see what he looks like next year after having the season and a full off-season as the starter.

 

I'm all for drafting another QB in the mid rounds.

[MAJBobby]

Just now, Mrbojanglezs said:

Bills fans suck.

 

5 games in and the fan base has turned on Allen already. We all know he is a raw project with a high ceiling so he is going to need minimum 2 years. Just get used to it.

 

If you want to blame Beane/McDermott for not having a capable veteran in here than that is valid.

 

So Culley is the guy to get him to that High Ceiling?  Daboll is that guy to get him to that High Ceiling?

[Not at the table Karlos]

Allen to me is a raw less accurate EJ. I felt better about EJ at the same point in their careers. 

[Mrbojanglezs]

Just now, MAJBobby said:

 

So Culley is the guy to get him to that High Ceiling?  Daboll is that guy to get him to that High Ceiling?

 

I have no idea. Culley sure as hell doesn't have a track record, that untimely falls on McDermott. Hopefully DA takes on more of that role in the coming weeks.

[targetweight185]

8 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

Locker was a better player. He was a decent football player who was undone by his accuracy, but he understood how to play the game. 

 

Allen looks a lot like Blaine Gabbert. Same pros and cons. 

 

[Success]

2 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

 

I thought you meant he’d be light years better than Locker, my mistake 

Poorly worded on my part.  

 

I think it it could go either way with Allen.  I’m a little surprised at how many seem to be writing him off already.  Of course he could be a bust, but it’s so early.

 

I still have a lot of hope that he could work out.  I love his attitude and toughness, and that arm is electric if he can gain more control...

[Bangarang]

2 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said:

Bills fans suck.

 

5 games in and the fan base has turned on Allen already. We all know he is a raw project with a high ceiling so he is going to need minimum 2 years. Just get used to it.

 

If you want to blame Beane/McDermott for not having a capable veteran in here than that is valid.

 

Nobody seems upset that Peterman is being run out of town after the same amount of games. I get it though, one wasn’t hyped to be our franchise guy.

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, Bangarang said:

 

Nobody seems upset that Peterman is being run out of town after the same amount of games. I get it though, one wasn’t hyped to be our franchise guy.

 

Peterman ahhh another QB that has been “Developed” by our WR coach playing QB coach

[jahnyc]

None of us know how Allen will develop (or not develop).  He is a project, and, if anything, more raw than I expected.  He should not have been the starter in his first year.  This is going to take time to evaluate, and the Bills will need to figure out a viable back-up QB in the interim.

[Jerome007]

20 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said:

Bills fans suck.

 

5 games in and the fan base has turned on Allen already. We all know he is a raw project with a high ceiling so he is going to need minimum 2 years. Just get used to it.

 

If you want to blame Beane/McDermott for not having a capable veteran in here than that is valid.

Yes they suck

 

I admit his seemingly "lack of progress" had dimmed my enthusiasm but it's only 5 games in, people are stupid. If you really are a fan of the Bills, yet you'd rather be right that Allen will be a bust instead of wanting him to success you just suck.

 

 

[Estro]

I see more Blaine Gabbert, who like Allen, drops his eyes and stares at the pass rush when under pressure.   A fatal QB'ing flaw IMO.

[billsherd]

Oh I see.. some of you have already decided Allen is a bust. 

[Juice_32]

I went back and re-watched on gamepass and he actually played better than I thought when watching it live. Most of the times he bailed out of the pocket there was nothing. The one thing I'd really like to see him do better is check out of runs that are set up for failure from the start.

[gjv001]

Your problem, like a lot of Bills/Sabres fans, is that your use to negative results from our Sports Teams. Allen will be fine. He will be the Bills QB that wins the Super Bowl. So change that old Buffalo loser mindset. 

[Gigs]

33 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said:

Bills fans suck.

 

5 games in and the fan base has turned on Allen already. We all know he is a raw project with a high ceiling so he is going to need minimum 2 years. Just get used to it.

 

If you want to blame Beane/McDermott for not having a capable veteran in here than that is valid.

Yeah but you’re missing the whole ‘history always repeating itself’ thing. The Bills spent a lot to get a guy who is that raw, that high, gave him absolutely no support and if they don’t start winning next year (with obvious leaps forward for a FIRST ROUND PICK) you can kiss McBeane goodbye. Then we get to start it all over again with a new HC/GM combo and a new roster turnover phase and a new QB. Lather, rinse, repeat. 

 

But yeah we just gave up lol. Nah, we just see the !@#$ing writing on the wall; we aren’t stupid. 

[MAJBobby]

Just now, gjv001 said:

Your problem, like a lot of Bills/Sabres fans, is that your use to negative results from our Sports Teams. Allen will be fine. He will be the Bills QB that wins the Super Bowl. So change that old Buffalo loser mindset. 

 

And WHAT in his history has shown any of that him being Fine??

 

where in Dabolls history has he developed a QB?

where in Culleys?

[MrEpsYtown]

I think Locker is a fair comparison, but I do think Allen is a more polished passer than Locker ever was.Locker really was an athlete playing quarterback, where I think Allen is more than that already. He wil get there. We are baically seeing what every person said we would see in the lead up to the draft. He is not ready to play and is learning on the fly. The options are sit him  and let him watch or let him play and learn on the fly. At this point with his injury I think it is a good excuse to let him take a step back for 3-4 games and then get back into the starting lineup. 

 

It has been said a million times, but not bringing in a vet and having that ridiculous 3 way competition was just poor planning by this regime. I totally agreed with the Tyrod trade. There was nothing he could teach Allen becuase he doesn't know how to play quarterback himself. The Anderson thing should have been done a long time ago. I don't care if he sucks...it insulates Allen and anything is better than Peterman. 

 

Allen will be great eventually. Keep the faith. The signs are there, he's a hard worker, and he's really smart. He will get there, but this is going to require some patience. 

[Mark80]

Can we please, maybe, possibly give Allen until at least his second season in the league before we proclaim him a bust?  My lord people.  His support is horrendous.  He was raw coming out of college.  What the hell do you people expect? 

 

We have a less than average offensive line.  We don't have a #1 or #2 quality WR on this roster.  And we have to have among the highest number of drops in the league.  

 

Talk to me about Allen's shortcomings this time next year and then I'll listen. 

[sugashane69]

I do like some of Allen's game.... big arm, can run, and if he makes a mistake he seems to shake it off..... but I'm not sold on him yet !  To be fair I would like to see him with some players that can help him WR'S , OL. That's on the front office!  So like someone else said he needs a 2nd yr. Only problem is that's ANOTHER year of mediocrity or less for the team and fans!  So if they get him some help next year.....then I'll make my decision on him.

 

STILL NOT SOLD ON DABOLL 

[GoBills!]

I see him more like Jay Cutler style with Big Ben frame. Hopefully if thats the case he can always get us to the playoffs (with some offense) and we can only complain we have a Dalton 2.0 type guy.

[BringBackOrton]

Jay Clocker would be furious reading this.

[PromoTheRobot]

Josh Allen is proof that we have no patience to develop a QB. What was said about Allen? He was a project. But how many people said start him anyway? "He'll learn on the job!" "Let's see what we have in him!" Well there you go. 5 starts and we are ready to dump him. I knew this was how it would play out.

[jrober38]

4 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Josh Allen is proof that we have no patience to develop a QB. What was said about Allen? He was a project. But how many people said start him anyway? "He'll learn on the job!" "Let's see what we have in him!" Well there you go. 5 starts and we are ready to dump him. I knew this was how it would play out.

 

When was the last time a total project like Allen worked out?

 

The cause for impatience is the fact that guys like Josh Allen never work out in the NFL. 

[Southern Bills Fan]

I would compare him to Goff. He was terrible his first year but really didn’t have many weapons. Why don’t we believe that getting him some good receivers next year year will make him a much better QB. I looking at the screen names of those complaining the loudest and they were many of the same people screaming for him to “learn on the job”

[wppete]

Nice comparison but for me Josh Allen is our Blake Bortles. pretty sad comparison but I think accurate.

[billsredneck1]

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Peterman ahhh another QB that has been “Developed” by our WR coach playing QB coach

they should have hired jordan palmer  as qb coach and not anderson. did we need a vet? yes but better than that.

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

Anderson should NEVER play if Allen can go. 

 

 

Until I see Anderson play with this offense, I’ll withhold judgement on who is the better QB.  Allen’s pocket presence is a major problem.  Drop back, first read covered, run, get hit.  If our number 1 priority is to win this season, Anderson might be the best bet.  Still an unknown though.  Allen is currently a slower mike Vick in Madden.  

 

[The Bills Blog]

I was not able to watch the game live yesterday, but I just watched it and I have to say I am deeply troubled by the media and fan reaction. I thought Josh Allen clearly played his best game yesterday. There were a lot of bright spots and a lot of throws from the pocket. You also can't just throw out plays that were called back. They still show his development. It's highly disturbing that everyone is saying he was awful and needs to be be replaced.

Edited October 15, 2018 by The Bills Blog