K-9 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Regular rookie bad. Never knew there was such a grade level of poor performance. Was he bad? Rookie bad? Regular rookie bad? Worse than regular rookie bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Just now, K-9 said: Regular rookie bad. Never knew there was such a grade level of poor performance. Was he bad? Rookie bad? Regular rookie bad? Worse than regular rookie bad? He wasn't Peterman bad. See you next week kid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills11 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 1 hour ago, VW82 said: No one's asking for perfection. If Allen had just been regular rookie bad, and we'd lost, most fans would chalk it up as a learning experience. The issue was he was really, really bad against a very average defense. That's not a good sign regardless of what stage he's at in his development. The Entire offence was so bad its hard to get a judgement on Allens performance today..it wasnt like the chargers game where allen left some plays on the field and had okish protection..daboll came in with a really bad gameplan..the o line was awful in both run and pass blocking..Im not sure how you expect a Raw rookie to perform in a circumstance where hes facing constant blitzing and the play calling doesnt adapt to that pressure...and absolutely no running game..mccoy ran the ball 5 times. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 7 hours ago, Fadingpain said: Yes it was and it's what he's been doing the entire time, save for a few big plays made with his legs. Not sure why this is surprising. He is going to get every break imaginable, plus a few more, from this fan base until their patience runs out and people start to realize he isn't the answer. I'm not going to go that far, way too much football left to be played, however, it's time for people to accept the criticism he got out of college. He looked like a deer in headlights yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryPinC Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Allen made some terrible decisions in college, threw some EJ-type interceptions that most people seem to excuse but I cannot. I did not want to get him because of this but he seems intelligent enough, it's just going to take time with him. At this point I think he was our best option other than Mayfield, but the entire situation was botched by the FO and it will be painful this year. Agree it's absolutely stupid not to have a good veteran QB to help him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BuffaloBaumer Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Can i ask why his deep ball is possibly the worst attribute out of all is so called skills? Isn't that the 1 thing he was supposed to have????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Tough day for him yesterday. The hysteria over him being a budding superstar was misplaced last week. The hysteria over him being terrible and will never improve and we need to draft another QB this coming year and on and on is , if anything, even more hysterical than saying he's a budding superstar last week. Objectively, what I saw was a kid who, when given some time by his O line, was able to go through his projections and deliver a good ball. Saw that last week, saw it on occasion yesterday. I also saw a young QB that did not do that, and may have bailed out a bit too quickly. He held on to the ball too long at times looking to make a play. I saw some very accurate balls thrown, and some not. In short, what I saw was a rookie QB that could use some help and some time to develop. Daboll needs to give the kid some outlets. Swing passes, short routes, etc. The O line has to figure out how to block blitz packages; is Bodine calling out the blocking schemes, Allen? I've said since week one I'd bench Miller and Ducasse and get two new guards. Best thing I saw is that he doesn't have the deer in the headlights look like I saw from JP and others. He'll learn from this, he'll grow. He I will bet won't make that same desperate throw back into the middle of the field waiting to get picked off throw. Rookie QBs don't make or break their careers in three games, regardless of how good or bad they look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 He looked horrible yesterday. And Daboll’s passing concepts really puzzle me at times. I imagine we’re going to see a lot more of yesterday’s offense throughout the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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John from Riverside Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 5 hours ago, BuffaloBaumer said: Can i ask why his deep ball is possibly the worst attribute out of all is so called skills? Isn't that the 1 thing he was supposed to have????? because wide receivers keep dropping it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Success Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 6 hours ago, BuffaloBaumer said: Can i ask why his deep ball is possibly the worst attribute out of all is so called skills? Isn't that the 1 thing he was supposed to have????? Its not really a huge mystery. Deep routes take more time to develop. Allen has, on average, had roughly the amount of time one would need for the average slant route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VW82 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: because wide receivers keep dropping it? Did we have any dropped passes yesterday? I can't remember one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 15 minutes ago, VW82 said: Did we have any dropped passes yesterday? I can't remember one. I don’t either. Many of them were nowhere near catchable. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 So, some buds take longer to bloom? I hope we see this clearly by year 3 or so..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 7 minutes ago, Augie said: So, some buds take longer to bloom? I hope we see this clearly by year 3 or so..... Some buds give you a heady high others just downright place you into a catatonic coma. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ddaryl Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 10 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: I don’t either. Many of them were nowhere near catchable. Yeah I would of liked to see Allen making quick hot reads and delivering strikes to WR even in close coverage.. Then we can start blaming WR's IMO He did make some sweet passes against the Vikes but the wheels came off this weekend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsMagic1 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 (edited) Get a vet QB to work with him side by side ASAP, maybe Josh McCown next year???? Edited October 1, 2018 by BuffaloBillsMagic1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 1 hour ago, VW82 said: Did we have any dropped passes yesterday? I can't remember one. Are we basing this off one game or his season of work.....because so far he has had TWO games where receivers were dropping very catchable balls Or are we just the "what have you done for me lately crowd" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 38 minutes ago, ddaryl said: Yeah I would of liked to see Allen making quick hot reads and delivering strikes to WR even in close coverage.. Then we can start blaming WR's IMO He did make some sweet passes against the Vikes but the wheels came off this weekend Are you 100% certain that no WRs missed their own hot reads yesterday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jletha Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 2 hours ago, John from Riverside said: because wide receivers keep dropping it? He also wasnt good at hitting the deep ball in college, he just had a strong arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 13 minutes ago, jletha said: He also wasnt good at hitting the deep ball in college, he just had a strong arm. He also had junk as pass catchers.... Havent we beaten this horse to death? He has put that ball on deep balls right on the money in NFL games AND HIS RECEIVERS ARE DROPPING IT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Augie said: So, some buds take longer to bloom? I hope we see this clearly by year 3 or so..... ....good Lord Augie, come to your senses......YEAR 3 around these parts?...GAME 3 is a career......... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jletha Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 14 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: He also had junk as pass catchers.... Havent we beaten this horse to death? He has put that ball on deep balls right on the money in NFL games AND HIS RECEIVERS ARE DROPPING IT Yes, one time he had a deep ball dropped. Several others have been off target or underthrown. That said I was replying in reference to someone that asked " Isn't that the 1 thing he was supposed to have?????" to which the answer is no, he never showed he was a good deep ball thrower in college. He CAN do it but he is inaccurate on those throw, like his other throws. Doesnt mean he will never hit one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 1 minute ago, jletha said: Yes, one time he had a deep ball dropped. Several others have been off target or underthrown. That said I was replying in reference to someone that asked " Isn't that the 1 thing he was supposed to have?????" to which the answer is no, he never showed he was a good deep ball thrower in college. He CAN do it but he is inaccurate on those throw, like his other throws. Doesnt mean he will never hit one. He also has WR's that are quitting on their routes or wont fight for balls? You do realize that other NFL QBs that when they throw deep balls there is an expectation that a WR will fight for a ball that is not perfect (and they often are not) Deep ball accuracy goes way down for EVERY NFL QB because of the throw.......often the difference is the guy that is catching it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VW82 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 13 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: He also has WR's that are quitting on their routes or wont fight for balls? You do realize that other NFL QBs that when they throw deep balls there is an expectation that a WR will fight for a ball that is not perfect (and they often are not) Deep ball accuracy goes way down for EVERY NFL QB because of the throw.......often the difference is the guy that is catching it Josh is missing guys by 10-15 yards on some of these throws. How do you fight for those? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 16 hours ago, VW82 said: Josh is missing guys by 10-15 yards on some of these throws. How do you fight for those? The question is "why is he missing guys by 10-15 yds?" Maybe the WR kind of gives up on the route or doesn't put full effort into it. Other times perhaps the receiver gets jammed and doesn't release off the line. There's a lot of unheralded fighting that goes on for the WR to get into the position to make the play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 I dont think there is evidence he is a budding superstar and I dont think there is evidence he is a bust. He has made some good plays and some awful plays. We have to just give this time to see if he learns from his mistakes and grows into the position. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 He’s been worse than EJ to start his career. I certainly am for giving him more time but ugh, this team has screwed up a qb’s development again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DCOrange Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 (edited) On 10/1/2018 at 8:42 AM, BuffaloBaumer said: Can i ask why his deep ball is possibly the worst attribute out of all is so called skills? Isn't that the 1 thing he was supposed to have????? His deep ball wasn't very good at Wyoming either. It was never supposed to be the one thing he had. Deep ball accuracy is much different than arm strength. His arm strength allows him to make small window throws that other QBs cannot. That and his mobility are his two calling cards. I won't link all the tweets because there's a ton of them, but YardsPerPass was going through the All-22 of Allen this week and it's just absolutely brutal to watch. It's not all on him but I would say the majority of it was this week. https://twitter.com/YardsPerPass Edited October 2, 2018 by DCOrange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBaumer Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Just now, DCOrange said: His deep ball wasn't very good at Wyoming either. It was never supposed to be the one thing he had. Deep ball accuracy is much different than arm strength. His arm strength allows him to make small window throws that other QBs cannot. That and his mobility are his two calling cards. So he can throw into small windows but is not accurate and the arm strength is meaningless for long-balls - got it. So glad this is the guy they picked.....really great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted October 2, 2018 Author Share Posted October 2, 2018 You tell me what he is supposed to do when Andre Holmes is his starting receiver. We have a bunch of 7th round picks and UDFAs starting at WR. We trade Glenn, Cog and Wood retire and who do we replace them with? You can't make Paula Deens baked mac and cheese with ramen noodles. Allen carried us against the Vikings, he flashed superstar ability against a top 10 defense. It isn't his fault Beane is a blue pill **** that has no idea on how to build a team and we apparently have 'defensive guru' at HC and DC yet they require us to spend all our draft picks on defense and literally all our money in free agency on defense! They gutted offense completely, threw out all the food in the cupboard and didn't replace it with anything! SMH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Superstar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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