Dwayne Haskins is going to be a stud

[Rad Likes The Bills]

Hopefully we don’t end up with the first pick in the draft... but if we do, and this guy is a no brainer for sure franchise Qb.

Do we :

A) Trade down and accumulate more picks.

B) Draft him, add him to the stable of Qb’s & let the cream rise to the top

C) Draft another position of need (Oliver or Bosa)

 

Didn’t miss this game!

 

I know it’s early in the season but this just feels like a year where I’m going to be paying very close attention to college football because we are going to be loading up on young talent in this draft! 

Edited September 23, 2018 by Rad Likes The Bills

[Starr Almighty]

I'd love to have 53 QBs on the roster myself

[BuffaloBillyG]

I feel like in the world of football, grown men use the word "stud" at an alarming rate when discussing 21 year old guys. 

 

Anyhow, to your question we absolutely do NOT draft a QB next year. Let's see what Allen is first. And pass rusher. We need a pass rusher. Jon Gruden says they are hard to find.

[Boatdrinks]

It’s waaaay to early to know that. Check back after say, Thanksgiving. We’ll have a better idea. 

[Augie]

23 minutes ago, Starr Almighty said:

I'd love to have 53 QBs on the roster myself

 

Is your last name Gruden? 

26 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said:

I feel like in the world of football, grown men use the word "stud" at an alarming rate when discussing 21 year old guys. 

 

Anyhow, to your question we absolutely do NOT draft a QB next year. Let's see what Allen is first. And pass rusher. We need a pass rusher. Jon Gruden says they are hard to find.

 

But, apparently they are easy to lose.....

[Teddy KGB]

You spelled Tua wrong 

[Boca BIlls]

40 minutes ago, Starr Almighty said:

I'd love to have 53 QBs on the roster myself

I'd like to have one QB on the roster...

[Kirby Jackson]

Dwayne Haskins is the next great college QB

[Augie]

7 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Dwayne Haskins is the next great college QB

 

Will he be the next great NFL QB? 

[Rad Likes The Bills]

2 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Will he be the next great NFL QB? 

He has a lot of traits that will translate, great arm, great touch and anticipation, and his footwork is excellent. Big test next week against Penn State, we will know more then. 

44 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

It’s waaaay to early to know that. Check back after say, Thanksgiving. We’ll have a better idea. 

 

Just wanted a head start on the hype train if there is one ?

[BringBackOrton]

7 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Will he be the next great NFL QB? 

NO.

[YoloinOhio]

He could be the spokesperson for viagra

[vincec]

Obviously you draft him if you think he’s a franchise QB, without any question at all. If both then look like top players you trade one later for multiple #1 picks.

Edited September 22, 2018 by vincec

[Big C]

1 hour ago, No Place To Hyde said:

I feel like in the world of football, grown men use the word "stud" at an alarming rate when discussing 21 year old guys. 

 

Anyhow, to your question we absolutely do NOT draft a QB next year. Let's see what Allen is first. And pass rusher. We need a pass rusher. Jon Gruden says they are hard to find.

 

He said going to be a stud. Calm down. 

[billsfan89]

Just now, vincec said:

Obviously you draft him if you think he’s a franchise QB, without any question at all. If both look like top players you trade one later for multiple #1 picks.

 

If you feel Allen is a franchise QB after his rookie year you are best off trying to accumulate picks in a trade down or draft Bosa or Oliver as a pass rushing force on defense. I think no matter what unless Allen looks completely tragic the Bills are going to build around Allen both via free agency and the draft.

 

As much as I like Oliver and Bosa I think the better play is to trade down for a package of picks IF it includes a top 10 selection in 2019, a 2nd round pick in 2019, a mid round pick in 2019, and a 1st and 3rd in 2020. That would set the Bills up to get 3-4 primer prospects in the 2019 draft and set the team up nicely in 2020. 

 

But if the offer is much more modest in a trade down take the stud pass rusher and figure out the rest. Odds are the Bills will have spent significantly in free agency and hopefully will have less holes to fill. Significant Pass rushers don't often become free agents so filling that need for a front line pass rusher is critical for the success of the defense. So for an extra 2nd and a future 1st I would pass and just take the pass rusher. 

[vincec]

1 minute ago, billsfan89 said:

 

If you feel Allen is a franchise QB after his rookie year you are best off trying to accumulate picks in a trade down or draft Bosa or Oliver as a pass rushing force on defense. I think no matter what unless Allen looks completely tragic the Bills are going to build around Allen both via free agency and the draft.

 

As much as I like Oliver and Bosa I think the better play is to trade down for a package of picks IF it includes a top 10 selection in 2019, a 2nd round pick in 2019, a mid round pick in 2019, and a 1st and 3rd in 2020. That would set the Bills up to get 3-4 primer prospects in the 2019 draft and set the team up nicely in 2020. 

 

But if the offer is much more modest in a trade down take the stud pass rusher and figure out the rest. Odds are the Bills will have spent significantly in free agency and hopefully will have less holes to fill. Significant Pass rushers don't often become free agents so filling that need for a front line pass rusher is critical for the success of the defense. So for an extra 2nd and a future 1st I would pass and just take the pass rusher. 

Would be a Whaley like mistake. If you don’t have a clear franchise QB and one is available who believe will be great, it would be silly not to take him. You can get back more than what you spent in draft capital for the other one if he’s good as well.

[TigerJ]

A major factor in the Bills' offseason strategy will be what they think of Josh Allen's development through the season.  Supposing they decide they need to draft another QB early, at that point they have to decide which of several possible choices they might make.  Haskins has one strike against him in that Urban Meyer does not have a stellar record in sending his QBs on to have successful careers in the NFL.  Tim Tebow had some modest success as an unconventional QB for a little while, but not what I would call a decent career.  It may be that Haskins will break the mold, but he need to do a whole lot more than he has so far to show that his game will translate to the NFL.

[billsfan89]

1 minute ago, vincec said:

Would be a Whaley like mistake. If you don’t have a clear franchise QB and one is available who believe will be great, it would be silly not to take him. You can get back more than what you spent in draft capital for the other one if he’s good as well.

 

If you feel Allen is a franchise QB why draft another one? Allen's trade value if he has an expected rookie season isn't going to yield pick 7 or anything even close to picks 12, 53, and 56 that were used to trade up for him. This idea that you can just draft a bunch of QB and surely one will look good is flawed. Now if you don't feel Allen is a franchise QB then you make the move to get a new one. 

 

At some point you have to put QB's in a position to be successful. Assuming you have a top 3 pick that's a tremendous asset, if you use it to draft a QB that's investing a big component of what can improve a team. Should the Titans have drafted Jared Goff the year after they draft Mariota? No the Titans took an insane offer of 2 second round picks, a third round pick, and a first and third the year after. 

 

Once again this is based off the concept of the Bills feeling like Josh Allen can be a top level QB. Yes if he looks incompetent you can reassess. But there is no sure thing in the draft and there is no certainty that your previously drafted QB will hold any significant trade value. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

It’s funny but not 4 months ago I recall numerous discussions saying that the 2019 class would not have ANY quality QB’s. 

 

How a matter of a few weeks of college football changed opinions 

 

[bobs0108]

I think Herbert from Oregon is also a top QB so it we have the top two pick their should be a few teams willing to trade up for a kings ransom. 

[billsfan_34]

2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Dwayne Haskins is the next great college QB

What about Tyree Jackson? Never know ?

Edited September 23, 2018 by billsfan_34

[H2o]

Haskins can throw the ball better than Pryor, better than Cardale, and better than Barrett. I think he has a shot if he continues to improve with his reads and manipulating the defense. 

Edited September 23, 2018 by H2o

[Rad Likes The Bills]

23 minutes ago, H2o said:

Haskins can throw the ball better than Pryor, better than Cardale, and better than Barrett. I think he has a shot if he continues to improve with his reads and manipulating the defense. 

He throws the ball with zip and great placement. Very accurate and also Paris Campbell is excellent. Hope  we get him 

[BillsVet]

3 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

It’s waaaay to early to know that. Check back after say, Thanksgiving. We’ll have a better idea. 

 

TBD's college scouts have written up their report and are apparently taking the next 7 months off until draft day.  You haven't heard? ? 

[LeGOATski]

Has an Urban Meyer QB ever become a good NFL QB?

 

Just curious.

 

I think Alex Smith was

 

[Mark92]

I would love for us to get the #1 pick.  Trading it for a Kings Ransom would really speed the rebuild along.  Say the Giants have the #6 pick and trade it along with their 2nd and 3rd this year and their 1st next year.  That's 3 #1's, 2 #2's and 2 #3's the next two drafts.  Along with the 90 mil in cap space...... Man it's going to be fun watching this team reload.  

Or we just draft Oliver / Bosa and have our Edge rusher of the future.  

[frostbitmic]

I thought I read here that the 2019 draft class for QB's was going to suck.

[bouds]

Listen, the Chargers faced this problem when they drafted Brees in the 2nd round and he didn't develop fast enough, they moved on with Rivers, but Brees exploded that same year.  It seemed like less of a risk, because Brees was a 2nd rounder, but a sunk cost is a sunk cost.  Pick the best players and let them compete.

 

Honestly, I don't have a single !@#$ing problem with taking a QB again, really don't.  Personally I think Allen was a reach, so I don't expect much from him, but he's going to get the full year and if he doesn't show improvement and this team is drafting near the top then you bet your ass they better consider another QB, only other guy on the roster is Peterman....

 

If you hit on both trade one, it's a good problem to have.  Draft the best player and if it happens to be a QB so be it, let them fight and pick the best one.  Honestly, Allen is going to flame out, book it.  This is what will happen with the Bills, you all know it.  2019 first overall, we pass on a stud QB, Allen never materializes and we're !@#$ed for another decade.

Edited September 23, 2018 by bouds

[PolishPrince]

Are we basing this off a game where Haskins is on the 4th ranked team in the nation and he beat up unranked Tulane?

Man and people were giving crap to Allen for playing against poor competition.... I mean I know Wyoming is a powerhouse and all

[YoloinOhio]

3 hours ago, TigerJ said:

A major factor in the Bills' offseason strategy will be what they think of Josh Allen's development through the season.  Supposing they decide they need to draft another QB early, at that point they have to decide which of several possible choices they might make.  Haskins has one strike against him in that Urban Meyer does not have a stellar record in sending his QBs on to have successful careers in the NFL.  Tim Tebow had some modest success as an unconventional QB for a little while, but not what I would call a decent career.  It may be that Haskins will break the mold, but he need to do a whole lot more than he has so far to show that his game will translate to the NFL.

That is correct (you left out Alex Smith though) but Dwayne is ...different. He’s not the typical Urban Meyer QB. He’s a pro-style pure passer. We all wondered what he was doing recruiting him, and what Haskins was doing committing here given that Urban always runs his QBs. But it was his dream to be a Buckeye and here he is. So the offense has changed this year after years of Braxton and JT. No more designed QB runs, and on the Read option Haskins almost always chooses to pass. He can make every throw, has a huge arm, is extreme accurate, he’s giant, and his feet are super smooth. His anticipation has been the most impressive thing. He’s by far the best passer Urban has ever had. The ability to throw downfield with an NFL arm has changed everything with how teams need to defend. 

 

He did bring in a QB behind Dwayne who is in more of his traditional Urban mold, Tate Martell from Bishop Gorman in Las Vegas. Martell is supremely talented and has been playing a lot this year in certain packages ... he’s similar to a Johnny manziel type of player (on the field). The pro style QB isn’t a fluke though, he also brought in matt Baldwin in this class, from Baker Mayfield’s HS in Austin. 

 

Another urban Meyer QB to watch is Joe Burrow at LSU. He was developed at OSU and grad-transferred when Haskins won the job. He’s similar to an Alex Smith. 

 

At this point Haskins has only played 4.5 games. He will be tested big time at psu next week and will continue to have to face tougher competition. He’s also playing with a very good OL and weapons everywhere, so important to understand that too. But he faced his biggest test so far in his very first game, at Michigan last year, and passed -that was a nasty defense too. 

Edited September 23, 2018 by YoloinOhio

[H2o]

4 minutes ago, PolishPrince said:

Are we basing this off a game where Haskins is on the 4th ranked team in the nation and he beat up unranked Tulane?

Man and people were giving crap to Allen for playing against poor competition.... I mean I know Wyoming is a powerhouse and all

Actually he has been excellent the first 4 games which is why I said if he continues to improve with his reads and manipulating the defense he has a shot. Big test next week against Penn St. He passed the TCU test already. He's also only a Sophomor. I'm not giving up on Allen yet, just speaking on the subject of Haskins. 

[bouds]

TCU has a great coaching staff too, that D is well prepared, they had a good shot at winning but a series of second half errors cost them the game.  

[PolishPrince]

5 minutes ago, H2o said:

Actually he has been excellent the first 4 games which is why I said if he continues to improve with his reads and manipulating the defense he has a shot. Big test next week against Penn St. He passed the TCU test already. He's also only a Sophomor. I'm not giving up on Allen yet, just speaking on the subject of Haskins. 

I will admit I dont follow college football, but I looked up his games. He has played Oregon State, Rutgers, TCU, and Tulane. Are any of them good? I see TCU is ranked 17th but I dont understand how when they are 2-2 and lost to unranked Texas 31-16 the game after Haskins played.

Edited September 23, 2018 by PolishPrince

[YoloinOhio]

22 minutes ago, PolishPrince said:

I will admit I dont follow college football, but I looked up his games. He has played Oregon State, Rutgers, TCU, and Tulane. Are any of them good? I see TCU is ranked 17th but I dont understand how when they are 2-2 and lost to unranked Texas 31-16 the game after Haskins played.

I think TCU is really good. You should watch them. They are very fast, talented and incredibly well coached. They are ranked 17 because the rankings are from last week. They will drop after losing to Texas. They only dropped two spots after losing to OSU because they played so well and OSU is highly ranked. It isn’t uncommon to see teams rise up and give everything vs OSU and then lose the following week to a lesser opponent. Texas does seem to be getting better though after their initial start to the season. They will likely end the year yanked. 

 

Haskins also played at Michigan last year in 2nd half after barrett got hurt. Anyway, you should watch him play. He’s quite the talent. Btw his numbers from Tulane today - 21-24 for 304 and 5 TDs - were just from the 1st half. They played the backups in the 2nd half. 

Edited September 23, 2018 by YoloinOhio

[PolishPrince]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I think TCU is really good. You should watch them. They are very fast, talented and incredibly well coached. They are ranked 17 because the rankings are from last week. They will drop after losing to Texas. They only dropped two spots after losing to OSU because they played so well and OSU is highly ranked. It isn’t uncommon to see teams rise up and give everything vs OSU and then lose the following week to a lesser opponent. Texas does seem to be getting better though after their initial start to the season. They will likely end the year yanked. 

 

Haskins also played at Michigan last year in 2nd half after barrett got hurt. Anyway, you should watch him play. He’s quite the talent.

So how did they rank TCU? They beat SMU and and "Southern U." I honestly dont know how the rankings work, but I dont think beating Southern U and SMU should get them many wow points lol 

[YoloinOhio]

1 minute ago, PolishPrince said:

So how did they rank TCU? They beat SMU and and "Southern U." I honestly dont know how the rankings work, but I dont think beating Southern U and SMU should get them many wow points lol 

It’s based on the preseason rankings and they go from there. So they won their 1st two games and didn’t drop. I am not sure where they started but they are perennially a top 10 to 15 team. 

[billspro]

5 hours ago, Rad Likes The Bills said:

Hopefully we don’t end up with the first pick in the draft... but if we do, and this guy is a no brainer for sure franchise Qb.

Do we :

A) Trade down and accumulate more picks.

B) Draft him, add him to the stable of Qb’s & let the cream rise to the top

C) Draft another position of need (Oliver or Bosa)

 

Didn’t miss this game!

 

I know it’s early in the season but this just feels like a year where I’m going to be paying very close attention to college football because we are going to be loading up on young talent in this draft! 

 

If we end up with the first overall we better take a QB or trade down for three number 1s. As good as Bosa and Oliver are Dlineman don’t turn franchises around.

[Rico]

Take the advice of a big Art Schlichter fan. Just say NO to Ohio State QBs.

[Formerly Allan in MD]

Go right ahead and draft a bunch of stud quarterbacks and find one that can play with an "offensive" line in front of him.  Alternatively, use some high picks on stud offensive linemen and protect Allen while opening some holes, for a change, for running backs. 

[Kirby Jackson]

I don’t think that the Bills are looking at a QB. I do think that Haskins is an elite QB prospect. He’s incredibly accurate and poised. He can (and does) make every throw. On the year he is 87-115, 75.7% completion, 1,194 yards, 16 TDs, 1 INT. It would actually be more if he played the second half of some of these games. He’s different.