Tyrod Taylor finally unleashed in a "competent offense with weapons."

[gobills1212]

46 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

Lo and behold my children, the miracle of Tyrod Taylor.  Gone are the foolish OC's, your Greg Roman's, your Anthony Lynn's, your Rick Dennison's.  Yes, these men all had promising career's before Tyrod but he exposed them as the hacks they are!  Gone are the terrible weapons of Watkins, Woods, Hogan, Goodwin, Clay, Benjamin, Shady.  I ask, were any of these players successful at any point in their careers without Tyrod manning the QB station? The results speak for themselves!

 

Behold what Tyrod has accomplished going to a competent organization chock full of first round picks and cap space.  An organization who needed a QB that was a pillar of stability.  Surround him with weapons, with WR's who have had career success or were highly drafted, with a HB group that can beat you several different ways, with a promising OL, and a defense filled to the brim with talent.  Look upon Tyrod's works, ye mighty, and despair!

 

You thought the two time ninth AFC Pro Bowl alternate would fail?  Repent!

 

If i could read through the blurriness i might be impressed

[87168]

the kicker missed 4 FG attempts, totaling 8 pts last game. 

 

TT was 22/30 246 yrds 1TD 1INT.

 

keep the crusade alive, I guess.

[gobills1212]

9 minutes ago, Rocbillsfan1 said:

Dude is a not a good qb. Beane should win an award for getting a top third round pick for him. 

Word to Big Bird

[transplantbillsfan]

2 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

If he wins a playoff game I will still eat my shoe. I always felt that we should've suck with Fitz and drafted good talent around him while grooming a young QB behind him. The Weapons Taylor had are still producing solid to good numbers for other teams. The weapons Fitz had are working at UPS and Jewel now.

 

Absolutely agree on the Fitz thing.

 

We could and should have kept Fitz at his reasonable contract and we STILL could have drafted Manuel in the 1st.  And at that point at least Manuel wouldn't have been forced to play... unless that damn mat would have just hunted Fitz down somehow the way it did Kolb.

 

 

Speaking of which, that choice of Kolb was a really underwhelming vet to bring in, anyway... kinda like AJ McCarron this year 

[K-9]

6 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

A lot of his sacks are scrambles that go OOB behind the line of scrimmage. Still counts as a sack, doesn't mean he isn't still running.

I understand that, which is why I was curious as to the nature of his sacks.. So he’s still taking off and running a lot vs. staying in the pocket then? I haven’t seen him except on highlights, etc. But if he’s still bailing out too early, I can see his OC telling Hue that he’d rather have Baker in there. 

[BringBackOrton]

1 minute ago, gobills1212 said:

If i could read through the blurriness i might be impressed

You have to click the picture.

[reddogblitz]

bottom line.  If he had been able to take haushka with him, his team would be 2-0.

[Bing Bong]

I mean.. he is doing better than last year. Is that not true? He's missed kicks away from being 2-0

[NewEra]

58 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

Lo and behold my children, the miracle of Tyrod Taylor.  Gone are the foolish OC's, your Greg Roman's, your Anthony Lynn's, your Rick Dennison's.  Yes, these men all had promising career's before Tyrod but he exposed them as the hacks they are!  Gone are the terrible weapons of Watkins, Woods, Hogan, Goodwin, Clay, Benjamin, Shady.  I ask, were any of these players successful at any point in their careers without Tyrod manning the QB station? The results speak for themselves!

 

Behold what Tyrod has accomplished going to a competent organization chock full of first round picks and cap space.  An organization who needed a QB that was a pillar of stability.  Surround him with weapons, with WR's who have had career success or were highly drafted, with a HB group that can beat you several different ways, with a promising OL, and a defense filled to the brim with talent.  Look upon Tyrod's works, ye mighty, and despair!

 

You thought the two time ninth AFC Pro Bowl alternate would fail?  Repent!

 

And how many wins does he have?  He’s not 2-0.  He’s -0-1-1

Edited September 18, 2018 by NewEra

[GunnerBill]

Tyrod is as Tyrod does. What he is and what he does has been apparent to me since the Cincy game in the middle of 2016. His limitations are laid bare and the league has seen them. 

 

I wasn't a big Allen guy coming out but sign me up for taking my lumps with someone like Josh who has a chance to be better than serviceable. 

 

Tyrod is a decent guy and a decent bridge Quarterback. There is no disgrace in that. 

[starrymessenger]

13 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Absolutely agree on the Fitz thing.

 

We could and should have kept Fitz at his reasonable contract and we STILL could have drafted Manuel in the 1st.  And at that point at least Manuel wouldn't have been forced to play... unless that damn mat would have just hunted Fitz down somehow the way it did Kolb.

 

 

Speaking of which, that choice of Kolb was a really underwhelming vet to bring in, anyway... kinda like AJ McCarron this year 

 

I stopped reading when you said "still could have drafted Manuel in the 1st".

[Mark80]

Couldn't win a game where his defense gave him 6 turnovers to work with.  That's embarrassing.

[Tyrod's friend]

1 hour ago, pop gun said:

He's been downright horrible in the first half of games even through the 3rd quarter. Been better in the 4th quarter when he hasn't had a choice but to throw the ball.

 

22 pass yards in the 1st quarter of 2 games, wow that's bad.

 

Split	Value	Cmp	Att	Inc	Cmp%	Yds	TD	1D	Int	Rate	Sk	Yds	Y/A	AY/A	Att	Yds	Y/A	TD	1D
Quarter	1st Qtr	6	11	5	54.55	22	0	2	0	60.0	1		2.0	2.00	3	22	7.3	0	1
	2nd Qtr	9	11	2	81.82	94	0	4	0	102.3	3		8.5	8.55	3	11	3.7	0	1
	3rd Qtr	7	14	7	50.00	97	0	4	0	72.6	3		6.9	6.93	3	35	11.7	1	2
	4th Qtr	13	27	14	48.15	215	2	7	2	69.2	2		8.0	6.11	3	35	11.7	0	1
	OT	2	7	5	28.57	15	0	0	0	39.6	1		2.1	2.14	0	0		0	0
	1st Half	15	22	7	68.18	116	0	6	0	80.9	4		5.3	5.27	6	33	5.5	0	2
	2nd Half	20	41	21	48.78	312	2	11	2	70.4	5		7.6	6.39	6	70	11.7	1	3

OMG.

This entire thread is rich. You guys are pointing at a QB on another team and talking about a passing "attack". Perhaps you should all just sit in the corner and not worry about what another team has at QB. 

And yeah, he did enough to win two games against the Saints and the Steelers. That's about what the guy is and was - someone that gave you a chance. Good luck finding a chance in the next two years.

Edited September 18, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan
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[transplantbillsfan]

Just now, starrymessenger said:

 

I stopped reading when you said "still could have drafted Manuel in the 1st".

 

What I'm saying is that if their plan was to draft a QB in that draft, whoever their QB may have been, the choice to draft a QB or keep Fitz weren't mutually exclusive.

 

We could have done both.  There was no reason to let Fitz go.

 

Manuel probably never would have had it in him to be a viable NFL starting QB.  He's just too emotionally and mentally frail.  I agree with you there.  I think Trent Edwards had a better chance to be a Franchise QB than Manuel if he didn't get knocked the !@#$ out by Adrian Wilson in Arizona.  But those chances would have at least increased if he sat behind a smart, tough vet like Fitz and, at worst, we could have just kept playing Fitz.

[BuffaloBillyG]

1 hour ago, BringBackOrton said:

Lo and behold my children, the miracle of Tyrod Taylor.  Gone are the foolish OC's, your Greg Roman's, your Anthony Lynn's, your Rick Dennison's.  Yes, these men all had promising career's before Tyrod but he exposed them as the hacks they are!  Gone are the terrible weapons of Watkins, Woods, Hogan, Goodwin, Clay, Benjamin, Shady.  I ask, were any of these players successful at any point in their careers without Tyrod manning the QB station? The results speak for themselves!

 

Behold what Tyrod has accomplished going to a competent organization chock full of first round picks and cap space.  An organization who needed a QB that was a pillar of stability.  Surround him with weapons, with WR's who have had career success or were highly drafted, with a HB group that can beat you several different ways, with a promising OL, and a defense filled to the brim with talent.  Look upon Tyrod's works, ye mighty, and despair!

 

You thought the two time ninth AFC Pro Bowl alternate would fail?  Repent!

 

Between this and your user name makes me wonder if Facebook stalking ex girlfriends is a routine Saturday night.

[PromoTheRobot]

1 hour ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

What’s the point of this?  

 

[BringBackOrton]

4 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said:

Between this and your user name makes me wonder if Facebook stalking ex girlfriends is a routine Saturday night.

She doesn't know what she's missing bro!

[Alphadawg7]

If not for a terrible kicker, Browns would be 2-0.  

 

Meanwhile, Bills have 2nd lowest points scored in the league and have also allowed the most points in the league.  We started the worst QB in NFL history week 1 and had a player retire at halftime week 2.  

 

Bills fans are literally the last people on Earth that should be mocking another team or player right now given what we have put on the field so far.

 

Second, who the hell cares, Tyrod is gone, some people need to let it go or seek therapy to help them cope with their PTSD (Post Tyrod Stress Disorder).

Edited September 18, 2018 by Alphadawg7

[BringBackOrton]

2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

If not for a terrible kicker, Browns would be 2-0.  

 

Meanwhile, Bills have lowest points scored in the league and have also allowed the most points in the league.  We started the worst QB in NFL history week 1 and had a player retire at halftime week 2.  

 

Bills fans are literally the last people on Earth that should be mocking another team or player right now given what we have put on the field so far.

 

Second, who the hell cares, Tyrod is gone, some people need to let it go or seek therapy to help them cope with their PTSD (Post Tyrod Syndrome Disorder).

Syndrome Disorder? Back to drawing board, pal.

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

If not for a terrible kicker, Browns would be 2-0.  

 

Meanwhile, Bills have lowest points scored in the league and have also allowed the most points in the league.  We started the worst QB in NFL history week 1 and had a player retire at halftime week 2.  

 

Bills fans are literally the last people on Earth that should be mocking another team or player right now given what we have put on the field so far.

 

Second, who the hell cares, Tyrod is gone, some people need to let it go or seek therapy to help them cope with their PTSD (Post Tyrod Syndrome Disorder).

Cardinals.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

 Horrible!!!  it COULD NOT possibly get any worse than Tyrod Taylor 443 yds passing, his PIT tie and OT loss to saints.  

 

Thanks goodness these non running pocket passers are around to save the day... 

 

Player	Att	Comp	Yds	Comp %	Yds/Att	TD	TD %	INT	INT %	Long	Sck	Sack/Lost	Rating
Nathan Peterman	18	5	24	27.8	1.3	0	0.0	2	11.1	10	3	12	0.0

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, BringBackOrton said:

I'm sorry, would you like another topic entitled "McD has lost this team AND I'M NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE!!" filled with prose that is the literary equivalent of diarrhea?

 

Can I vote "neither of the above"?

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Where he normally is  AT the bottom 

 

http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing

 

37 of 70  @ 52.9%.   those better receivers aren't doing him any favors 

[BillsVet]

Too bad seasons and careers, or for that matter personnel decisions aren't or qualified after 2 games. 

 

The instant analysis crowd really struggles when there's a need to see things over the long haul. Tuh-rod spent 3 season in Buffalo with declining numbers, specifically YPA, yards passing per game, and of course, struggled to win games coming from behind.

 

Baker is their guy and he'll supplant TT at some point this season when the latter goes back to doing what he normally does: take few chances downfield.

 

 

Edited September 18, 2018 by BillsVet

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

1 hour ago, Batman1876 said:

If the Browns lose to the Jets on Thursday, or if Darnold plays better that Taylor then it's going to be hard to keep Taylor on the field.

 

 

That also gives them a few extra days too to bring in Baker

 

[BringBackOrton]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Can I vote "neither of the above"?

Absolutely.  Just gotta click the little red "X" in the top right of your screen.

[Mr. WEO]

I recall seeing posts last season claiming that the Browns were loaded with talent, yet they again had one of the worst offenses and defense in the league.

 

If the Browns HC was not Hue Jackson, there's no way, after 2 more winless weeks to start the season, TT would be QB in week 3........

[reddogblitz]

20 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Absolutely agree on the Fitz thing.

 

We could and should have kept Fitz at his reasonable contract and we STILL could have drafted Manuel in the 1st.  And at that point at least Manuel wouldn't have been forced to play... unless that damn mat would have just hunted Fitz down somehow the way it did Kolb.

 

 

Speaking of which, that choice of Kolb was a really underwhelming vet to bring in, anyway... kinda like AJ McCarron this year 

 

The thing that irks me on the whole Josh deal is we are pretty much doing EXACTLY the same with Josh as we did with EJ.  First we signed a PROJECT QB. Then we ran off the incumbent Vet starter that could have started some games and helped the new guy.  For EJ it was Fitz and for Josh of course Hotrod.  We even did it for the same reason.  "they make too much moeny."  (they didn't).  then we sign some off the shelf vet and they don't even make it out of pre season.  So we start the season with the new QB plus another inexperienced schmuck as backup.  EJ had Tuel Time.  Josh had Nasty Nate. Then we had to start him (before he's ready) because he's all we got.

 

Talk about dong the same thing and expecting different results.

 

 

[Boca BIlls]

This thread is racist b.c it doesn't make Tyrod look good.

[H2o]

Mayfield will get his shot this year at some point whether it be with Hue Jackson coaching or someone else. He will be better than Tyrod as well. 

[BringBackOrton]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

I recall seeing posts last season claiming that the Browns were loaded with talent, yet they again had one of the worst offenses and defense in the league.

 

If the Browns HC was not Hue Jackson, there's no way, after 2 more winless weeks to start the season, TT would be QB in week 3........

Dude, there were posts a month ago that hammering the Brown win total over was free money.

 

What a country.  Vegas is laughing.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, BringBackOrton said:

Lo and behold my children, the miracle of Tyrod Taylor.  (...)Behold what Tyrod has accomplished going to a competent organization chock full of first round picks and cap space.  (....) Look upon Tyrod's works, ye mighty, and despair!

 

Cleveland has a -3 point PF/PA differential

Bills are at -55, that's right, 55, fifty five, more points allowed than scored.

We never approached that, the 3 years TT was here.

 

Unless your point is that Tyrod and the Browns are doing better right now than the Bills are or simply to lose yourself in admiration of your rhapsodic bloviation, I'm not sure -

What IS Your Point?

[Mr. WEO]

5 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

Dude, there were posts a month ago that hammering the Brown win total over was free money.

 

What a country.  Vegas is laughing.

 

 

Was that in the thread that "vegas" was trying to convince us that all the smart money was on Cleveland to reach the SB?

[BringBackOrton]

3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Cleveland has a -3 point PF/PA differential

Bills are at -55, that's right, 55, fifty five, more points allowed than scored.

We never approached that, the 3 years TT was here.

 

Unless your point is that Tyrod and the Browns are doing better right now than the Bills are or simply to lose yourself in admiration of your rhapsodic bloviation, I'm not sure -

What IS Your Point?

Unless you think Tyrod would've strapped on a helmet and played CB, I don't care about points allowed.

 

My point is that Tyrod still sucks in Cleveland, and even though there were whispers about how he was going to get them between 6-8 wins, he's already about to be benched for sucking and not being able to meet the lofty goal of winning a single game for the Browns.

 

The Steelers turned it over 6 times to the Browns and Tuh managed a tie.  Incredible stuff.

Edited September 18, 2018 by BringBackOrton

[Alaska Darin]

41 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

I mean.. he is doing better than last year. Is that not true? He's missed kicks away from being 2-0

Because the Browns literally have double the turnover differential of any team in the NFL.

 

TT is who we thought he was.

[RoyBatty is alive]

Tyrods numbers are very close to Allen with Tyrpd getting the slight edge.

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Cleveland has a -3 point PF/PA differential

Bills are at -55, that's right, 55, fifty five, more points allowed than scored.

We never approached that, the 3 years TT was here.

 

Unless your point is that Tyrod and the Browns are doing better right now than the Bills are or simply to lose yourself in admiration of your rhapsodic bloviation, I'm not sure -

What IS Your Point?

Cleveland is =24th right now in PPG offensively. Being that QB has relatively little to do with the defensive side of the ball, I'd say point diff is irrelevant to the discussion. Their defense is keeping them in games, and (as is characteristic of a Taylor led attack) their offense isn't doing enough to get the W.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

8 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

The thing that irks me on the whole Josh deal is we are pretty much doing EXACTLY the same with Josh as we did with EJ.  First we signed a PROJECT QB. Then we ran off the incumbent Vet starter that could have started some games and helped the new guy.  For EJ it was Fitz and for Josh of course Hotrod.  We even did it for the same reason.  "they make too much moeny."  (they didn't).  then we sign some off the shelf vet and they don't even make it out of pre season.  So we start the season with the new QB plus another inexperienced schmuck as backup.  EJ had Tuel Time.  Josh had Nasty Nate. Then we had to start him (before he's ready) because he's all we got.

 

Talk about dong the same thing and expecting different results.

 

Exactly.  Exactly. 

 

Right down to, with EJ, giving him NO QB coach his first season

With Allen, giving him a QB coach who last coached QB when dinosaurs roamed the earth and a gallon of gas cost less than a buck

 

 

[Tyrod's friend]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

Cleveland is =24th right now in PPG offensively. Being that QB has relatively little to do with the defensive side of the ball, I'd say point diff is irrelevant to the discussion. Their defense is keeping them in games, and (as is characteristic of a Taylor led attack) their offense isn't doing enough to get the W.

They put the kicker into a place where the team should have won. Twice. 

It's what Tyrod does; he gives you a chance. 

[GoBills808]

Just now, Tyrod's friend said:

They put the kicker into a place where the team should have won. Twice. 

It's what Tyrod does; he gives you a chance. 

And who wouldn't want a QB who can put the team in a position to lose based on a kick, right?