BringBackOrton Posted September 20, 2018 Author Share Posted September 20, 2018 6 minutes ago, ngbills said: We have a coach that has chosen multiple times to start Peterman. We have signed multiple players that choose to retire over being a Bill. Our team is getting destroyed on the regular. Yet we are talking about Tyrod sucking? It is like the 400 lb girl with a beard making fun of the super hot girl for having a pimple. 0fer is a super hot girl. What a country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 52 minutes ago, ngbills said: We have a coach that has chosen multiple times to start Peterman. We have signed multiple players that choose to retire over being a Bill. Our team is getting destroyed on the regular. Yet we are talking about Tyrod sucking? It is like the 400 lb girl with a beard making fun of the super hot girl for having a pimple. I guess that makes Blake Bortles a supermodel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 6 hours ago, BigDingus said: Lol ok...this post made me laugh. There will always be those in denial though that believe Tyrod was a franchise QB, and that he was an "efficient" QB for the sole reason being that he didn't turn the ball over (hint: that alone doesn't make you efficient) Does that plus leading the offense to top 1/3 of the league in scoring 2 years in a row make you efficient? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 20 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: ... Taylor was a starting QB for an NFL team 3 years in a row, now going into his 4th.... im not sure using the Bills and Browns as the metric here is really boosting your argument much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, Foxx said: im not sure using the Bills and Browns as the metric here is really boosting your argument much. On the contrary, as a starter for the Bills and Browns, he is 23-21-1. Having a record above .500 on those teams feels impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 7 hours ago, BigDingus said: I dunno...Tyrod is 3-2 against the Jets, where he just lights the scoreboard on fire & cranks out a record book-worthy average of 19/30 passing for 229 yards, 1.5 TD's & 0.5 INT's. That's insane for T-Mobile! Do you see that? That's like...over 30 yards more per game than his average last season! I dunno if I've got enough popcorn & bourbon for that kinda performance! the Jets defense isn't the Steeler or Saint defense. could be a rough evening for Tyrod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Honestly, I am excited for a Jets Browns game and I’m not even drunk yet. 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: On the contrary, as a starter for the Bills and Browns, he is 23-21-1. Having a record above .500 on those teams feels impressive. the previous 45 games the Bills played they were 19-26 with the likes of Fitzpatrick, EJ Manuel, Thaddeus Lewis, Jeff Tuel and Kyle Orton. so yeah, i guess your right, he is most definately 4 games better than those.... qbs. Edited September 20, 2018 by Foxx 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, Foxx said: the previous 45 games the Bills played they were 19-26 with the likes of Fitzpatrick, EJ Manuel, Thaddeus Lewis, Jeff Tuel and Kyle Orton. so yeah, i guess your right, he is most definately 4 games better than those.... qbs. That is the point so many seem to miss. In games when Tyrod does not play or teams before and after home they do worse. He may not be the franchise guy but he is better than many of the alternatives. That is a valuable asset in that he can hold the fort down until you find the guy. It is quite ignorant to say that he is as awful as many try to say. Bottom line is he can start in this league and win in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 If TT is so bad, what’s that say about the first overall selection in the draft? 21 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Honestly, I am excited for a Jets Browns game and I’m not even drunk yet. Its like playoffs are already here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, ngbills said: That is the point so many seem to miss. In games when Tyrod does not play or teams before and after home they do worse. He may not be the franchise guy but he is better than many of the alternatives. That is a valuable asset in that he can hold the fort down until you find the guy. It is quite ignorant to say that he is as awful as many try to say. Bottom line is he can start in this league and win in this league. again, saying Tyrod was/is even just okay because he was been starting for 3+ years is not the best argument when one considers exactly whom he has been starting for. jus' my 2 satoshi... Edited September 20, 2018 by Foxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: If TT is so bad, what’s that say about the first overall selection in the draft? Its like playoffs are already here They have a pretty ignorant and awful head coach, 1-32-1 now. I think that is the reason the first overall selection is not playing, it's definitely not because he is less talented than a 6th round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice_32 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 I wonder how many generations it will take before our offspring finally put an end to the TT debate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, ngbills said: That is the point so many seem to miss. In games when Tyrod does not play or teams before and after home they do worse. He may not be the franchise guy but he is better than many of the alternatives. That is a valuable asset in that he can hold the fort down until you find the guy. It is quite ignorant to say that he is as awful as many try to say. Bottom line is he can start in this league and win in this league. I agree TT can hold the fort. The issue is, if holding the fort is his ceiling, where does he get you, ultimately? Don’t get me wrong, I have a ton of respect for him as a person and I am grateful for what he accomplished here, but “fort holder” is the minimum standard for a starter. Edited September 20, 2018 by K-9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: On the contrary, as a starter for the Bills and Browns, he is 23-21-1. Having a record above .500 on those teams feels impressive. Winning is good. 3 hours ago, Foxx said: 2 hours ago, Foxx said: again, saying Tyrod was/is even just okay because he was been starting for 3+ years is not the best argument when one considers exactly whom he has been starting for. jus' my 2 satoshi... He stArted last year for a playoff team. The team had a winning record during his tenure. I'm Having a hard time understanding your point. Edited September 20, 2018 by reddogblitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 8 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Fitz is having a career better than 90% of qbs, which are the top 1% of all qbs. ....Fitz's later career blooming reminds me of Rich Gannon to a certain extent generically.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Juice_32 said: I wonder how many generations it will take before our offspring finally put an end to the TT debate? Flutie > RJ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, KD in CA said: Flutie > RJ Flutie > Fitz > Tyrod > ? > RJ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 4 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: On the contrary, as a starter for the Bills and Browns, he is 23-21-1. Having a record above .500 on those teams feels impressive. Not to get technical, but I think it’s 22-22-1, so his vaunted ‘winning Qb’ label is on the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, KD in CA said: Flutie > RJ I hated the hell out of Doug Flutie because it didn't feel like the Bills. I hated his legion of fans that weren't Bills fans excusing his shortcoming and bashing our team in the process. I hated that we'd win a game 13-10 and the only highlight you'd see was a Doug Flutie jump pass. That Wade Phillips defense was criminally underrated. But yeah, after almost 20 years, Flutie>RJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted September 20, 2018 Author Share Posted September 20, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: On the contrary, as a starter for the Bills and Browns, he is 23-21-1. Having a record above .500 on those teams feels impressive. Tyrod Taylor joined a 9-7 team and took them to 8-8, 7-9, 9-7. He joined a winless team and remain winless as a starter. He is 22-22-1 as a starter. Tonight, he drops below .500 as a starter and the CoT will have to sacrifice a baby calf at midnight to bring back their hero. Edited September 20, 2018 by BringBackOrton 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 1 hour ago, reddogblitz said: Winning is good. He stArted last year for a playoff team. The team had a winning record during his tenure. I'm Having a hard time understanding your point. 3 points is the point. 56 yards is the point. If Peterman was Landry Jones/Colt Mccoy/Matt Moore etc etc etc Tyrod would have stayed on the bench. Shipping that bum outta town was a major plus for Beane 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Just now, Teddy KGB said: If Peterman was Landry Jones/Colt Mccoy/Matt Moore etc etc etc Tyrod would have stayed on the bench. If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a Merry Christmas. Peterman was still in high school when Hotrod won the job. He's gone. I thought you'd be happy but you seem to be as grumpy as ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted September 20, 2018 Author Share Posted September 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a Merry Christmas. Peterman was still in high school when Hotrod won the job. He's gone. I thought you'd be happy but you seem to be as grumpy as ever. Hi reddog? I'd like to introduce you to my friend, reddog. On 9/18/2018 at 5:12 PM, reddogblitz said: Had he been able to take Haushka with him to Cleveland with him, they would be 2-0 right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 18 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: Tyrod Taylor joined a 9-7 team and took them to 8-8, 7-9, 9-7. He joined a winless team and remain winless as a starter. He is 22-22-1 as a starter. Tonight, he drops below .500 as a starter and the CoT will have to sacrifice a baby calf at midnight to bring back their hero. Josh Allen joined a 9-7 team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted September 20, 2018 Author Share Posted September 20, 2018 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Josh Allen joined a 9-7 team. IS THE SEASON OVER YET MY FRIEND! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: Josh Allen joined a 9-7 team. JP Losman joined a 9-7 team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a Merry Christmas. Peterman was still in high school when Hotrod won the job. He's gone. I thought you'd be happy but you seem to be as grumpy as ever. Whose grumpy ? You the Taylor fan ? We paid the price vs the jags for having to start the bum. Too bad we didn’t have a Mccown or Detmer brother as qb2. Edited September 20, 2018 by Teddy KGB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Teddy KGB said: Whose grumpy ? You the Taylor fan ? We paid the price vs the jags for having to start the bum. Too bad we didn’t have a Mccown or Detmer brother as qb2. ...just stay tuned for "Unleashing Part II" tonight.......I'm thinkin' Air Coryell on the shores of Lake Erie............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Just now, Teddy KGB said: Whose grumpy ? You the Taylor fan ? We paid the price vs the jags for having to start the bum. Whose Grumpy? I just think it's funny how much you and others dog the guy and love to pile on him even though he IS GONE. The crusade is over. He's long gone. He left the Bills in a better place than he found them. We broke the drought. Now we're back to sucking in the eternal quest for a "Franchise QB", so all is right with the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 46 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: Now we're back to sucking in the eternal quest for a "Franchise QB", so all is right with the world. Good. Rocket arm rookie with upside > 8 year veteran who can’t win with 6 gifted turnovers 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 1 hour ago, reddogblitz said: Now we're back to sucking in the eternal quest for a "Franchise QB", so all is right with the world. the eternal quest may be met with the rookie, maybe, yet to be determined? although some feel he's a bust I haven't seen near enough to call it but around these parts patience always seems to run thin when determining whether he is, or is not? on the fence? seen enough? or willing to give it some time? should have a decent idea by seasons end. just unfortunate the rook has so little to work with and a questionable line to boot. could prove his demise or he could rise up and over come the challenges ahead, which are many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 (edited) I think people just don't understand winning. Throwing for 300 yards a game does not equal winning. I absolutely am not saying I don't want a decent passing game and goodness knows that the part of Taylor i could never defend was that he just wasn't an adequate level of clutch. He did a lot of things well or at least well enough but when the chips were down he couldn't get over the hump. It wasn't the number of yards he threw for. The same test will someday be the measure for Allen and it will have nothing to do with how many yards he throws for. As far as just wins and losses the lack of help is just as too blame as Taylor. At least half his loses had huge defensive or special teams failures and since he joined the Browns both games should have been won by the kicker and were not. Again the knock on Taylor is not taking the game into his own hands and making a few extra plays and I can't argue that but he does usually put teams in a position to win. Edited September 21, 2018 by Maine-iac 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, Maine-iac said: I think people just don't understand winning. Throwing for 300 yards a game does not equal winning. I absolutely am not saying I don't want a decent passing game and goodness knows that the part of Taylor i could never defend was that he just wasn't an adequate level of clutch. He did a lot of things well or at least well enough but when the chips were down he couldn't get over the hump. It wasn't the number of yards he threw for. The same test will someday be the measure for Allen and it will have nothing to do with how many yards he throws for. As far as just wins and losses the lack of help is just as too blame as Taylor. At least half his loses had huge defensive or special teams failures and since he joined the Browns both games should have been won by the kicker and were not. Again the knock on Taylor is not taking the game into his own hands and making a few extra plays and I can't argue that but he does usually put teams in a position to win. Hes got another 2 yards passing tonite. Lets get it ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Unleashed or short leash? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan692 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Man these browns fans losing it on tyrod lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Lol they have some hope behind Tyrod. We had Peterman. I would want Tryod out sooner than later as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 3 hours ago, Teddy KGB said: 3 points is the point. 56 yards is the point. If Peterman was Landry Jones/Colt Mccoy/Matt Moore etc etc etc Tyrod would have stayed on the bench. Shipping that bum outta town was a major plus for Beane Don’t forget 65 yards too. 56 yards 65 yards Starting NFL QB. Yikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Oh no... Baker chants in Cleveland. Tyrod was unleashed just to be relegated to the bench for a rookie soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan692 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Whats TT statline right now? It cant be pretty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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