Josh Gordon to be released-now traded to PATS

[NoSaint]

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

I understand the cost analysis, but this guy will never play a full season again.  Even last year, he had one TD.  He caught a bunch of bombs but he had games where he caught 25-50% of his targets.  His YPC is the only thing he has to show for 5 games of work.

 

So why not let him go catch a few bombs from allen and maybe keep a safety out of the box to help with the o line a bit for 2 months?

[blacklabel]

Some of these comments...good lord, you'd think the entire Bills organization went out and pissed on Ralph Wilson's grave. 

 

Those of you all salty about not getting Gordon realize that he has played in exactly 11 out of his last 64 games, right? You understand that he's under a microscope with the NFL and is one slip up away from another year long suspension, right? You think he's gonna immediately catch onto the "Patriot Way" and suddenly clean up his act after struggling for nearly 10 years with his substance abuse? If anything, this whole ordeal is going to stress him out even more and make his sobriety that much harder to maintain. 

 

"But, but, we dun gots no receivers!" Maybe so, but this is a rebuild. Suck it up and let them work. And if the Bills had landed Gordon, I would just about guarantee he'd end up suspended after a game or two and 70% of this board would be screaming, "Another failed signing by the failure known as Beane!"

 

Seriously...there is just no winning with some of you. Most of y'all wanted them to clean house, so they did. Most of y'all wanted them to hit the reset button, so they did. Most of y'all said they needed to get out of cap hell which they're in the process of. Ya said they needed to finally pull the trigger and draft a QB high, they did. Most of y'all would throw fits when last GMs wouldn't trade around and collect extra picks. Now you got a GM who does that and you're like, "No no, not like that!" And then some of you think these guys can only be deemed a real talent evaluator by seeing into the future and finding out that Patrick Mahomes would have the start he's had. And you think putting him here would yield the same results? KC added pieces as they went along, just as the Bills will do. 

 

You wanted crappy contracts gone. You wanted them to build thru the draft. You wanted them to go with a young, innovative OC. They did. 

 

This is a full on rebuild. Is it a bit concerning to see two rough games like these last two? Yeah. But the second half of yesterday's game showed that they do indeed have some competitiveness in them. Sounds like Frazier wasn't adjusting so McDermott has to take over. Most of y'all were sick of the lame duck coaches who couldn't get a team into shape or adjust during games. McDermott didn't like what he saw and said, you know what, I'm gonna have to take over for a bit. 

 

They've made good on their statements about how they envisioned building this team. 

 

Did you think everything was gonna automatically come together? 

 

This sh*t takes time. Be patient. Let them work. 

 

And for cripes sake, you can't get your nips twisted because they aren't signing every player you think they should. It's almost as if some of you completely forget (or, more likely, willfully ignore) that a free agent has to want to sign here. What're they supposed to do? Lock a guy in the building and kick him in the junk until he takes their deal?

 

They inherited a pretty messy roster and a locker room with a losing mentality ingrained in their minds as well as a major lack of cohesion and brotherhood among the players. The only way to really fix that is to flip the roster. 

 

For so long I've seen people begging for the house cleaning and fresh starts and now that they're in the middle of that exact process, those same people *still* aren't satisfied. 

 

I've said it before, but it seriously feels like this team could win the next 37 Super Bowls and there would be posts saying, "McBeane has to go! They did NOT win their 37th Lombardi in the exact manner I wanted, therefore they are an inept bunch of turds!"

 

Aye yi yi. Just relax. Beane and McDermott don't have a combined 40+ years of experience because they don't know what they're doing. 

 

I guess no matter what, some people are just never gonna be satisfied. 

Edited September 18, 2018 by blacklabel

[Mr. WEO]

5 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

So why not let him go catch a few bombs from allen and maybe keep a safety out of the box to help with the o line a bit for 2 months?

 

 

And then get cut or suspended?  What would be the point.  Can't they address the WR position in a conventional way?

6 minutes ago, Pete said:

In 5 games, an out of shape Josh Gordon had 18 catches for 18.1 yards a catch.  His 335 yards in 5 games  is more thant Zay Kelvin, Jordan and the other clown WR s had all year

 

 

1 TD.  

 

11 games missed.  In 2 games he had 9.5 YPC

 

This is too easy.

19 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

True.  He could be great...for 5 games.

 

 

66 ypg and a single TD isn't great.

Edited September 18, 2018 by Mr. WEO

[Doc]

5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

66 ypg and a single TD isn't great.

 

True.  I was looking at the 18.6 YPC.

[NoSaint]

3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

And then get cut or suspended?  What would be the point.  Can't they address the WR position in a conventional way?

 

 

1 TD.  

 

11 games missed.

 

This is too easy.

 

At week 2 in the regular season? There’s not much of a way to address not having a number 1 wr.

 

That’s kind of why this was an appealing incredibly low risk and high reward move for another franchise that tends to do well.

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, NoSaint said:

 

At week 2 in the regular season? There’s not much of a way to address not having a number 1 wr.

 

That’s kind of why this was an appealing incredibly low risk and high reward move for another franchise that tends to do well.

 

 

I think it would make more sense to see what happens with Allen.  Let him throw the bombs.  Someone will catch them at Gordon's 25, 35, 50% rate.

[Alphadawg7]

17 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Low risk high reward cost controlled player who's extremely talented.  I take that shot every time.  Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

 

But thats not what you asked me.  I get your opinion, but you asked me specifically about Beane given he traded for Coleman and looked into trading for Bryant last year.  I then showed how Bryant last year, and Coleman this year pale in comparison to the situation and risk of Gordon and that the scenarios are not comparable to the severity of Gordons.  Further proof, they could have claimed Bryant for free earlier this month and didn't because his situation is now worse with potential suspension looming again.

[PlayoffsPlease]

Why does anyone posting on this board think they are smarter about football personnel decisions than then New England Patriots? 

[Pete]

2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

And then get cut or suspended?  What would be the point.  Can't they address the WR position in a conventional way?

 

 

1 TD.  

 

11 games missed.

 

This is too easy.

too easy?  Mr Beane took a WR group of Sammy Watkins, Chris Hogan, Robert Woods. Goodwin- and replaced them with Benjamin{costing us a draft pick} Zay, Jordan Mathews, Holmes......That is going backwards.  We traded up for Zay, and overpaid for Corey.  It seems to me that Mr Beane has no clue about scouting WRs.  Gordon fell on his lap, and he declined.  I watch all the Bills games, and WRs are not getting open.  We have the worst WRs in a passing league.  To stay pat at WR is beyond idiotic.  The only good thing is I have Josh on 2 of my fantasy teams.  He will be huge in New England

[Mr. WEO]

4 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

True.  I was looking at the 18.6 YPC.

 

 

He had 5 passes greater than 18 yards.

[NoSaint]

2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

But thats not what you asked me.  I get your opinion, but you asked me specifically about Beane given he traded for Coleman and looked into trading for Bryant last year.  I then showed how Bryant last year, and Coleman this year pale in comparison to the situation and risk of Gordon and that the scenarios are not comparable to the severity of Gordons.  Further proof, they could have claimed Bryant for free earlier this month and didn't because his situation is now worse with potential suspension looming again.

 

To be fair their costs were also noticeably higher. We are taking 4-5x the cap hit for Coleman and Bryant went for a day 2 pick

[Mr. WEO]

3 minutes ago, Pete said:

too easy?  Mr Beane took a WR group of Sammy Watkins, Chris Hogan, Robert Woods. Goodwin- and replaced them with Benjamin{costing us a draft pick} Zay, Jordan Mathews, Holmes......That is going backwards.  We traded up for Zay, and overpaid for Corey.  It seems to me that Mr Beane has no clue about scouting WRs.  Gordon fell on his lap, and he declined.  I watch all the Bills games, and WRs are not getting open.  We have the worst WRs in a passing league.  To stay pat at WR is beyond idiotic.  The only good thing is I have Josh on 2 of my fantasy teams.  He will be huge in New England

 

Hogan Woods and Goodwin were gone before Beane  was hired.

[26CornerBlitz]

31 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

But thats not what you asked me.  I get your opinion, but you asked me specifically about Beane given he traded for Coleman and looked into trading for Bryant last year.  I then showed how Bryant last year, and Coleman this year pale in comparison to the situation and risk of Gordon and that the scenarios are not comparable to the severity of Gordons.  Further proof, they could have claimed Bryant for free earlier this month and didn't because his situation is now worse with potential suspension looming again.

 

Varying degrees of troubled players with Gordon having shown the best in the NFL.  We don't know if the Bills were among the 8-10 teams who reportedly showed interest, but I wouldn't blame them at all if they were. 

[row_33]

1 hour ago, PlayoffsPlease said:

Why does anyone posting on this board think they are smarter about football personnel decisions than then New England Patriots? 

 

a sickness the internet caused, fans think they are smarter and they know they have captive audience to have to pay attention to them

 

the only choice is to walk away from their silliness

 

[stevewin]

I've never wanted a player to smoke more pot more in my life

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

4 hours ago, HamSandwhich said:

What?

You here’d mee

[HamSandwhich]

5 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

You here’d mee

I still don't get it, did I say something in my original post that was incorrect english?

 

Do the Bengals have coaches/GMS that sounds like that? 

 

Were you just drunk?

 

Enlighten me.

Edited September 18, 2018 by HamSandwhich

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

3 hours ago, HamSandwhich said:

I still don't get it, did I say something in my original post that was incorrect english?

 

Do the Bengals have coaches/GMS that sounds like that? 

 

Were you just drunk?

 

Enlighten me.

 

At Some point it’s last chance saloon.

 

First one was auto correct, second was self deprecating  

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[YoloinOhio]

“Desperate” is the word I used yesterday 

 

Bedard: With trade for Josh Gordon, Patriots have reached bottom at WR after years of neglect

He has a lot of dog in him — and not the good kind. Like I said at the time, maybe I was spoiled from my time covering the Packers and Patriots (the Dolphins were a different story), but I had never seen an NFL receiver loaf as much as he did in practice. He wouldn’t finish plays. He would walk back to the huddle and after dropped passes. And the amazing thing was nobody said anything to him (so he was being coddled again, just like at Baylor). In short, I didn’t like what I saw. And, in a team environment, I would rather have a less-talented player who bought into the team concept more than Gordon.

I made most of my comments on Cleveland radio at the time, and they generated a lot of discussion. It was notable the coaching staff didn’t disagree with my comments in the days following, and privately a few told me I was spot-on and were glad someone called out Gordon, because it sounded like they couldn’t — “Maybe he’ll get it,” one texted at the time.

That was over five years ago. He’s played in just 11 games in the past four NFL seasons.

If Gordon is the same type of practice player with the Patriots — and sources have told me that, unlike fellow troubled talents like Randy Moss and Dez Bryant who truly enjoy the game and practice hard, Gordon doesn’t like football all that much and it is reflected in his practice habits — he’s not going to last long. After being snuggled in the land of entitled players at Baylor and Cleveland, the environment he’s going into with the Patriots will be a completely different world.

Really, if we’re being honest, it’s pathetic they Patriots have gotten to the point they have to sign players that were basically useless bums at other places (Britt, Corey Coleman, Gordon — all former Browns). These are the New England Patriots we’re talking about. Five-time Super Bowl champions. Bill Belichick. Tom Brady. Josh McDaniels, the brilliant offensive mind who could have had any head coaching job he wanted in recent years.

The franchise and its top names stand for excellence. They’ve built Super Bowl contenders every year for 18 years. Other teams aspire to do what they have done, all that sustained success.

But why the heck can’t they ever develop a receiver? It’s bordering on embarrassing. Actually … after the acquisition of Gordon out of utter desperation, it is embarrassing.

Edited September 18, 2018 by YoloinOhio

[Chicken Boo]

14 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Randy Moss. LOL. 

 

Laugh now.  Cry later.

[YoloinOhio]

12 hours ago, PlayoffsPlease said:

Why does anyone posting on this board think they are smarter about football personnel decisions than then New England Patriots? 

You don’t think their WR decisions should be questioned? Why? Maybe it works out for them, maybe it won’t. But assuming that it will just because they are a successful franchise is ignoring a lot of reality on the team’s history and the player’s history.

 

Quote

By my count, the Patriots have acquired 51 receivers just since 2009 (we won’t even go back to the drought from Deion Branch and David Givens in ’02 to the trades for Moss and Wes Welker in ’07). Judging generously, you could say that four of those moves have been great (Edelman, Danny Amendola, Hogan and 

Brandin Cooks), and six have been solid to good (Brandon LaFell, Malcolm Mitchell, Dorsett, Patterson and Braxton Berrios — like we said, we’re being generous). The rest — 80.4 percent — have been abject failures.

YEAR	ACQ	GREAT MOVES
2009	Draft	Julian Edelman
2013	FA	Danny Amendola
2016	FA	Chris Hogan
2017	Trade	Brandin Cooks
YEAR	ACQ	SOLID MOVES
2012	FA	Brandon Lloyd
2014	FA	Brandon LaFell
2016	Draft	Malcolm Mitchell
2017	Trade	Phillip Dorsett
2018	Trade	Cordarrelle Patterson
2018	Draft	Braxton Berrios
YEAR	ACQ	FAILURES
2009	Draft	Brandon Tate
2009	FA	Joey Galloway
2009	Trade	Greg Lewis
2010	Draft	Taylor Price
2010	FA	Torry Holt
2011	Trade	Chad Ochocinco
2011	FA	Tiquan Underwood
2012	Draft	Jeremy Ebert
2012	FA	Anthony Gonzalez
2012	FA	Jesse Holley
2012	Claim	Kerry Taylor
2012	Trade	Greg Salas
2013	Draft	Aaron Dobson
2013	Draft	Josh Boyce
2013	FA	Michael Jenkins
2013	FA	Lavelle Hawkins
2013	FA	Austin Collie
2013	FA	LaQuan Williams
2014	Draft	Jeremy Gallon
2014	FA	Brian Tyms
2015	FA	Reggie Wayne
2015	Trade	Jalen Saunders
2015	Claim	DaVaris Daniels
2015	Trade	Keshawn Martin
2015	FA	Chris Harper
2015	Claim	Leonard Hankerson
2016	Draft	Devin Lucien
2016	FA	Nate Washington
2016	FA	Griff Whalen
2016	Claim	Michael Floyd
2017	Claim	Devin Street
2017	FA	Tony Washington
2017	FA	K.J. Maye
2017	FA	Bernard Reedy
2017	FA	Kenny Britt
2018	FA	Jordan Matthews
2018	FA	Eric Decker
2018	Claim	Amara Darboh
2018	Claim	Chad Hansen
2018	FA	Bennie Fowler
2018	FA	Corey Coleman

With 12 of those players, the Patriots used actual capital to acquire them with either draft picks or trades. That’s to say nothing of the time wasted on the practice field, in meeting rooms, and with reps from Brady that turned out to be fruitless.

That the Patriots are even this position where they need to trade for a player as suspect as Gordon is an indictment on the Patriots’ entire system around the receiver position — and we shouldn’t just whistle past the graveyard about it.

https://www.bostonsportsjournal.com/2018/09/18/bedard-trade-josh-gordon-patriots-reached-bottom-wr-years-neglect/

Edited September 18, 2018 by YoloinOhio

[Hapless Bills Fan]

12 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

I think it would make more sense to see what happens with Allen.  Let him throw the bombs.  Someone will catch them at Gordon's 25, 35, 50% rate.

 

Word.  People overlook that even in his very best NFL season, he was catching passes at a 50% rate.  Now I'll grant you Brandon Weedon but Jason Campbell and Brian Hoyer at the time could actually play some.

12 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

Hogan Woods and Goodwin were gone before Beane  was hired.

 

True.  And yet in hindsight, it seems probable that the decision to hire Beane was made sub rosa when McDermott was brought in.

If that's true, it would seem unreasonable to think that Beane lacked input into the decision to hold back from serious negotiations with Woods and Goodwin.

 

Hogan of course left in 2016

[Mr. WEO]

10 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Word.  People overlook that even in his very best NFL season, he was catching passes at a 50% rate.  Now I'll grant you Brandon Weedon but Jason Campbell and Brian Hoyer at the time could actually play some.

 

True.  And yet in hindsight, it seems probable that the decision to hire Beane was made sub rosa when McDermott was brought in.

If that's true, it would seem unreasonable to think that Beane lacked input into the decision to hold back from serious negotiations with Woods and Goodwin.

 

Hogan of course left in 2016

 

Yes Pete was way off on blaming Beane for those moves.  Hard to affect the roster before you have been hired as GM...

[PatsFanNH]

31 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

“Desperate” is the word I used yesterday 

 

Bedard: With trade for Josh Gordon, Patriots have reached bottom at WR after years of neglect

 

 

 

 

Ugh Bedard is an idiot!  Pats have White,Gronk,Edelman all top targets for the passing game. Also the Patriots have pretty much always had outside WR talent as they rarely draft WR and when they do they usually sucked! (What happens when your drafting 29th or later all the time)

 

as for his comments on Gordon, first it’s a very very low risk move.  Second he has been in Cleveland his entire career and they have sucked his entire career so who would give great effort after awhile. Does that mean he will here? Nope but it doesn’t mean he won’t either.

 

this move was a no brainer for the Pats if he pans out it’s a steal. If he doesn’t you basically lost a 5th and gained a high 6 or high 7. Only people finding fault with it are dumb sports guys with zero clue like Bedard.

[26CornerBlitz]

Brady doesn't want to heap expectations on Gordon

 

The New England Patriots traded for a much-needed deep threat in Josh Gordon on Monday, which has the fan base dreaming of the Randy Moss years.

 

Quarterback Tom Brady, however, pumped the brakes on Gordon stepping in to become a world-beating presence immediately.

 

"You know, I hate to make projections and expectations. That's not fair," Brady told Jim Gray on Westwood One on Monday night. "I've never met Josh personally, just like I hadn't met some of the guys that have come in the last couple weeks. So we'll see how it goes this week and hopefully he can work hard, put the team first and end up helping us in any role that he can find for himself on the team."

[DrDawkinstein]

Right as the Division Championship was in our grasp, we get out-maneuvered by the Pats* again! McBeane asleep at the wheel!

[Wayne Cubed]

35 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

You don’t think their WR decisions should be questioned? Why? Maybe it works out for them, maybe it won’t. But assuming that it will just because they are a successful franchise is ignoring a lot of reality on the team’s history and the player’s history.

 

https://www.bostonsportsjournal.com/2018/09/18/bedard-trade-josh-gordon-patriots-reached-bottom-wr-years-neglect/

 

Is Chris Hogan a great move?!?! I'd put it in the solid section, it's not like he became this star receiver there. I'd probably also put Cooks in the solid section too, wasn't even his best season as a pro and again they traded for him for 1 season.

[PatsFanNH]

35 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

You don’t think their WR decisions should be questioned? Why? Maybe it works out for them, maybe it won’t. But assuming that it will just because they are a successful franchise is ignoring a lot of reality on the team’s history and the player’s history.

 

https://www.bostonsportsjournal.com/2018/09/18/bedard-trade-josh-gordon-patriots-reached-bottom-wr-years-neglect/

Meanwhile in the same time span they are one of the top Offenses in the NFL.  ? could it be you will strike out more than you hit home runs? Probably.. but you need take the swing to find out if it will work.. (and some of those failures were not even on the team longer than a week lol)

[Charlottebillsfan2]

The Browns are still the Browns, why in the world would you trade him to the Pat?. Trade him to an nfc team. Good lord I hate the Browns. 

[Billsatlastin2018]

Let's see now...

 

1) A 5 Alarm Tire Fire ?

2) An inside shot of going to the Super Bowl?

 

Even on a WEED jag, I can figure this one out!

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, PatsFanNH said:

Meanwhile in the same time span they are one of the top Offenses in the NFL.  ? could it be you will strike out more than you hit home runs? Probably.. but you need take the swing to find out if it will work.. (and some of those failures were not even on the team longer than a week lol)

Both can be true - they can have a high performing offense, and still strike out at WR personnel decisions. As a fan of the team you know why that is.

 

Even if you take away all of the lazy prep, apathy about winning, drug use, suspension possibility - josh gordon ran the wrong route about half the time he played in game 1 per the all-22. Which is nothing new with him. That happens with Brady and he will not see the field. It’s a low risk move for the Pats because they don’t care about the draft pick. They are in short-term mode. It’s a higher risk move for teams who need the draft pick, who they are in long-term mode. Because the odds are so low it will work out. 

Edited September 18, 2018 by YoloinOhio

[Hapless Bills Fan]

So apologies if this was linked upthread and I missed it.

 

The Athletic has an article up (pay, but free trial) claiming that Gordon misled the Browns about the photo session in which he injured his hamstring.

He sought and obtained permission to conduct a still-photo shoot for his clothing line in the stadium Friday night.

Instead, Gordon brought in personnel to shoot a social media "hype video", for which he did 90 minutes of football-related drills before pulling up lame clutching his hamstring.

 

He showed up 10 minutes late Saturday, went directly to the training room, and was ruled out for Sunday - after which the Browns Braintrust decided "enough, already".

So it wasn't the lateness, or the hamstring injury per se, but the fact that he told them he was gonna do a still photo clothing shoot, then was injured doing something completely different.

 

Here's a CBS article quoting the Athletic

 

18 hours ago, Charlottebillsfan2 said:

The best part is they released coleman to make room for him. Yet some fans were going nuts when we released him and they signed him. 

 

I'm still going nuts that the Bills traded for then released him so quickly, and were basically paying him $2.9M to play for the Pats.

I like it only slightly better now that the Pats and Bills are both paying him to either sit home or play for someone else.

 

Look, Coleman was Bad Attitude Boy at the Browns.  If the Bills didn't know that when they traded for him, their pro-personnel evaluation and scouting is no where near what it should be.  You got a guy with two years of bad attitude, you might consider if he can turn it around, it's gonna take more than a month.

[PatsFanNH]

11 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Both can be true - they can have a high performing offense, and still strike out at WR personnel decisions. As a fan of the team you know why that is.

 

Even if you take away all of the lazy prep, apathy about winning, drug use, suspension possibility - josh gordon ran the wrong route about half the time he played in game 1 per the all-22. Which is nothing new with him. That happens with Brady and he will not see the field. It’s a low risk move for the Pats because they don’t care about the draft pick. They are in short-term mode. It’s a higher risk move for teams who need the draft pick, who they are in long-term mode. Because the odds are so low it will work out. 

I absolutely agree with everything you said.  The Pats are in a win now mode, and a 5th rounder isn’t going make that big of a difference one way or another.  Very few teams have the luxury the patriots do, by that I mean that even if this ends up a huge huge bust. (Which it may)’fans wont care. They won’t be burning BB online or in forums.. because they have won for so long the man is pretty much untouchable.

[Doc]

2 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

Laugh now.  Cry later.

 

Crying from laughing?  OK.

2 hours ago, Charlottebillsfan2 said:

The Browns are still the Browns, why in the world would you trade him to the Pat?. Trade him to an nfc team. Good lord I hate the Browns. 

 

Word was that there was a bigger market for Dan Bailey than Gordon.  Considering only 2 teams were looking for a new kicker...

[CommonCents]

Gordon looks to be in the best shape of any WR in the league, I saw a picture of him running in a tank and shorts, the size and definition of his arms is incredible. How is a guy that keeps himself in such good shape so uninterested in the game. It boggles my mind a bit, he has easily cost himself 50+ million bucks. 

 

It’s obviously not a lazy man issue. Everything I hear about him is that he isn’t stupid. I don’t get it.

 

 

[PromoTheRobot]

 

[PlayoffsPlease]

9 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

You don’t think their WR decisions should be questioned? Why? Maybe it works out for them, maybe it won’t. But assuming that it will just because they are a successful franchise is ignoring a lot of reality on the team’s history and the player’s history.

 

https://www.bostonsportsjournal.com/2018/09/18/bedard-trade-josh-gordon-patriots-reached-bottom-wr-years-neglect/

Based on your post, I am quite confident you are not smarter than the Patriots front office. 

[Bing Bong]

8 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

they can have a high performing offense, and still strike out at WR personnel decisions. 

Pretty sure Beli wouldn't care if he strikes out. 

[YoloinOhio]

2 hours ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

Pretty sure Beli wouldn't care if he strikes out. 

No he doesn’t care about the draft pick. Gave a 5th for a year of Gillislee, he had one good game and cut. Hasn’t cared in a few years; has favored trading picks for established players. He has no investment in the future of that team. Can’t really blame him 

Edited September 19, 2018 by YoloinOhio