Confirmed: Bills to start rookie QB Josh Allen vs. Chargers

[WhoTom]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I'm sure there are a lot of "devout" Christians that McDermott has cut.  

 

Exactly my point. It's not like Christianity is some obscure religion; two-thirds of the US population is Christian.

[BuffaloBaumer]

This whole thing is such a mess and this is going to turn out to be a terrible decision. It was a lose lose call and both outcomes are going to be brutal. At least with Peterman, he takes the lumps and you ride through this crap year knowing that next year is when it all begins. The whole organization looks stupid and if they ruin this kid this year, they won't return in 2019......

[blacklabel]

It had to happen. I don't know what happens with Peterman once the real games start but he just implodes. Unless the play that's called goes exactly as designed and he's able to do his drop, setup and throw all on cue, he crumbles. He doesn't seem to have a whole lot of ability to scramble or improvise... and Allen does. And Allen just has that mentality that he's gonna make a play on every down, which means he's gonna make some mistakes and throw some picks but you gotta let him take his lumps and get experience. Trial and error is a good way to learn. He'll figure out a lot of what NOT to do while gaining valuable experience in seeing different defensive fronts and becoming more familiar with them.

 

One way they can help the kid out is to get the run game going. Seriously, go back to what they've done over the past few seasons. Extra OL and hand the rock to McCoy a buncha times. Gotta find a way to soften up the opposing DL so when they do throw, he'll actually have time. Not sure what Daboll was trying to do last Sunday but if I'm him, I'm coming up with a straightforward/simplified plan that includes some wrinkles from his college game to keep it easy for him in his first start. I don't expect them to send him out there and tell him to throw it 50 times.

 

And Peterman really left them no choice. I'm starting to wonder if Peterman starting is the reason the team came out so flat and uninspired last week. They've gone through pre-season and camp and all that and maybe most of them just feel like Allen is the guy that's actually gonna take shots and try to make some big plays happen whereas Nate seems perfectly keen on just taking whatever the defense gives him (which wasn't much) or trying to push the ball down the field but without the ability to zip it in there. Instead he floats it right to the other team. Starting him again ran the risk of alienating a large part of the locker room and further maddening the fan-base. 

 

Not sure if this is all part of the plan or maybe the plan is being rushed but, at this point it's clear that Allen does give them a better chance to move the ball and win some games.

 

And I swear to Christmas if Allen hits Benjamin right square in the numbers and the dude drops it again I'm gonna tie KB's shoelaces together so he falls on his face the next time he stands up.

Edited September 12, 2018 by blacklabel

[keepthefaith]

36 minutes ago, twist_to_open said:

Do you think Darnold's performance on Monday night put any additional pressure on McD to start our 1st round draft pick?

Yes, but even without that he probably makes this decision. 

[26CornerBlitz]

[Kirby Jackson]

Someone better check on the Bull brothers.

[Nihilarian]

16 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

No. Petermans awful performance did. That is all.

 

Now can we bring in someone else to backup Allen and cut Peterman please? 

 

Or do we need to keep him around because he is a devout Christian? 

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You would think that if this coaching staff knew what they were doing that this would have happened already.

 

Don't get me wrong here guys as I'm not championing Nate Peterman as I think he is probably the very worst Buffalo Bills QB ever. I just don't want to see that rookie QB ruined! Peterman sucks and if the team still had AJ McCarron or even Paxton Lynch, Matt Moore I'd say start them and let the rookie sit and learn.

[Juice_32]

[zevo]

Just now, THEHARDTRUTH said:

Bills are going to have to be patient on this one. A rookie qb with great raw talent who needs developement surrounded by marginal talent. Gonna be a real test of Allens mental toughness. Let the unintentional tank begin. 3-13 here we come.

Not being a homer....but his mental toughness has to be off the charts....I can’t remember such adversity faced by a rookie...everyone telling you you have the talent but you basically suck....telling you you sucked in college and will suck in the nfl....getting old tweets dug up and facing that....he has handled it all very well....I think he has the mental toughness part signed sealed and delivered....i hope he can succeed.

[CommonCents]

A friendly reminder, I don’t want to see any posters romanticizing about Peterman on Sunday.

[jkirchofer]

4 minutes ago, Billznut said:

I wonder if any media member is going to have the balls to ask McDermott why he continues to butcher the qb handling on this team? I won’t hold my breath. They will sit there and accept his lame attempts to explain his way out of the mess he’s created. 

Yep, he's gotta look at the tape to see what happened.

[keepthefaith]

35 minutes ago, youngjebrey said:

I know it was garbage time, but he seemed to maneuver in the pocket WAY better than peterman could. Made the o line not look as bad.

 

He does move much better. 

[nucci]

OTAs, training camp...practice and prep for opening game and we bench our starter after 1 game....brilliant.....was Peterman really the best QB on the roster?

[Nihilarian]

4 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

You can’t face your owners and tell them we’re starting the worst QB in the league, and have no chance of winning, because we’re afraid our prized rookie being hurt by our terrible OL coached by our terrible OL Coach because our terrible WR can’t get open, and our prized RB can’t run, because our terrible QB can’t get the other team to stop putting 8-9 in the box. 

Also coached by our terrible OC who wants to run a pass first, quick strike offense with a pair of noobies at QB. I only hope at some point he realizes he doesn't have a Tom Brady / Aaron Rodgers at QB and needs to run the ball to give either QB a chance to play well. 

[HansLanda]

1 minute ago, Commonsense said:

A friendly reminder, I don’t want to see any posters romanticizing about Peterman on Sunday.

 

There is a need to sign someone. You literally cannot play Peterman going forward should something unforeseen happen to 17. 

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, nucci said:

OTAs, training camp...practice and prep for opening game and we bench our starter after 1 game....brilliant.....was Peterman really the best QB on the roster?

 

No. He has never been that. 

[Warcodered]

4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Someone better check on the Bull brothers.

Pretty sure Burple chose to be buried with his thread.

[BigBuff423]

If this report is true, then this tells me McD believed all along that Josh was ready, but because Nate didn't give him enough of a reason to start Josh OVER Peterman, he basically needed to start Nate in order to be a man of his word. He said whoever earned that right, and throughout the Pre-Season, Peterman *did* in fact earn that right. 

 

We can say all we want that none of us liked him or we knew he was going to be terrible, blah, blah, blah....in the end Peterman didn't do anything to justify taking the starting job away from him, from his first pass and Pre-Season game all the way through the last Pre-Season game. I can't figure out why Nate can be that good to be soooooooo bad when the lights come on for real - but no doubt he was and is....

 

This tells me McD knew Josh could play right away and probably wanted to start him right away, but as I said, he needed to keep his word to keep his credibility with his team to insure the locker room stayed tight for the season. IF this is true, then good for McD willing to admit he needs to change course and let the Rook go for the year and learn on the job. Experience is the best teacher.

[nucci]

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

No. He has never been that. 

but he was named opening day starter......why don't you play the best players?

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, nucci said:

but he was named opening day starter......why don't you play the best players?

 

I have no idea what the coaches were thinking when they named him starter just as I didn't when they elevated him last season for the Chargers' game. 

[blacklabel]

42 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Because Allen hasn't proven that he isn't an NFL QB.

 

And how else is he supposed to prove he's capable unless he plays? He needs to have the actual opportunity to prove it before he's written off as "didn't prove it." 

[nucci]

1 minute ago, BigBuff423 said:

If this report is true, then this tells me McD believed all along that Josh was ready, but because Nate didn't give him enough of a reason to start Josh OVER Peterman, he basically needed to start Nate in order to be a man of his word. He said whoever earned that right, and throughout the Pre-Season, Peterman *did* in fact earn that right. 

 

We can say all we want that none of us liked him or we knew he was going to be terrible, blah, blah, blah....in the end Peterman didn't do anything to justify taking the starting job away from him, from his first pass and Pre-Season game all the way through the last Pre-Season game. I can't figure out why Nate can be that good to be soooooooo bad when the lights come on for real - but no doubt he was and is....

 

This tells me McD knew Josh could play right away and probably wanted to start him right away, but as I said, he needed to keep his word to keep his credibility with his team to insure the locker room stayed tight for the season. IF this is true, then good for McD willing to admit he needs to change course and let the Rook go for the year and learn on the job. Experience is the best teacher.

because preseason performance does not translate to real games.....Peterman had a couple of good series....he never performed way above Allen or McCarron. Coaches watch these guys in practice every day....they need to evaluate better

[Coach Tuesday]

11 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

You can’t face your owners and tell them we’re starting the worst QB in the league, and have no chance of winning, because we’re afraid our prized rookie being hurt by our terrible OL coached by our terrible OL Coach because our terrible WR can’t get open, and our prized RB can’t run, because our terrible QB can’t get the other team to stop putting 8-9 in the box. 

 

The thing is, he already basically told them that before the season started and now has had to reverse himself.

[BuffaloHokie13]

Just now, blacklabel said:

And how else is he supposed to prove he's capable unless he plays? He needs to have the actual opportunity to prove it before he's written off as "didn't prove it." 

I think the double negative may have gotten you. I have wanted Allen to start since the day after the draft.

[26CornerBlitz]

I cannot argue with this at all.

 

[blacklabel]

41 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

It was inevitable I suppose.  I hope they bring a guy like Moore in as a vet in the film room.

 

Yeah, I know they've said they like their QB room but an experienced vet in there can help Allen a lot. I wonder if they look at Derek Anderson, cause, you know, #CarolinaConnection and all.

[Like A Mofo]

This is good news: Since it is highly likely Josh Allen busts: Let's get this out of the way now do we can look for other options in 2019.

[jkirchofer]

Just now, blacklabel said:

 

And how else is he supposed to prove he's capable unless he plays? He needs to have the actual opportunity to prove it before he's written off as "didn't prove it." 

Exactly...none of the Quarterbacks brought to camp were proven NFL starters. Peterman only has slightly more NFL experience than Josh Allen. How is Allen supposed to learn from that? Generally, when a rookie sits, they behind a proven NFL starter. There was no reason not to start Allen if the intent is to win.

[NewEra]

34 minutes ago, MJS said:

 

He didn't. There were 6 sacks total in the game. 3 on Peterman and 3 on Allen.

My bad.  My app said 5 initially. Strange.  But still, 3 sacks in 15 attempts. And had to run another 4 times.  

 

Hes is a MAJOR upgrade over peterman mobility wise (and just about every other aspect) but dropping back and running every 3 pass plays is just not a good way to learn this position. Bad habits defitnely may arise. Hopefully Darnold starts to suck so he doesn’t have to hear about how his rival/friend is the king of NY and Allen is just a bum because he has zero support.  

 

Id love for the bills to get Quincy Enunwa.  Dudes a beast.  Too bad the jets will never let him go.

[Kelly the Dog]

1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

The thing is, he already basically told them that before the season started and now has had to reverse himself.

You and I knew that. McD was lying to himself. And you saw how many Bills fans here didn’t see it. 

[zevo]

4 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said:

If this report is true, then this tells me McD believed all along that Josh was ready, but because Nate didn't give him enough of a reason to start Josh OVER Peterman, he basically needed to start Nate in order to be a man of his word. He said whoever earned that right, and throughout the Pre-Season, Peterman *did* in fact earn that right. 

 

We can say all we want that none of us liked him or we knew he was going to be terrible, blah, blah, blah....in the end Peterman didn't do anything to justify taking the starting job away from him, from his first pass and Pre-Season game all the way through the last Pre-Season game. I can't figure out why Nate can be that good to be soooooooo bad when the lights come on for real - but no doubt he was and is....

 

This tells me McD knew Josh could play right away and probably wanted to start him right away, but as I said, he needed to keep his word to keep his credibility with his team to insure the locker room stayed tight for the season. IF this is true, then good for McD willing to admit he needs to change course and let the Rook go for the year and learn on the job. Experience is the best teacher.

Bang on my friend....peterman did not give MCD the out to start Josh....Nate “won” the “competition”....if MCD didn’t start Nate then the whole thing was a sham and how to you deliver that to the team....Peterman threw up all over himself and open the door wide for Josh to start...This was honestly the best case scenario because it happened earlier than later....Josh is the franchise......it will go as he goes.

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

I'm trying to figure out the obsession with Peterman. 

 

It's truly mind boggling. 

 

He got fooled by his practice and preseason performances.  If this was a true QB competition, Nate did win it.  

[Kirby Jackson]

2 hours ago, Warcodered said:

Pretty sure Burple chose to be buried with his thread.

After he took $56.30 from me and I had to post a Peterman meme admitting defeat. I do feel vindicated though in that he was a complete and utter trainwreck. I don’t take joy in that but am glad that it’s over. 

Edited September 12, 2018 by Kirby Jackson

[CommonCents]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

My bad.  My app said 5 initially. Strange.  But still, 3 sacks in 15 attempts. And had to run another 4 times.  

 

Hes is a MAJOR upgrade over peterman mobility wise (and just about every other aspect) but dropping back and running every 3 pass plays is just not a good way to learn this position. Bad habits defitnely may arise. Hopefully Darnold starts to suck so he doesn’t have to hear about how his rival/friend is the king of NY and Allen is just a bum because he has zero support.  

 

Id love for the bills to get Quincy Enunwa.  Dudes a beast.  Too bad the jets will never let him go.

Hopefully Daboll can put down the donuts and script a handful of plays that will allow Allen to get comfortable out there. 

[Kelly the Dog]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

I'm trying to figure out the obsession with Peterman. 

 

It's truly mind boggling. 

All of those Christians waiting for the next Jewish messiah to come?

[Like A Mofo]

Just now, Commonsense said:

Hopefully Daboll can put down the donuts and script a handful of plays that will allow Allen to get comfortable out there. 

 

 

Daboll will go by the wayside like so many other Bills OC hires: And why? This organization does not know how to draft a QB.

[Happy]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

I'm trying to figure out the obsession with Peterman. 

 

It's truly mind boggling. 

 

Peterman had a good preseason and McD thought he learned from the rough time he had last season.  That would be my guess.

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

51 minutes ago, twist_to_open said:

Do you think Darnold's performance on Monday night put any additional pressure on McD to start our 1st round draft pick?

 

None imo, I think back to when Goff was benched the entire season while Carson Wentz was doing quite well their rookie years.

[Charles Romes]

Projected statline: 15-36-178-1-3, 7sacks

 

As bad as that is, it's a huge upgrade over Peterman.  

[BigBuff423]

7 minutes ago, nucci said:

because preseason performance does not translate to real games.....Peterman had a couple of good series....he never performed way above Allen or McCarron. Coaches watch these guys in practice every day....they need to evaluate better

 

C'mon....that's a lame and easy explanation. Of course you can say, "Well, it's Pre-Season".....but if it isn't for evaluating players, then other than a glorified scrimmage, it doesn't mean anything. Pre-Season is in fact a way to evaluate players, it's one of the main reasons why it exists. So, evaluating Peterman in the Pre-Season during a live game (no, it's not the same - obviously) showed he was precise - somewhere around 80% completion percentage - getting TDs, NOT throwing INTs (just one that bounced off of Ivory that hit him in the hands and shoulder) and moving the Offense. That, was a masterful use of his skills and the playbook - and to go from that level of competence, to the utter debauchery that was Sunday - is just puzzling. 

 

I did NOT expect him to excel the way he did in Pre-Season, so I anticipated a drop-off in production and efficiency, but to go from Pre-Season to that excrement pile of garbage is just....stunning. Make all the short-cut explanations as you did, but that does not even come close to adequately answering the question why / how does Peterman demonstrate such a precipitous drop in production & ability from Pre-Season to game day? I don't know....I'm just asking the question and expecting not to get curt answers in response....

Edited September 12, 2018 by BigBuff423