26CornerBlitz Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Mmmm Okay. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Bears lost too. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 He should look at the reasons why he’s wearing that visor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Reminds me of a line from a comedian years ago that went something like this: My wife is pissed off because we don't have any money and I'm pissed off because we did. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COTC Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 (edited) Grudens an idiot...the game has passed him by. Edited September 12, 2018 by COTC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Man that's like Beane wondering why the Bills had no open recievers. ? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 (edited) Oh another coach who wants to look at the film before spouting off. And this one has a ring. Edited September 12, 2018 by Bob in STL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Gruden will walk away as a VERY wealthy failure, eventually. Then go back to TV if he continues to need attention. Raiders blew it big time. Horrible hire. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthomas Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 well he's got 10 years & 100 Million Dollars to figure it out... or not 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 20 minutes ago, Augie said: Gruden will walk away as a VERY wealthy failure, eventually. Then go back to TV if he continues to need attention. Raiders blew it big time. Horrible hire. He is purging the same McBeane did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Paulus said: He is purging the same McBeane did. We purged a HOF player in his prime? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Fadingpain Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 25 minutes ago, Augie said: Gruden will walk away as a VERY wealthy failure, eventually. Then go back to TV if he continues to need attention. Raiders blew it big time. Horrible hire. Couldn't agree more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, Augie said: We purged a HOF player in his prime? Russ Brandon did in 2009 with Jason Peters. Mack wasn't playing this year despite being under contract. Oakland is a small market team and paying 2 players 25M per eats up a lot of cap with a number of other contracts coming due. Not many teams can afford a guy like Mack and a top QB. Besides, teams aren't prioritizing defense at the expense of their offense and winning consistently. It's a methodology that doesn't work long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 1 minute ago, BillsVet said: Russ Brandon did in 2009 with Jason Peters. Mack wasn't playing this year despite being under contract. Oakland is a small market team and paying 2 players 25M per eats up a lot of cap with a number of other contracts coming due. Not many teams can afford a guy like Mack and a top QB. Besides, teams aren't prioritizing defense at the expense of their offense and winning consistently. It's a methodology that doesn't work long term. Peters was not nearly the player Mack was at the time. He was VERY good, but he was NOT Mack good. (And has never reached THIS level.) I’d have kept him, but that’s a decade ago, so what’s the point of even arguing? Mack will cost about 11% of cap over the contract. Not bad for a top 3 defensive player in the league. A sure HOF player if he keeps it up. But you have a point, spend on the QB, the LT to defend him, and the DE to wreck him. Then go from there. I say build both lines and work out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Augie said: We purged a HOF player in his prime? Darbs is nowhere near the player mack is, but the guy has looked good. Dareus, too. I mean, the Bills had no "Mack" to purge, but did purge some of our best. Edited September 12, 2018 by Paulus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, Paulus said: Darbs is nowhere near the player mack is, but the guy has looked good. Dareus, too. I mean, the Bills had no "Mack" to purge, but did purge some of our best. Really? We agree, no Mack on this roster. Darby we sold high, and he wasn’t a scheme fit. Dareus wasn’t a “I really want to play football” fit. Sadly, as he could have HOF potential. I hope he finds his fit in life, which is much more important than football. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Just now, Augie said: Really? We agree, no Mack on this roster. Darby we sold high, and he wasn’t a scheme fit. Dareus wasn’t a “I really want to play football” fit. Sadly, as he could have HOF potential. I hope he finds his fit in life, which is much more important than football. At least the Raiders got more than we did for Peters. Man, that dude just got better after he left. Look at the guy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 (edited) The deal made sense for both teams. The Raiders are already paying Carr a franchise QB contract and you can't pay another non-qb a massive contract if you want to be competitive long term. Getting two 1st rounders for Mack was probably the right move as you can now build around Carr. It made sense to the Bears because Trubisky is on his rookie contract. Same thing with the Rams shelling out big money on other positions with Goff on his rookie deal. Edited September 12, 2018 by Doc Brown 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Bob in STL said: Oh another coach who wants to look at the film before spouting off. And this one has a ring. Don't hold your breath waiting for him to get a second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Just now, Augie said: Peters was not nearly the player Mack was at the time. He was VERY good, but he was NOT Mack good. (And has never reached THIS level.) I’d have kept him, but that’s a decade ago, so what’s the point of even arguing? Mack will cost about 11% of cap over the contract. Not bad for a top 3 defensive player in the league. A sure HOF player if he keeps it up. But you have a point, spend on the QB, the LT to defend him, and the DE to wreck him. Then go from there. I say build both lines and work out. You're the one debating the issue. And, comparing LTs to DEs is comparing apples to oranges. Both, at the time of their trade, were elite NFL players at hard to find positions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 (edited) I’m debating nothing, just stating that Mack is a far superior player than Peters ever was, despite Peters being a stud. Edited September 12, 2018 by Augie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Hes going to spend alot of overtime in his office if he thinks he will be able to figure out this enigma...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 He’s should stop looking so hard directly at the sun 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 2 hours ago, PlayoffsPlease said: Bears lost too. not because of Mack. Because of freaking A. Rodgers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 wearing a visor when you're not golfing is like wearing bowling shoes where you're not bowling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Toll Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Not sure why there is so much Gruden hate. He got his players up for the game (unlike McD) and they hung in there against a SB favorite until late. 2 1sts for Mack from a bad team like the Bears (plus not having that monster contract) is an absolute steal. That Raiders squad played with more passion than I’ve seen from the Bills in 20 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 6 hours ago, Paulus said: Darbs is nowhere near the player mack is, but the guy has looked good. Dareus, too. I mean, the Bills had no "Mack" to purge, but did purge some of our best. They purged a defensive tackle who was making 13 million dollars a year to not produce on the field and be a complete numb nuts off of it. He hasn't made the pro bowl since he signed his huge contract, and has less sacks in the last three years combined than he did in his one monster year alone. They purged a wideout who has averaged 2 catches for 32 yards a game since he left despite everyone in the world lining up to tell me how elite his talent level is. The chiefs can go ahead and pay 14 million a year for that elite talent. They purged a cornerback who has twice now been involved in covering up for a guy who can't seem to keep his unwanted hands off women. I'll take the pick. People want to look backwards like the Bills were loaded with talent. Where did it get them? The answer is no where. The Bills needed a QB and they did everything they could to get in line to bring one in. Cannot believe we are still bemoaning the loss of defensive tackles, right cornerbacks and wideouts who don't produce. You don't win super bowls with defensive tackles. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Only because I watched each year Gruden in Tampa, I have one perspective. Rich McKay and Dungy built one heck of a defense and serviceable offense. Gruden did come in and won that SB, but his personnel decisions were terrible, and they were up and down for next several years. He brought in a bunch of old guys, like he is doing now, benched one of our better RB’s in Alston, for a rotten QB, ran off McKay and had a figure head in Bruce. He was good in Oakland and a good OC in Philly. Now he has $100 million and Mark Davis doesn’t have the money to eat any of it. He brought him to keep the fans happy until they get to Vegas. He was good at ESPN, and will end up doing something like this again, after. He gets fired. If he was under the control of a strong GM, he could probably do fine, b/c no GM would have let Mack go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 7 hours ago, Augie said: M debating nothing, just stating that Mack is a far superior player than Peters ever was, despite Peters being a stud. Peters is a two time All Pro and a nine time Pro Bowler who has come back twice from devastating injuries (Achilles and ACL). In his prime, he was acknowledged as the best LT in the NFL, and even at the end of his career, he's still embarrassingly better than any OLer the Bills have ever had before or since. He's one of the greatest LTs in the NFL since the merger. Mack's a newbie compared to Peters. When his career's finished, we'll see how he compares to the greatest DEs in the NFL since 1970. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasovon Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 9 hours ago, PlayoffsPlease said: Bears lost too. because Trubisky panicked and played terribly in the second half when they needed a touchdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 7 hours ago, RyanC883 said: not because of Mack. Because of freaking A. Rodgers. Where did Mack go in the second half? He was all over Kizer in the 1st.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Can you just imagine what Mrs Gruden is thinking when he told her this? "Sorry honey, gonna be a very late night here at the office reviewing game tape and trying to figure out where the pass rush went" "Yeah, ok Jon, your not a great liar, enjoy your affair, I'm calling the divorce attorney....." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 So he plans on watching the Bear's game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Just like McDermott looking at the tape to see where our pass protection broke down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 10 hours ago, RyanC883 said: not because of Mack. Because of freaking A. Rodgers. Macks job is literately to stop Aaron Rodgers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 11 hours ago, Augie said: Gruden will walk away as a VERY wealthy failure, eventually. Then go back to TV if he continues to need attention. Raiders blew it big time. Horrible hire. You're amazing. What you have been able to figure out from single games makes you the best analyst I have ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Trading your best pass rusher and best player on the team because you and management did not think he was worth the cost of a new contract is why. Sends a message to the team that, like it or not, you are not serious about having and paying top talent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said: You're amazing. What you have been able to figure out from single games makes you the best analyst I have ever seen. I’ve been around the guy going back well over a decade. Not only did I hear all the dirt when I lived near Tampa and he was the Bucs coach (he was despised by many of his own players who called him dishonest - that won’t last long), but I’ve been on the field with him while our sons used to play against each other. Entire weekends of 7 on 7’s. I freely admit, I don’t like him personally. Almost everybody there who was paying attention would agree with me. Don’t talk trash about a 16-17 year old kid, right in front of that kid. So yeah, I don’t like him. Time will tell if he makes it all the way through that contract. I doubt it. Edited September 12, 2018 by Augie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 22 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Macks job is literately to stop Aaron Rodgers. He couldn't. Rodgers sharted on the Bears D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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