Marv's Neighbor Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 We need to cut the Carolina connection, and he's a good place to start. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 18 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: Rank your 1-32 active QB's in the NFL. And where Cam fits. Thanks. 1. Peterman and in the distance, far behind you have the rest... 2-8 don't matter, I will not rate one above another and believe there is no dispute to proclaim any of these QB's to be better than Newton; arguably you could with Wilson but he has a ring, so I will not give any merit to any claim he is worse. Roethlisberger Brees Brady Rodgers Flacco Manning Wilson 8 through 14 in no particular order because the style of offense matters and it will not matter for my argument because you'll go off of *feelings* to refute anything I say because Newton has yardage, TD's, etc. Ryan Dalton Rivers Cousins Stafford Luck Newton Others that are good but different and not worthy of top half of the league but are still QB's offering something to the team: Fitzy Carr Bortles The rest are too young to bother making an argument for or against, but if the brief glimpse we have seen of Wentz, Garrapolo and Mahomes continues they are offering their teams a better chance to win then Newton is currently. But, you cannot weigh their career against Newton, yet. Newton is not a leader, accurate, able to complete complicated reads and pull off difficult throws. He just slings it and hopes someone catches it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Just now, Boyst62 said: 1. Peterman and in the distance, far behind you have the rest... 2-8 don't matter, I will not rate one above another and believe there is no dispute to proclaim any of these QB's to be better than Newton; arguably you could with Wilson but he has a ring, so I will not give any merit to any claim he is worse. Roethlisberger Brees Brady Rodgers Flacco Manning Wilson 8 through 14 in no particular order because the style of offense matters and it will not matter for my argument because you'll go off of *feelings* to refute anything I say because Newton has yardage, TD's, etc. Ryan Dalton Rivers Cousins Stafford Luck Newton Others that are good but different and not worthy of top half of the league but are still QB's offering something to the team: Fitzy Carr Bortles The rest are too young to bother making an argument for or against, but if the brief glimpse we have seen of Wentz, Garrapolo and Mahomes continues they are offering their teams a better chance to win then Newton is currently. But, you cannot weigh their career against Newton, yet. Newton is not a leader, accurate, able to complete complicated reads and pull off difficult throws. He just slings it and hopes someone catches it. So at worst, you have Cam Newton 14th in the NFL and at best 8th, and you say he's "terrible" "sucks" or "a loser." (I had him between 5th and 12th, remember). What a deranged argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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boyst Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 22 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said: Is this true? I don't pay close attention to the Panthers and don't live near the area so I haven't heard anything like this. his attitude affects the young players on the team. it's not talked about but his constant craving of attention takes credit away from other players. CMC is humble and doesn't get bothered by it otherwise it'd be different. Looking at much better players like Steve Smith rip Newton apart is clear evidence. there are only a few WR's that stay with newton for more than a few years, they grow tired of him, his ol will turn on him without kalil holding the ol together. newton makes no blocking calls for the line and has no idea whats going on per reports i've read - kalil tells newton what they'll do. him leaving at the endo f hte year is doom for the panthers. teammates just never cared about him for his antics and he fights a lot in practice. the carolina media soaks him up as the poster boy for it but if he doesnt get attention he is a child sulking and pissing people off as he pouts - which is exactly what norman has said and it's true. 2 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: So at worst, you have Cam Newton 14th in the NFL and at best 8th, and you say he's "terrible" "sucks" or "a loser." (I had him between 5th and 12th, remember). What a deranged argument. no. in a field of only judging 16 qbs on their career because too many are too young, though show potential, in this current snapshot he is only middle of hte road. and if he is not a clear cut argued top 3 qb right now and has not been for his entire career (he has not) there is no way anyone with a sound mine, intelligence over that of a 5 year old, or detached from madden can rate him a top 10 qb in the history of the league as some perennial force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: his attitude affects the young players on the team. it's not talked about but his constant craving of attention takes credit away from other players. CMC is humble and doesn't get bothered by it otherwise it'd be different. Looking at much better players like Steve Smith rip Newton apart is clear evidence. there are only a few WR's that stay with newton for more than a few years, they grow tired of him, his ol will turn on him without kalil holding the ol together. newton makes no blocking calls for the line and has no idea whats going on per reports i've read - kalil tells newton what they'll do. him leaving at the endo f hte year is doom for the panthers. teammates just never cared about him for his antics and he fights a lot in practice. the carolina media soaks him up as the poster boy for it but if he doesnt get attention he is a child sulking and pissing people off as he pouts - which is exactly what norman has said and it's true. Thanks. Didn't realize it was so bad with Cam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, Happy Gilmore said: Thanks. Didn't realize it was so bad with Cam. it's not **bad** it's just difficult. the team gets it, he's successful at football and contributes to his teams success so they overlook it. but as soon as he begins to be an issue i promise he will be ostracized. a good example was one of the biggest fights he got in to years ago. it was training camp and some young DB was going to tackle him and let up on a tackle in order to not hurt the QB. cam lowers his shoulder on the young DB and knocks the kid around banging him up a little because he knows he can get away with it and thinking it's ok to just bully guys who cannot defend themselves in ordre to showboat. this is when josh norman attacked him, because as norman said, newton is always clowning and showboating on defenders who cannot do anything back. Edited October 14, 2018 by Boyst62 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: his attitude affects the young players on the team. it's not talked about but his constant craving of attention takes credit away from other players. CMC is humble and doesn't get bothered by it otherwise it'd be different. Looking at much better players like Steve Smith rip Newton apart is clear evidence. there are only a few WR's that stay with newton for more than a few years, they grow tired of him, his ol will turn on him without kalil holding the ol together. newton makes no blocking calls for the line and has no idea whats going on per reports i've read - kalil tells newton what they'll do. him leaving at the endo f hte year is doom for the panthers. teammates just never cared about him for his antics and he fights a lot in practice. the carolina media soaks him up as the poster boy for it but if he doesnt get attention he is a child sulking and pissing people off as he pouts - which is exactly what norman has said and it's true. no. in a field of only judging 16 qbs on their career because too many are too young, though show potential, in this current snapshot he is only middle of hte road. and if he is not a clear cut argued top 3 qb right now and has not been for his entire career (he has not) there is no way anyone with a sound mine, intelligence over that of a 5 year old, or detached from madden can rate him a top 10 qb in the history of the league as some perennial force. I have never ever ever said he is a top 10 QB in league history. Especially if you consider "playing the position the right way" which I do. Cam is closer to a weapon than a QB. He is closer to a Tyrod Taylor than a Tom Brady. He will never ever be the guy who dissects a defense, who is surgical against coverages, who is pinpoint accurate. Ever. He HAS BEEN a guy capable of putting the offense on his back because he has a cannon and can run through defenders. And when he gets hot, much like Eli, Stafford etc, he is capable of playing against the best. And that's why he's overrated. Guys like Brady/Manning/etc have offered a million little things and details that Cam never has. But Cam can still win an MVP through his ridiculous talent alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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unclepete Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Cam Newton was a winner in college in a major conference and on a national scale. He also won at the JUCO. I beleive he threw for almost 400 yards in his first start. WHy are we comparing Cam Newton to Josh Allen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RaoulDuke79 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 At this point I'd trade Peterman and Benjamin for a case of jock straps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Regardless, Benjamin needs to be traded, if anyone will have him, for his play. Which has been almost invisible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Benjamin did have two very good catches on long balls and another pretty nice play on a shorter one. It's not his fault Daboll puts Dimarco out wide or the team doesn't know how to line up on the LOS. He was not a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 The topic is Benjamin, enough Cam Newton talk. So the coach is going to check into the report that KB refused to run routes with Allen before the game. If this is true then KB should be benched and traded. Whatever we have to do to not pay him would be great. We can lose with Ray Ray in there, no problem. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DC Tom Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 33 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said: Get him off the team. I'd trade him and throw in Peterman for the sake of it. Trade Benjamin or Peterman, and you might get a fifth for each. Package them, and those two fifths turn in to a single seventh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Just now, DC Tom said: Trade Benjamin or Peterman, and you might get a fifth for each. Package them, and those two fifths turn in to a single seventh. are you sure you get those picks or do you have to give them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 On 9/9/2018 at 5:32 PM, Best Player Available said: He's a borderline scrub. Props to Beane for not extending him in the off season. I can't give Beane ot McDermott credit for anything today. Its not fair but I can't. This offense overshadows EVERYTHING. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Agent 91 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 4 hours ago, yrly said: If Clappy doesn’t bench him for the remark, one more reason Clappy is not my coach, I think after week 2 I thought Holmes should have started over him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: But she was the only to report it... which might lend credence to it being a run of the mill interaction and not noteworthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 4 hours ago, Fadingpain said: Is he still part of the process? Do Beane and McDummy get passes on bringing this poison into the Bills locking room, having already known what he was about? Right... wasnt this the exact reason we traded sammy 2 hours ago, DCOrange said: I don't know how you don't release Benjamin at this point. You preach culture over talent and he's neither at this point and has no future with the team. Just cut him and be done with it. They are walking contradictions. They say the right things. I wish I could know what their process is and what makes it different from all the other teams in the league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Agent 91 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 2 hours ago, BringBackOrton said: MVP. #1 offense in the NFL in points scored. Newton led the NFL in TD's. He deserved it. Be dumber. You can't. You can't bring actual tangible fact into the equation. Also didn't they go 15 and 1 or something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobH063 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 5 hours ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said: This guy is a no-talent pigdick. Bench him then cut or trade the guy. Terrible teammate What the hell does a corkscrew have to do with Kelvin Benjamin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Code for.... he has to look at the pregame film? 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I have to check the tape. 1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said: Heads will roll this week, it's just a matter of who and how many. If I'm McD I cut Peterman, Benjamin, Ray Ray and Lacey immediately. Fire Crossman and tell Daboll he's on thin ice. We just wasted one of the best defensive performances by a Bills team in a long time. I don't cut mccloud or Lacey. Crossman had survived 3 coaches... HOW!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaywrizzo Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Allen can't find him when he's wide open anyways....But get Benjamin out of here bcuz he don't want to be here anyways... .go Young...trade Shady for a 3rd, get whatever you can for Clay and send Benjamin packing..Allen out there looking like he did at Wyoming! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 (edited) 30 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Quote Benjamin explained what traditionally happens in warmups to help players get ready for the game. "I was out stretching and just running and just doing my pregame warmup. Usually I'll go over to Josh and get a couple balls before he goes in (to the locker room) because Josh goes in (earlier) than all the rest of the players to come in and do his routine," Benjamin said. "And right before I seen he was about to go in, he asked me, 'You need anything.' And I was like, 'Nah, I'm good.' Then he ended up leaving and I ended up leaving, but I guess she put the tweet out thinking like, this is a big break. I mean, you put stories out there like that and you know your page starts to get followers." I mean, that does sound like a pretty plausible explanation and not something that is as big a deal as it’s being made out to be. Edit - though the part that confuses me is that they said Allen stayed out on the field with other WR’s. Maybe the other WR’s asked him to? Or the reporter got that part wrong? Or maybe Benjamin isn’t telling the whole truth? Im sure more will come out. Edited October 14, 2018 by BillsFan4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: I mean, that does sound like a pretty plausible explanation and not something that is as big a deal as it’s being made out to be. Edit - though the part that confuses me is that they said Allen stayed out on the field with other WR’s. Maybe the other WR’s asked him to? Or maybe Benjamin isn’t telling the whole truth? Im sure more will come out. Just listened to his post-game comments. The whole thing was apparently intentionally distorted by whoever "broke" this story. The whole thing was a routine situation and Benjamin did nothing unusual. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Benjamin was the least of our problems this game. Which is saying something. He still doesn't get much separation but he made two very nice 30+ yard catches. Who else on this team does it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 (edited) Get him out of here. The guy is a loser who blames others for why he is terrible. Not sure I ever want to see him playing in a Bills uniform again. McDermott would send a big message cutting him. Edited October 14, 2018 by atlbillsfan1975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 14, 2018 Author Share Posted October 14, 2018 Mike Rodak ESPN Staff Writer Bills' WR Kelvin Benjamin described a report from WHAM before Sunday's 20-13 game that he declined to run routes pregame with QB Josh Allen as "misinformation." Benjamin said he felt ready for the game when Allen asked him if he needed more routes and that he wanted to "conserve his energy" and get an IV before kickoff. "It wasn't a question of, 'Do you want to run routes?' and I declined," Benjamin said. "That's just somebody trying to take something and run with it, try to get their name out there. Pregame is the player's choice to warm up to get ready for the game." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 KB: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpsredemption Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Definitely worth the 3rd round pick we gave up for him. God forbid we use premium draft picks on offensive skill positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: 2 hours ago, wppete said: Wow what a horrible look. Benjamin needs to sit or be traded. Wow!!! That is straight trash. remember went bj Hobert said he didn't read the playbook, I think the same thing should happen to Benjamin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Bye bye Whoopie, you're useless. Get a late round pick and be done with him. Next up, Lacey, penatly after penalty on ST. WTF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Jenna Cottrell @JennaCottrell 2m2 minutes ago #Bills WR Kelvin Benjamin addressed post game not running routes with Josh Allen, he said "came into this game really wanting to conserve my energy to come back in, and get an IV, do other things to get ready for the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: On the surface, agree, but could there be a legit reason why this would not be a good idea pregame? Couldn't what they work on and the way KB runs the routes could be a "tell" to the other team? No. It's just route running. 2 hours ago, BillsFan4 said: If this is true and there wasn’t good reason for it, You have to wonder if KB is actually trying to get cut. If if that’s the case, do you reward him by giving him what he wants? Or do you just make him inactive? No cut, just trade or bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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