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18 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

Rank your 1-32 active QB's in the NFL.  And where Cam fits.  Thanks.

1. Peterman

 

and in the distance, far behind you have the rest...

 

2-8 don't matter, I will not rate one above another and believe there is no dispute to proclaim any of these QB's to be better than Newton; arguably you could with Wilson but he has a ring, so I will not give any merit to any claim he is worse.

Roethlisberger

Brees

Brady

Rodgers

Flacco

Manning

Wilson

 

8 through 14 in no particular order because the style of offense matters and it will not matter for my argument because you'll go off of *feelings* to refute anything I say because Newton has yardage, TD's, etc.

Ryan

Dalton

Rivers

Cousins

Stafford

Luck

Newton


Others that are good but different and not worthy of top half of the league but are still QB's offering something to the team:

Fitzy

Carr

Bortles

 

The rest are too young to bother making an argument for or against, but if the brief glimpse we have seen of Wentz, Garrapolo and Mahomes continues they are offering their teams a better chance to win then Newton is currently.  But, you cannot weigh their career against Newton, yet.

 

Newton is not a leader, accurate, able to complete complicated reads and pull off difficult throws.  He just slings it and hopes someone catches it.

 

 

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Just now, Boyst62 said:

1. Peterman

 

and in the distance, far behind you have the rest...

 

2-8 don't matter, I will not rate one above another and believe there is no dispute to proclaim any of these QB's to be better than Newton; arguably you could with Wilson but he has a ring, so I will not give any merit to any claim he is worse.

Roethlisberger

Brees

Brady

Rodgers

Flacco

Manning

Wilson

 

8 through 14 in no particular order because the style of offense matters and it will not matter for my argument because you'll go off of *feelings* to refute anything I say because Newton has yardage, TD's, etc.

Ryan

Dalton

Rivers

Cousins

Stafford

Luck

Newton


Others that are good but different and not worthy of top half of the league but are still QB's offering something to the team:

Fitzy

Carr

Bortles

 

The rest are too young to bother making an argument for or against, but if the brief glimpse we have seen of Wentz, Garrapolo and Mahomes continues they are offering their teams a better chance to win then Newton is currently.  But, you cannot weigh their career against Newton, yet.

 

Newton is not a leader, accurate, able to complete complicated reads and pull off difficult throws.  He just slings it and hopes someone catches it.

 

 

So at worst, you have Cam Newton 14th in the NFL and at best 8th, and you say he's "terrible" "sucks" or "a loser."  (I had him between 5th and 12th, remember).

 

What a deranged argument.

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22 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

Is this true?  I don't pay close attention to the Panthers and don't live near the area so I haven't heard anything like this.

his attitude affects the young players on the team.  it's not talked about but his constant craving of attention takes credit away from other players.  CMC is humble and doesn't get bothered by it otherwise it'd be different.  Looking at much better players like Steve Smith rip Newton apart is clear evidence.  there are only a few WR's that stay with newton for more than a few years, they grow tired of him, his ol will turn on him without kalil holding the ol together.  newton makes no blocking calls for the line and has no idea whats going on per reports i've read - kalil tells newton what they'll do.  him leaving at the endo f hte year is doom for the panthers.

 

teammates just never cared about him for his antics and he fights a lot in practice.  the carolina media soaks him up as the poster boy for it but if he doesnt get attention he is a child sulking and pissing people off as he pouts - which is exactly what norman has said and it's true.

2 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

So at worst, you have Cam Newton 14th in the NFL and at best 8th, and you say he's "terrible" "sucks" or "a loser."  (I had him between 5th and 12th, remember).

 

What a deranged argument.

no.  in a field of only judging 16 qbs on their career because too many are too young, though show potential, in this current snapshot he is only middle of hte road.

 

and if he is not a clear cut argued top 3 qb right now and has not been for his entire career (he has not) there is no way anyone with a sound mine, intelligence over that of a 5 year old, or detached from madden can rate him a top 10 qb in the history of the league as some perennial force.

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2 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

his attitude affects the young players on the team.  it's not talked about but his constant craving of attention takes credit away from other players.  CMC is humble and doesn't get bothered by it otherwise it'd be different.  Looking at much better players like Steve Smith rip Newton apart is clear evidence.  there are only a few WR's that stay with newton for more than a few years, they grow tired of him, his ol will turn on him without kalil holding the ol together.  newton makes no blocking calls for the line and has no idea whats going on per reports i've read - kalil tells newton what they'll do.  him leaving at the endo f hte year is doom for the panthers.

 

teammates just never cared about him for his antics and he fights a lot in practice.  the carolina media soaks him up as the poster boy for it but if he doesnt get attention he is a child sulking and pissing people off as he pouts - which is exactly what norman has said and it's true.

 

Thanks.  Didn't realize it was so bad with Cam.

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1 minute ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

Thanks.  Didn't realize it was so bad with Cam.

it's not **bad** it's just difficult.  the team gets it, he's successful at football and contributes to his teams success so they overlook it.  but as soon as he begins to be an issue i promise he will be ostracized.  

 

a good example was one of the biggest fights he got in to years ago.  it was training camp and some young DB was going to tackle him and let up on a tackle in order to not hurt the QB.  cam lowers his shoulder on the young DB and knocks the kid around banging him up a little because he knows he can get away with it and thinking it's ok to just bully guys who cannot defend themselves in ordre to showboat.  this is when josh norman attacked him, because as norman said, newton is always clowning and showboating on defenders who cannot do anything back.

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3 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

his attitude affects the young players on the team.  it's not talked about but his constant craving of attention takes credit away from other players.  CMC is humble and doesn't get bothered by it otherwise it'd be different.  Looking at much better players like Steve Smith rip Newton apart is clear evidence.  there are only a few WR's that stay with newton for more than a few years, they grow tired of him, his ol will turn on him without kalil holding the ol together.  newton makes no blocking calls for the line and has no idea whats going on per reports i've read - kalil tells newton what they'll do.  him leaving at the endo f hte year is doom for the panthers.

 

teammates just never cared about him for his antics and he fights a lot in practice.  the carolina media soaks him up as the poster boy for it but if he doesnt get attention he is a child sulking and pissing people off as he pouts - which is exactly what norman has said and it's true.

no.  in a field of only judging 16 qbs on their career because too many are too young, though show potential, in this current snapshot he is only middle of hte road.

 

and if he is not a clear cut argued top 3 qb right now and has not been for his entire career (he has not) there is no way anyone with a sound mine, intelligence over that of a 5 year old, or detached from madden can rate him a top 10 qb in the history of the league as some perennial force.

I have never ever ever said he is a top 10 QB in league history.  Especially if you consider "playing the position the right way" which I do.

 

Cam is closer to a weapon than a QB.  He is closer to a Tyrod Taylor than a Tom Brady.  He will never ever be the guy who dissects a defense, who is surgical against coverages, who is pinpoint accurate.  Ever.  He HAS BEEN a guy capable of putting the offense on his back because he has a cannon and can run through defenders.  And when he gets hot, much like Eli, Stafford etc, he is capable of playing against the best.  

 

And that's why he's overrated.  Guys like Brady/Manning/etc have offered a million little things and details that Cam never has.  But Cam can still win an MVP through his ridiculous talent alone.  

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The topic is Benjamin, enough Cam Newton talk.

 

So the coach is going to check into the report that KB refused to run routes with Allen before the game.

 

If this is true then KB should be benched and  traded.  Whatever we have to do to not pay him would be great.  We can lose with Ray Ray in there, no problem. 

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33 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

Get him off the team. I'd trade him and throw in Peterman for the sake of it.

 

Trade Benjamin or Peterman, and you might get a fifth for each.

 

Package them, and those two fifths turn in to a single seventh.

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On 9/9/2018 at 5:32 PM, Best Player Available said:

He's a borderline scrub. Props to Beane for not extending him in the off season. 

I can't give Beane ot McDermott credit for anything today. Its not fair but I can't. This offense overshadows EVERYTHING.  

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4 hours ago, Fadingpain said:

Is he still part of the process?

 

Do Beane and McDummy get passes on bringing this poison into the Bills locking room, having already known what he was about?

 

 

Right... wasnt this the exact reason we traded sammy

2 hours ago, DCOrange said:

I don't know how you don't release Benjamin at this point. You preach culture over talent and he's neither at this point and has no future with the team. Just cut him and be done with it.

They are walking contradictions. They say the right things. I wish I could know what their process is and what makes it different from all the other teams in the league

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2 hours ago, BringBackOrton said:

MVP.

 

#1 offense in the NFL in points scored.  Newton led the NFL in TD's.

 

He deserved it.  Be dumber. You can't.

You can't bring actual tangible fact into the equation. Also didn't they go 15 and 1 or something

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1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Code for.... he has to look at the pregame film?

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I have to check the tape.

 

1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Heads will roll this week, it's just a matter of who and how many. If I'm McD I cut Peterman,  Benjamin,  Ray Ray and Lacey immediately.  Fire Crossman and tell Daboll he's on thin ice. We just wasted one of the best defensive performances by a Bills team in a long time.

I don't cut mccloud or Lacey. Crossman  had survived 3 coaches... HOW!!!!

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Allen can't find him when he's wide open anyways....But get Benjamin out of here bcuz he don't want to be here anyways...

.go Young...trade Shady for a 3rd, get whatever you can for Clay and send Benjamin packing..Allen out there looking like he did at Wyoming!

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30 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 

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Benjamin explained what traditionally happens in warmups to help players get ready for the game.

 

"I was out stretching and just running and just doing my pregame warmup. Usually I'll go over to Josh and get a couple balls before he goes in (to the locker room) because Josh goes in (earlier) than all the rest of the players to come in and do his routine," Benjamin said. "And right before I seen he was about to go in, he asked me, 'You need anything.' And I was like, 'Nah, I'm good.' Then he ended up leaving and I ended up leaving, but I guess she put the tweet out thinking like, this is a big break. I mean, you put stories out there like that and you know your page starts to get followers."

 

I mean, that does sound like a pretty plausible explanation and not something that is as big a deal as it’s being made out to be. 

 

Edit - though the part that confuses me is that they said Allen stayed out on the field with other WR’s. Maybe the other WR’s asked him to? Or the reporter got that part wrong? Or maybe Benjamin isn’t telling the whole truth? 

Im sure more will come out. 

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3 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

 

 

I mean, that does sound like a pretty plausible explanation and not something that is as big a deal as it’s being made out to be. 

 

Edit - though the part that confuses me is that they said Allen stayed out on the field with other WR’s. Maybe the other WR’s asked him to? Or maybe Benjamin isn’t telling the whole truth? 

Im sure more will come out. 

Just listened to his post-game comments.

 

The whole thing was apparently intentionally distorted by whoever "broke" this story.

 

The whole thing was a routine situation and Benjamin did nothing unusual.

 

 

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Mike Rodak ESPN Staff Writer
Bills' WR Kelvin Benjamin described a report from WHAM before Sunday's 20-13 game that he declined to run routes pregame with QB Josh Allen as "misinformation." Benjamin said he felt ready for the game when Allen asked him if he needed more routes and that he wanted to "conserve his energy" and get an IV before kickoff. "It wasn't a question of, 'Do you want to run routes?' and I declined," Benjamin said. "That's just somebody trying to take something and run with it, try to get their name out there. Pregame is the player's choice to warm up to get ready for the game."
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2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

On the surface, agree, but could there be a legit reason why this would not be a good idea pregame? 

 

Couldn't what they work on and the way KB runs the routes could be a "tell" to the other team?

 

No. It's just route running.

 

 

2 hours ago, BillsFan4 said:

If this is true and there wasn’t good reason for it, You have to wonder if KB is actually trying to get cut. 

 

If if that’s the case, do you reward him by giving him what he wants? Or do you just make him inactive? 

 

 

 

No cut, just trade or bench.

 

 

 

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