Dr. K Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 23 minutes ago, BigDingus said: No money? Where did all that money we gave to Star come from then? Thank god they spent a boatload on him to protect our huge investment at QB right? No? Well at least he's going to be a dominant force on defense right? Hmmm.... about that.... Ok, at least we used our other 1st round pick on someone who will help Allen right?! What? We used it on a 19 year old LB??? Ok....this is starting to look like we had options, but decided O-line wasn't the priority I questioned the wisdom of Beane throwing away a pro bowl left tackle. At the very least the tackles would be solid and they could concentrate on the interior. I also don't see how switching out Dareus for Louteleli was a good move. 17 minutes ago, Kmart128 said: Yeah and we weren't gonna get a guranteed starter with those next three selections. And we still needed a nickle Corner. At that point in draft your just not gonna draft a starter... That's the point to add depth and that's what we did. Watching games last year it was clear that QB, DT, and WR were our biggest needs. We addressed two of the positions. We had so many holes to fill that you can't fill them all in one offseason. It's impossible. Especially when we traded up in first twice. I'm sure OLine and WR and gonna be addressed in next off-season or at trade deadline. Beane CREATED those holes at DT and WR by getting rid of starters for chump change. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 34 minutes ago, Kmart128 said: I mean they tried... Just didn't have the money. We signed Newhouse and Bodine... and drafted Tellar. We tried to address it with what we had. Trading up twice in the first round hurt our draft picks we had. And they didn't count on losing Cog after FA was basically over, and even Woods, admittedly they did have time to address that spot which they did with Bodine. So far hasn't worked too well. I'll wait for the real games to start though as can recall last pre-season people were saying the same thing. The first half of the season they were still shaky, but by Nov/Dec they were holding their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 7 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Hold on Kmart, don't get mad at me. I've been saying in every OL thread this offseason that Beane and McDermott have chose not to address the OL situation at all this year. I also said if the OL "blows" which causes the entire offense to play bad then so be it. I got replies (and Dingus did too because both of us talk a lot about the OL) like: Conor McDermott is great and will be the starting RT. Miller is going to have a breakout year at LG. etc. Click on the Spotrac link to see how low at #32 the Bills OL really is, if you want to. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/offensive-line/ Well we shall see... I do think our starting unit is bad. But at the same time I think that this OLine is deeper than it has ever been. I just think it's about finding the right combination. Groy playing Guard with Bodine at Center seemed to be our best lineup today... Miller and Ducasse both played terrible. I'd like to sign Alex Boone and maybe go with a lineup of LT- Dawkins LG- Groy ?C- Bodine RG- Boone RT- Mills Think that kind of lineup would get us by for awhile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 28 minutes ago, VADC Bills said: We are now getting a glimpse of Beane's team. Just about all of the Whaley guys are gone. Beane has created a lot of holes foolishly giving away picks. Now he will have to build a team on his own. We have not outplayed anyone's first team yet this preseason. This may be a long season. I think we far outplayed Caolina's 1st team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 33 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: No money, and they needed to draft a franchise QB. They have the most dead money in the NFL this season. This is year two of a tear down / rebuild project. Making the playoffs in the teardown year doesn’t change that. Please stop interrupting the hysteria with your common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Tyrod Taylor helped mask certain deficiencies plus Wood & Incognito were better than the dudes they replaced. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 40 minutes ago, BigDingus said: I've only been talking about this all offseason...but this board seems to think you can throw in 5 scrubs to start as long as you have a 1st round QB behind your line. I really don't get why fans do this every year. Nobody cares about the O-line until they see how it gets us destroyed. Suddenly everyone cares when they realize our QB is getting smacked around week after week, our RB is getting stuffed in the backfield 1 second after the ball is snapped, and we start racking up loss after loss. It's happened so many times in the past 20 years, it blows my mind. I feel like Bills fans should be intimately acquainted with the importance of a good O-line at this point...especially after we've seen so many QB's get eaten alive behind such garbage ones. You're right, you can't. But since it was clear since the 2017 draft the Bill were loading up to take a QB in the 1st round, perhaps they should've spent some time planning on how to protect him as the #2 priority.... First of all....Dawkins is not a scrub Second.....we are going through the pain year of a dead cap season...EVERYONE knows that this OL was going to suffer Third....nobody listens to you 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, Kmart128 said: Well we shall see... I do think our starting unit is bad. But at the same time I think that this OLine is deeper than it has ever been. I just think it's about finding the right combination. Groy playing Guard with Bodine at Center seemed to be our best lineup today... Miller and Ducasse both played terrible. I'd like to sign Alex Boone and maybe go with a lineup of LT- Dawkins LG- Groy ?C- Bodine RG- Boone RT- Mills Think that kind of lineup would get us by for awhile I wanted them to sign Boone months ago. We shall see if Beane thinks he needs to address the OL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 11 minutes ago, Dr. K said: I questioned the wisdom of Beane throwing away a pro bowl left tackle. At the very least the tackles would be solid and they could concentrate on the interior. I also don't see how switching out Dareus for Louteleli was a good move. Beane CREATED those holes at DT and WR by getting rid of starters for chump change. Watkins would have been gone now with nothing at all in return. Dareus, agree better WHEN he fels like showing up. And hopefully doesn't get suspended again for something stupid that he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 33 minutes ago, TPS said: Dawkins would've helped a little. They are a decent run blocking group, which is why they need someone who gets the ball out quick. Doubt it, the pressure was right up the middle. One of the worst interior performances I have seen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 1 minute ago, billspro said: Doubt it, the pressure was right up the middle. One of the worst interior performances I have seen. "A little" was the operative qualifier... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 1 minute ago, ScottLaw said: They are going to have to get some help on defense next year as well. Pass rush is still bad and LBs are questionable. Another starting corner opposite White will be needed as well. Hopefully they hit on Murphy and Star. If those guys both struggle then McBeane will have their hands full next offseason. No doubt. The pass rush has been undetectable thus far this ps. It’s a talent starved roster all around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRT88 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Miller was awful today. Multiple penalties and he gave up 3 sacks himself. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 1 hour ago, JaCrispy said: Because our head coach is a defensive coach first, so he is more concerned with that side of the ball FIRST. After seeing this D I am concerned with that side of the ball too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan714 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 1 hour ago, bigK14094 said: Bean overpaid for the two #1's.....gave up a slew of 2's and 3's that could have rebuilt some positions of need like OL. imho. Totally agree, this team and the future would of looked good with a OC, OG and OT on rookie contracts taken in rounds 2 and 3. Beane can be as loose as Whaley with trading away picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 It's a new coaching staff and they don't know what they don't know... It took Dick Jauron watching NT Kriss Jenkins manhandle three Bills players by himself and still sack the QB before they drafted Eric Wood in the first round and Andy Levitre in the second. Meanwhile, they didn't replace a top OT in Jason Peters until Buddy Nix drafted Cordy Glenn with a second round pick. These new coaching staffs learn as they go as McD knows defense so that is where he wants to put most of his marbles. What these men don't comprehend is that it takes five top linemen to make a solid, cohesive offensive line good enough to allow the team to win playoff games. Not to mention quality backup linemen in case of injuries. This current roster has neither! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Ducasse is the weakest link. Like a chain the OL is only as strong as it’s weakest link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 9 minutes ago, billspro said: Doubt it, the pressure was right up the middle. One of the worst interior performances I have seen. Losing Eric Wood and not properly replacing him s the problem and until they do replace him with equal or better talent this team will suffer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 45 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: can’t judgae anything fro this game other than this season is up in the air right now Can't judge anything period imo. Our stud, one of the best playmakers in the league didn't play. Our potential stud LT didn't play. No Kyle/Murphy. A very vanilla defense. I do agree with OL concerns but again , they could and should look completely different in Bmore. The staff is fully aware of the situation and will game plan accordingly. I still don't think we can be any worse than last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan692 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 And also incognito was never going to be able to play this year-- hes been going nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Just now, Nihilarian said: Losing Eric Wood and not properly replacing him s the problem and until they do replace him with equal or better talent this team will suffer. Not having a Center/QB combo nailed down by now is also a huge problem and I'm sure was a factor today. I think we'll figure it out. Looked Very vanilla . Really missed Dawkins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 31 minutes ago, SCBills said: I do think the OL will perform better come regular season. -For one thing, we’ll be running the ball more. -Hopefully the OL gels a bit more over the coming weeks leading up to Game 1. -Daboll can gameplan to hide weaknesses, instead of being in evaluation mode. -Dawkins and Shady will help. That being said... That first half today drained about 90% of my optimism for this season. Now we get to hold our breath and hope the OL isn’t a dumpster fire and preseason Peterman is the real Peterman, not SD Nate. We’ll know soon enough with Baltimore, San Diego and Minnesota defenses out the gate. Biggest worry - The “up the gut” pressure needs to get fixed and I don’t know how you do that without changing personnel or having said personnel man up. 1 This is a pipe dream as defenses will stack the box and blitz the weakest links. You know, like the Chargers did against Peterman last year. The first three teams are the Ravens, the Chargers, the Vikings and I wonder if the Bills will have run out of starting QB's by then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 8 minutes ago, billsfan714 said: Totally agree, this team and the future would of looked good with a OC, OG and OT on rookie contracts taken in rounds 2 and 3. Beane can be as loose as Whaley with trading away picks. Those picks were needed in order to get the 7th pick to get Josh Allen What would you have done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mij yllek Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 One way to get way under the salary cap is to cut all 5 starting O linemen and replace them with turnstiles. Less money, same result. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibum Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Trust the Process? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 5 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: Can't judge anything period imo. Our stud, one of the best playmakers in the league didn't play. Our potential stud LT didn't play. No Kyle/Murphy. A very vanilla defense. I do agree with OL concerns but again , they could and should look completely different in Bmore. The staff is fully aware of the situation and will game plan accordingly. I still don't think we can be any worse than last year 2 Last year the team had pro bowlers in Wood, Incognito and still stunk at times. Think back to 2010 and starting 0-8, finishing 4-12 and the only reason the team won four games is because Buddy Nix was able to pull Erik Pears and Kraig Urbk off the waiver wire to stop the jailbreaks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Those picks were needed in order to get the 7th pick to get Josh Allen What would you have done? Well... if we are going to start second guessing ourselves, maybe Edmunds was a luxury that we couldn't afford this year... Edited August 27, 2018 by Aussie Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, Mij yllek said: One way to get way under the salary cap is to cut all 5 starting O linemen and replace them with turnstiles. Less money, same result. Wood retiring and Icognito going crazy was out if their control, but you get what you pay for. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/offensive-line/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Well... if we are going to start second guessing ourselves, maybe Edmunds was a luxury that we couldn't afford this year... So who would we have starting at MLB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 It could be that the best talent pool to do an 0-line upgrade will become available a week from now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, Mij yllek said: One way to get way under the salary cap is to cut all 5 starting O linemen and replace them with turnstiles. Less money, same result. Is our starting OL making that much money? Dawkins (would we really cut him.....playing well....second round pick) Decausse (I will give you this one...not worth whatever he is making Groy (making peanuts) Bodine (Not making that much) Miller (not making that much) Mills (not making that much) Are you talking like starting street free agents or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wily Dog Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 what a bunch of Chicken Littles !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Just now, Nihilarian said: Last year the team had pro bowlers in Wood, Incognito and still stunk at times. Think back to 2010 and starting 0-8, finishing 4-12 and the only reason the team won four games is because Buddy Nix was able to pull Erik Pears and Kraig Urbk off the waiver wire to stop the jailbreaks. Last year they also had Tyrod Taylor who was afraid to throw the football and Dennison whose play calling had many girlfriends & wives of posters able to predict the play pre snap! The problem is the communication imo. Which is coachable. Woods was the big loss . He runs the line, calls the shifts ,etc and this QB and C competition didn't help We now have 2 weeks to get some chemistry on that OL.. I know what we just witnessed was depressing, embarrassing and a disaster but McD clearly was shuffling the line mid game (another reason for the confusion, terrible communication) to make a final assessment . These factors won't be a problem week 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: So who would we have starting at MLB? Some free agent scrub like Bowman? Maybe re-signed Preston another year? Neither one is a great option either mind you but the OL is looking ominous... To be honest though, - I loved the pick of Edmunds at the time so not really trying now to backtrack from that . Just wondering aloud if perhaps they could have gone in another direction.... Edited August 27, 2018 by Aussie Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 My Solution on addressing the OL with what is currently open to them. 1. Fire Juan 2. Fire Juan 3. LT - Dawkins LG - Teller C - Groy (have to live with this at this point) RG - Mills (can run block with power so maybe taking him out of space and in a phone booth it helps RT - Newhouse 4. Go back to points 1 and 2. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadonkadonk Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Because Beane fell in love with Edmunds and Zay Jones and pissed away our extra picks he got for pissing away the talent they already had on the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 This line is not very good at pass blocking right now. When the Bills offense gets in 3rd and long situations Daboll is going to have to be very creative. If the offense can keep the defense guessing then they will be ok for this season. Not good. Address the center position first and then the other guard position in the off season. If they can find a right tackle in FA so be it. Today had some to do with the Bills wanting to get Allen reps throwing against a first team D. Cincy is a good D too. Allen held up well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadonkadonk Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: My Solution on addressing the OL with what is currently open to them. 1. Fire Juan 2. Fire Juan 3. LT - Dawkins LG - Teller C - Groy (have to live with this at this point) RG - Mills (can run block with power so maybe taking him out of space and in a phone booth it helps RT - Newhouse 4. Go back to points 1 and 2. Maj may have something here. I thought Miller was going to be better and he has regressed even more. Waiver wire and maybe a trade. They have excess at RB, QB, TE, P, and S. Package a player and a pick to try and find a serviceable G somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Dadonkadonk said: Because Beane fell in love with Edmunds and Zay Jones and pissed away our extra picks he got for pissing away the talent they already had on the team. Beane was not here for the 2017 draft. Repeat, Beane was not here yet when they took Zay. This is a recording.......... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadonkadonk Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, JESSEFEFFER said: Beane was not here for the 2017 draft. Repeat, Beane was not here yet when they took Zay. This is a recording.......... Correct. McBeane pissed away draft picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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