Dadonkadonk Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Dallas and the NFL just lost a true star player even if he is a guard. Bills may have lost their heart on defense and a team leader. It is time to end all pre-season games. Don't tell me about timing and figuring out roster spots. Week 1 of college is played at just as high level as week 4. The plays run in pre-season are not the same ones they would run or face in week 1. All teams would be equal in terms of preparation. They knew their top 45 guys after OTAs and their top 50 before the first preseason game. There is no reason to risk injury in meaningless games. If a guy gets hurt in practice so be it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yard Monkey Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, Dadonkadonk said: Dallas and the NFL just lost a true star player even if he is a guard. Bills may have lost their heart on defense and a team leader. It is time to end all pre-season games. Don't tell me about timing and figuring out roster spots. Week 1 of college is played at just as high level as week 4. The plays run in pre-season are not the same ones they would run or face in week 1. All teams would be equal in terms of preparation. They knew their top 45 guys after OTAs and their top 50 before the first preseason game. There is no reason to risk injury in meaningless games. If a guy gets hurt in practice so be it. No reason? There’s a big reason:$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 I would agree to shorten to two weeks but some guys need the gametime to shine and other show how much they suck only in gametime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Losing players in the pre-season is one of the dark matters of the NFL, but this has been happening since the beginning of time. And in today's Information Age, it's just more scrutinized. By the way, I think the said KW was a minor injury. Don't know for sure, but that's what I read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Yeah I guess I'm gonna tell you about timing and figuring out roster spots. Well not really. I don't like the idea of killing the pre-season, but I do like the idea that has been floated where two of them become regular season games. Preseason would start at the same time, but only last for 2 games. The regular season would start mid-August and be 18 games. Tack on a couple roster spots, a few more million for the cap, and a second slot for IR designated to return... Boom, everybody wins. They will never kill it completely because it will decrease the product on the field during regular season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Injuries suck, but all teams have to deal with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadonkadonk Posted August 19, 2018 Author Share Posted August 19, 2018 Just now, njbuff said: Losing players in the pre-season is one of the dark matters of the NFL, but this has been happening since the beginning of time. And in today's Information Age, it's just more scrutinized. By the way, I think the said KW was a minor injury. Don't know for sure, but that's what I read. They thought the sun revolved around the earth. College has no pre-season and you could argue each individual game means more in college for the playoff. And yes most college first games are mismathches but many are not any longer. Time for the NFL to evolve. 2 minutes ago, Shotgunner said: Yeah I guess I'm gonna tell you about timing and figuring out roster spots. Well not really. I don't like the idea of killing the pre-season, but I do like the idea that has been floated where two of them become regular season games. Preseason would start at the same time, but only last for 2 games. The regular season would start mid-August and be 18 games. Tack on a couple roster spots, a few more million for the cap, and a second slot for IR designated to return... Boom, everybody wins. They will never kill it completely because it will decrease the product on the field during regular season. Cutting to two would be a start and they will find those games are unnecessary too. The product will be fine. These guys are professionals and have been playing for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 No changes until the next CBA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 One thing for sure, when it's not the Bills, it's not that interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Just now, PromoTheRobot said: One thing for sure, when it's not the Bills, it's not that interesting. So you're a Bills' fan and not an NFL football fan. Shocking! Total disbelief! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 I'd love to see it reduced to 2 games, and for the NFL regular season to start a few weeks earlier than it does. It goes too freaking late now, deep into December and January. That's nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodHands15 Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: It goes too freaking late now, deep into December and January. That's nuts. You wait until all the home playoff games we have and you’ll be glad to see Josh Allen’s frozen ropes piercing through the blustery winds of Orchard Park. Christmas has come early. GechaSum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greeneblitz Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Preseason will never end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 No, the preseason cannot end. The NFLPA thru rules have made it impossible for teams to get ready for season without preseason. No player HAS to play during preseason but they DO because coaches feel it is necessary. Players not on first draft contract could negotiate with teams to have written into contract that they do not need to play preseason or play only limited number of snaps, etc but they DON'T. Why? Because if the were asking for that then teams would insist something else - performance clauses, reduced salary, etc which players would refuse meaning that those things, usually money, is more important to them then not playing in preseason. Players have on occasion been "unavailable" using such as illnesses to avoid playing but they have to be very, very good (aka Bruce Smith) for teams to put up with it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 What about the guys that get hurt in camp? Rookie, mini, and training camps have also seen players get hurt, do we eliminate them all together as well? Football is an inherently violent sport, injuries are part of the game, doesn't mean we play less, considering its an interview/audition for some who are trying to carve out a career for them selves. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Well, you need to get the timing right for the 1st team going into week 1 and you have to figure out roster sports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 45 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: So you're a Bills' fan and not an NFL football fan. Shocking! Total disbelief! Pretty much. Knowing everything about every player feels like work to me. I'm 100% Bills invested. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Coffin Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dadonkadonk said: Dallas and the NFL just lost a true star player even if he is a guard. Bills may have lost their heart on defense and a team leader. It is time to end all pre-season games. Don't tell me about timing and figuring out roster spots. Week 1 of college is played at just as high level as week 4. The plays run in pre-season are not the same ones they would run or face in week 1. All teams would be equal in terms of preparation. They knew their top 45 guys after OTAs and their top 50 before the first preseason game. There is no reason to risk injury in meaningless games. If a guy gets hurt in practice so be it. Injuries happen everywhere, at any time...I personally think a reasonable solution would be to knock it down to 3 preseason games, or 2 with a "bye week" after or before the 2nd game. The problem with going down to 3 is some teams will be on the road twice and that'll hurt owners pockets, and they definitely want to line their pockets with cash. Also Zack Martin's knee injury isn't thought to be severe. Edited August 19, 2018 by Laughing Coffin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Preseason is a necessary evil. Injuries happen, and it sucks. You just can’t eliminate the ps altogether. They should drop one game and have the preseason end two weeks before opening day though. That last game is a joke in the current format. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 If you shorten pre-season to 2 weeks that doesn't solve the issue. The starters don't play much in game 1 and they don't play at all in game 4. So trimming it to 2 weeks doesn't lessen the playing time of the starters by much. I don't see an issue with the current pre-season format. Game 1 the starters get a few practice swings while the rest of the depth chart is set for games 2 and 3. Games 2 and 3 are the tune ups for the season. Game 4 is a last shot for the reserves and bubble players to make the roster. For the starters it basically is a 2 week pre-season. I find it funny that fans will call for an end to pre-season because of injuries but then when injuries happen during training camp they don't call for an end to training camp. 52 minutes ago, Laughing Coffin said: Injuries happen everywhere, at any time...I personally think a reasonable solution would be to knock it down to 3 preseason games, or 2 with a "bye week" after or before the 2nd game. The problem with going down to 3 is some teams will be on the road twice and that'll hurt owners pockets, and they definitely want to line their pockets with cash. Also Zack Martin's knee injury isn't thought to be severe. I don't think there is a solution. Teams do need live game simulation to get ready for the season. If you just allowed teams to do more intersquad scrimmages you would just see more injuries happen during those scrimmages. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 2 hours ago, Dadonkadonk said: Dallas and the NFL just lost a true star player even if he is a guard. Bills may have lost their heart on defense and a team leader. It is time to end all pre-season games. Don't tell me about timing and figuring out roster spots. Week 1 of college is played at just as high level as week 4. The plays run in pre-season are not the same ones they would run or face in week 1. All teams would be equal in terms of preparation. They knew their top 45 guys after OTAs and their top 50 before the first preseason game. There is no reason to risk injury in meaningless games. If a guy gets hurt in practice so be it. As long as they add 2 regular season games. Dnt want to wait till September to watch football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowboyBill Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 The preseason will go away as soon as colleges have to trim down to a 53 man roster. There are a lot of 6th-7th rounders and UDFA who need those games to prove they can play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Should srimage other teams in training camp for reps.against other teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 2 hours ago, Dadonkadonk said: They thought the sun revolved around the earth. College has no pre-season and you could argue each individual game means more in college for the playoff. And yes most college first games are mismathches but many are not any longer. Time for the NFL to evolve. Cutting to two would be a start and they will find those games are unnecessary too. The product will be fine. These guys are professionals and have been playing for years. Mismatches... The cause of more injuries than preseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadonkadonk Posted August 19, 2018 Author Share Posted August 19, 2018 1 hour ago, billsfan89 said: If you shorten pre-season to 2 weeks that doesn't solve the issue. The starters don't play much in game 1 and they don't play at all in game 4. So trimming it to 2 weeks doesn't lessen the playing time of the starters by much. I don't see an issue with the current pre-season format. Game 1 the starters get a few practice swings while the rest of the depth chart is set for games 2 and 3. Games 2 and 3 are the tune ups for the season. Game 4 is a last shot for the reserves and bubble players to make the roster. For the starters it basically is a 2 week pre-season. I find it funny that fans will call for an end to pre-season because of injuries but then when injuries happen during training camp they don't call for an end to training camp. I don't think there is a solution. Teams do need live game simulation to get ready for the season. If you just allowed teams to do more intersquad scrimmages you would just see more injuries happen during those scrimmages. No they don't. That is the point. College doesn't. NFL does not need them. They only exist because in 1960 these guys had second jobs and showed up to camp to actually get in shape. It hasn't been like that since the late 70's. It is a relic of a bygone era just like the wing-T. They are not needed. One day soon you are going to see a star refuse to play. Go ahead and say I'm crazy. But there will come a day when a star player is going to refuse to play in a game he doesn't get paid to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 13 minutes ago, Dadonkadonk said: No they don't. That is the point. College doesn't. NFL does not need them. They only exist because in 1960 these guys had second jobs and showed up to camp to actually get in shape. It hasn't been like that since the late 70's. It is a relic of a bygone era just like the wing-T. They are not needed. One day soon you are going to see a star refuse to play. Go ahead and say I'm crazy. But there will come a day when a star player is going to refuse to play in a game he doesn't get paid to play. College has a preseason, it's big teams scheduling bums early to get ready for the season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 The answer is three games, and 17 regular season games. I’d also like to see 7 playoff teams in each conference. It would increase tv revenue significantly and even though players will gripe, they will make more money as the revenue splitting. We only need 3 pre-season games to assess talent, and could have a fun season for fans. I would increase the bye to two weeks , one in the first half, and one in the second half of the season. you can’t do anything about Kyle as he could have done that week 1 in Baltimore. Players get hurt and nothing can be done about that as they have made the game about as safe as possible. Besides not the Dallas Guard, but with Kyle, he is 35. There is a reason why most lineman can’t make it into their late 30’s. They are beaten up on every play of the game. we can only hope he is ok and can make it back by week 1. Harrison Phillips can fill in for a week or two if needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Every major sport has some sort of exhibition season though. Spring training in baseball, summer league and preseason in basketball, preseason hockey, etc. Now I agree though since football carries a higher injury risk, the preseason should be cut down. One or two preseason games is enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 3 hours ago, Dadonkadonk said: No they don't. That is the point. College doesn't. NFL does not need them. They only exist because in 1960 these guys had second jobs and showed up to camp to actually get in shape. It hasn't been like that since the late 70's. It is a relic of a bygone era just like the wing-T. They are not needed. One day soon you are going to see a star refuse to play. Go ahead and say I'm crazy. But there will come a day when a star player is going to refuse to play in a game he doesn't get paid to play. College teams play division 2 teams for weeks typically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 I think they have it right, 4 games seems like a lot but everyone knows the starters really only see action in two of the games. It’s a gradual process and that’s probably the best way to get guys into game shape. The product has deteriorated enough, we don’t need the first month of the season being an extension of the offseason. 20 ACLs blown out approximately 3,000 beasts moving like bodies have never moved before. Why is that such an outrage? That rate doesn’t seem abnormally high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 9 hours ago, Dadonkadonk said: Dallas and the NFL just lost a true star player even if he is a guard. Bills may have lost their heart on defense and a team leader. It is time to end all pre-season games. Don't tell me about timing and figuring out roster spots. Week 1 of college is played at just as high level as week 4. The plays run in pre-season are not the same ones they would run or face in week 1. All teams would be equal in terms of preparation. They knew their top 45 guys after OTAs and their top 50 before the first preseason game. There is no reason to risk injury in meaningless games. If a guy gets hurt in practice so be it. Preseason games are practice. However lets play the game. If preason games get cancelled. How many teams then schedule full on scrimmages? And yes it is timing. Week one in college is essentially a joke. Typically it is a top school vs some FCS school. Now that said the NFL does want to eliminate (or reduce the number of PS games) it will just take NFLPA to agree to an 18 or higher real game schedule. 5 hours ago, Dadonkadonk said: No they don't. That is the point. College doesn't. NFL does not need them. They only exist because in 1960 these guys had second jobs and showed up to camp to actually get in shape. It hasn't been like that since the late 70's. It is a relic of a bygone era just like the wing-T. They are not needed. One day soon you are going to see a star refuse to play. Go ahead and say I'm crazy. But there will come a day when a star player is going to refuse to play in a game he doesn't get paid to play. College does. What is the spring game? What are all the scrimmages? That is their version of Preseason. Not to mention the week 1 slots of a Power 5 school vs a Division 2 school. 5 hours ago, Dadonkadonk said: No they don't. That is the point. College doesn't. NFL does not need them. They only exist because in 1960 these guys had second jobs and showed up to camp to actually get in shape. It hasn't been like that since the late 70's. It is a relic of a bygone era just like the wing-T. They are not needed. One day soon you are going to see a star refuse to play. Go ahead and say I'm crazy. But there will come a day when a star player is going to refuse to play in a game he doesn't get paid to play. And he does get paid for preseason activities. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Some guys like Chad Kelly need a preseason game or two to shine, and show what they can do under the bright lights. Conversely, his teammate and high pick- Paxton Lynch, need some games to show he can’t cut it. But i agree for the most part, have 2 preseason games and the rest of evaluations can be done through joint scrimmages and camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 I'm fine with the games but I will never understand why vets like Kyle Williams or McCoy get more than 3-4 snaps a game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jethro_tull Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 i would certainly think about shifting more playing time to guys playing to make the team and much less (if any) for the vets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eee1776 Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 I think 3 pre-season games would be enough considering no one that will probably be on the team plays in the fourth game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 9 minutes ago, zow2 said: Some guys like Chad Kelly need a preseason game or two to shine, and show what they can do under the bright lights. Conversely, his teammate and high pick- Paxton Lynch, need some games to show he can’t cut it. But i agree for the most part, have 2 preseason games and the rest of evaluations can be done through joint scrimmages and camp. Owners aren't giving up the money they make from 4 weeks of preseason football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 38 minutes ago, Commonsense said: I think they have it right, 4 games seems like a lot but everyone knows the starters really only see action in two of the games. It’s a gradual process and that’s probably the best way to get guys into game shape. This is correct. The ultimate starters hardly play, so the "4 games" is not the problem. I've said it before--it seems there are more injuries in training camp than in preseason games--or even the season itself. To me, that is evidence that most of these guys aren't arriving to camp in proper shape. How many guys tear their ACL's making cuts in practice in November? The NFL, if they are going to concede things in the next CBA, should in return demand mandatory conditioning after a month or so after the season ends, at the team facility, with the team staff. Why should a team have to pay a player who can't play because he isn't in proper shape? Someone suggested that players refuse to play in these games. If playing isn't mandatory, then it should be that players injured in practice before Week 1 don't get paid for missed games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 39 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Owners aren't giving up the money they make from 4 weeks of preseason football. ...not to mention that if it was an 18 game schedule (2 wks of pre-season), think perhaps players may want a salary adjustment?.....uh oh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...not to mention that if it was an 18 game schedule (2 wks of pre-season), think perhaps players may want a salary adjustment?.....uh oh... As I said earlier in this thread, four preseason games will be around until the current CBA expires. The players don't want more games with an additional physical toll. Edited August 19, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: As I said earlier in this thread, four preseason games will be around until current CBA expires. The players don't want more games with an additional physical toll. ...tumultuous times ahead with the CBA.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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