Chad Kelly jumps Paxton Lynch on Broncos' depth chart

[formerlyofCtown]

16 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

Why would I be excited about the depth chart ascendance of this young person with entitlement, maturity, and intellectual deficiencies? 

Your post helped me realize what your name stands for?

[26CornerBlitz]

John Elway: Broncos might look at veteran backup QB

 

The Denver Broncos made a move on their quarterback depth chart behind starter Case Keenum, promoting Chad Kelly to the No. 2, which effectively demoted Paxton Lynch.

 

The Broncos' brass might not be done shaking up the QB room.

 

General Manager John Elway told 103.5 The Fox radio station in Denver there is a chance the Broncos could add a veteran to the mix.

[Buffalo716]

On 8/14/2018 at 3:12 PM, McBean said:

Remember that time we took Nate Peterman over Chad Kelly?

 

As a big Ole Miss fan, it made me sick when we took Peterman over Kelly.

 

Chad did some stupid stuff off the field but on it he is a stud. 

 

If if it wasn’t for his injuries, he would’ve been an easy first rounder.

 

He shredded SEC defenses every Saturday for 2 years...including Alabama.

 

I like chad but his last year was disappointing... i thought he had 1st round talent going into his last year at ole miss but he wasn’t the same

 

His arm has actually gotten weaker somehow it looks. It’s not weak, but his JR year i thought he had the biggest arm in College football... doesn’t look the same... 

 

Without the problems he was probably a 3rd rounder. 

 

Came from a full spread. Not many NFL reads besides those deep seam routes he loves throwing

 

Hes got talent

Edited August 15, 2018 by Buffalo716

[billsfan89]

On 8/14/2018 at 12:06 AM, Circlethewagon8404 said:

This has another Tom Brady story written all over it.  Mr. Irrelevant becoming a starter and making the other 31 teams around the league regretting on not taking him in the draft.  I can see it now.  I hope this kid keeps the Kelly legacy alive.

 

1 good pre-season game and jumping a bust on the depth chart is a nice way to start a season but there is a long way to go before Chad becomes a starter, let alone before he is the next Tom Brady. I do agree though that the Bills should have drafted him, I would much rather have had Chad than Peterman on the roster. 

[ProcessYaDigg]

36 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

1 good pre-season game and jumping a bust on the depth chart is a nice way to start a season but there is a long way to go before Chad becomes a starter, let alone before he is the next Tom Brady. I do agree though that the Bills should have drafted him, I would much rather have had Chad than Peterman on the roster. 

 

 

On ‎8‎/‎15‎/‎2018 at 6:13 AM, Binghamton Beast said:

 

Yes, Tom Brady is exactly who comes to mind after watching Kelly play one pre-season game against third and fourth team guys.

 

 

 

Funny, but I think I saw one of those running around New Era last Thursday, in the second half, wearing a blue uniform.

Just for the record, I understand it's just one preseason game.  I did not mention that he would be the next Tom Brady.  I'm simply saying that this has the opportunity to wind up like a story such as Tom Brady.

[Richard Noggin]

17 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said:

Your post helped me realize what your name stands for?

Glad to help.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

On 8/14/2018 at 2:43 PM, H2o said:

Lynch is terrible. He was a one read guy in a Spread offense. I figured his game would not translate to the NFL and it hasn't. No surprise here.  

 

...LOL....."jumping Lynch" is like stepping over an ant hill....hardly a quantum "leap"...........

[eball]

Truthfully, I'm tired of hearing about Chad Kelly.  Means nothing to me.  It's not like he's Jim's son.  Good for him moving up to #2 on Denver's depth chart.

[GunnerBill]

15 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

Without the problems he was probably a 3rd rounder. 

 

Yea I thought he was a late 2 / early 3rd. But personality flag plus injury flag.... I understand why he ended up late. 

[row_33]

5 hours ago, eball said:

Truthfully, I'm tired of hearing about Chad Kelly.  Means nothing to me.  It's not like he's Jim's son.  Good for him moving up to #2 on Denver's depth chart.

 

Denver is usually a playoff contender the last 40 years.  This isn't the Browns.

 

 

[Soda Popinski]

I like all our 3 QBs over all 3 Denver QBs.    Keenum is pretty good, but I think our guys in the same situation would do very well too.   

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, Soda Popinski said:

I like all our 3 QBs over all 3 Denver QBs.    Keenum is pretty good, but I think our guys in the same situation would do very well too.   

 

Keenum is better than the two vets we have. If Allen pans out he will much better than all.  

[Soda Popinski]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

Keenum is better than the two vets we have. If Allen pans out he will much better than all.  

Keenum had one good season last year on a pretty talented Vikings roster with a great OC.   I don't know that he's better than McCarron yet, Peterman I'll give you but give Peterman the amount of time Keenum has had in the NFL and we'll see. 

[Chandler#81]

Does anyone else having gut-rumbling fear we may have passed on a raw but brilliant rookie QB, despite his legendary Uncle’s urging to consider him?..

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, Soda Popinski said:

Keenum had one good season last year on a pretty talented Vikings roster with a great OC.   I don't know that he's better than McCarron yet, Peterman I'll give you but give Peterman the amount of time Keenum has had in the NFL and we'll see. 

 

I've been a Keenum guy for a while. I wanted us to bring him here in that 2017 off-season if Tyrod didn't agree to take the paycut.  I always thought he was hamstrung on bad teams elsewhere and that given decent resources around him he would shine. I think he is a game manager but a premier game manager - similar to what I think about Tyrod.  I think McCarron is a kind of bang standard NFL game manager. Admittedly there is not much NFL tape on him on which to base that opinion - but what there is out there supports it.  

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

2 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

Does anyone else having gut-rumbling fear we may have passed on a raw but brilliant rookie QB, despite his legendary Uncle’s urging to consider him?..

 

...who does Montana's nephew play for?..............

[Guest K-GunJimKelly12]

24 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

Does anyone else having gut-rumbling fear we may have passed on a raw but brilliant rookie QB, despite his legendary Uncle’s urging to consider him?..

Yes.  I watched a lot of Kelly at Ole Miss and to me it just looked liked he had it.  I was beating the drum for Kelly a couple years ago in his prospect thread but other people wouldn't hear it.  He gets the ball out, is pretty athletic and has a nice arm.   His arm isn't Allen's but I think it is comparable to his uncle's in terms of strength and at least in college, he threw that classic rainbow deep ball the Jimbo used to throw. 

 

I know Chad doesn't seem like the brightest guy, but Jimbo was no genius.  That said, I think Chad is a lot like Jimbo in the sense that despite them both coming off as a bit meat headed (at least in Jimbo's playing days), on the football field they are both naturals and just know how to move an offense.  Jimbo was able to run the K-Gun and call his own plays and I see that in some of that awareness in Chad.  Having that football awareness at the QB position is extremely valuable.  I could see Chad being a decent starter in this league.

Edited August 16, 2018 by K-GunJimKelly12

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Watching the Broncos vs Bears. Keenum isn't looking good. He is over throwing passes getting penalties to keep drives alive, whereas Chad Kelly is ripping the ball right in there leading a scoring drive with ease.

 

If this continues I can see Kelly taking over midseason.

 

 

Edited August 20, 2018 by Buffalo Barbarian

[cd1]

On 8/16/2018 at 12:31 PM, Chandler#81 said:

Does anyone else having gut-rumbling fear we may have passed on a raw but brilliant rookie QB, despite his legendary Uncle’s urging to consider him?..

 

Absolutely NOT!

[thenorthremembers]

On 8/16/2018 at 12:55 PM, K-GunJimKelly12 said:

Yes.  I watched a lot of Kelly at Ole Miss and to me it just looked liked he had it.  I was beating the drum for Kelly a couple years ago in his prospect thread but other people wouldn't hear it.  He gets the ball out, is pretty athletic and has a nice arm.   His arm isn't Allen's but I think it is comparable to his uncle's in terms of strength and at least in college, he threw that classic rainbow deep ball the Jimbo used to throw. 

 

I know Chad doesn't seem like the brightest guy, but Jimbo was no genius.  That said, I think Chad is a lot like Jimbo in the sense that despite them both coming off as a bit meat headed (at least in Jimbo's playing days), on the football field they are both naturals and just know how to move an offense.  Jimbo was able to run the K-Gun and call his own plays and I see that in some of that awareness in Chad.  Having that football awareness at the QB position is extremely valuable.  I could see Chad being a decent starter in this league.

Felt the same way going into the 17' draft.  Regardless of who his Uncle is, Kelly had a lot of good things going for him.  Always felt he was a better prospect than guys like Peterman, Dobbs, Beathard, Kaaya etc.  I even liked him more than Mahomes who I thought was an absolute tire fire mechanics wise.

 

What hurt Kelly was the injuries on top of shady character history.  Those two things together, plus the fact he was admittedly overweight heading into the draft may have shown a lack of discipline.

 

With all that said, he seems to have turned a corner maturity wise.  He was a speaker at Kelly's Camp this year and did an incredible job at being humble and admitting he was a good example of how not to be as a person and player.  Wish him the best of luck as a player, but more than anything as a person because his story will inspire a lot of young guys.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

On 8/16/2018 at 12:31 PM, Chandler#81 said:

Does anyone else having gut-rumbling fear we may have passed on a raw but brilliant rookie QB, despite his legendary Uncle’s urging to consider him?..

 

I'm glad we have Allen now as he reminds of a bigger stronger Chad, which is saying a lot considering Chad has a great arm. He also was very mobile last night and had great command of the offense, looked better than Case.

 

Paxton Lynch is a disaster, Broncos wouldn't get anything for him in a trade.

 

 

[C.Biscuit97]

Settle down

[BADOLBILZ]

On 8/14/2018 at 8:10 AM, GunnerBill said:

 

I still refuse to buy the argument that the better pick than taking Shaq was to take Paxton Lynch. If someone wants to make the argument that they should have taken Myles Jack I am not going to take issue with them... there are other guys who went later (including Deion Jones who had I a 1st round grade on) who would have been better selections too. But to take Paxton Lynch just because he was a Quarterback when there were so many freaking red flags about his ability to play in the league.... no. I just can't take that argument. I am all for picking Quarterbacks in the first round, early and often until you find one.  But some years you have to look at those who are there at your pick and just say "no, they're horrible." 

 

Are you that desperate to justify why you had Shaq as one of the top 10 players in that draft.?

 

Picking the top rated QB on your board is about policy...........a policy of using that pick on the only position that really matters in the big picture.

 

Yeah you get your share of Paxton Lynch's........and sure some of your "other 21 positions" picks would be studs.......but even if you draft an all pro like Dareus or a stud WR like Watkins those positions just don't necessarily pay off for you long term unless you have a QB.

 

You don't need to "buy" any argument about that..........bottom line is that until they finally bit the bullet on Allen all they had to show for 17 years of first rounders was your boy Shaq and my boy Tre White.  

 

So basically one good player to show for 17 years of typically drafting in the top third of round one.

 

As arguments go.......no purchase necessary bro.........SCOREBOARD.  

 

The numbers are overwhelmingly in favor of hyper-prioritizing the drafting of QB's..........even at the expense of missing out on a Shaq type player.?

[thebandit27]

8 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Are you that desperate to justify why you had Shaq as one of the top 10 players in that draft.?

 

Picking the top rated QB on your board is about policy...........a policy of using that pick on the only position that really matters in the big picture.

 

Yeah you get your share of Paxton Lynch's........and sure some of your "other 21 positions" picks would be studs.......but even if you draft an all pro like Dareus or a stud WR like Watkins those positions just don't necessarily pay off for you long term unless you have a QB.

 

You don't need to "buy" any argument about that..........bottom line is that until they finally bit the bullet on Allen all they had to show for 17 years of first rounders was your boy Shaq and my boy Tre White.  

 

So basically one good player to show for 17 years of typically drafting in the top third of round one.

 

As arguments go.......no purchase necessary bro.........SCOREBOARD.  

 

The numbers are overwhelmingly in favor of hyper-prioritizing the drafting of QB's..........even at the expense of missing out on a Shaq type player.?

 

I fall between you and Gunner on the QB debate.

 

I am closer to where you fall in that I believe QB should always be the choice with the caveat that you have to have at least some measure of belief that the guy will become a franchise QB.  I don't care if it's a 10% chance; that's enough for me.

 

With Lynch, I simply couldn't see it.  At all.  I understand you feel differently, but if I truly can't see it in any way/shape/form, I wouldn't take the guy.  (and as you know, I'm on record that my pick in 2016 would've been Myles Jack all day long).

 

Of course, if you're a team that's desperate, like the Bills were in 2013, then the pendulum swings back toward QB-or-bust, which is why I agreed with the EJ pick.

 

How's that for non-committal?

[GunnerBill]

14 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Are you that desperate to justify why you had Shaq as one of the top 10 players in that draft.?

 

Picking the top rated QB on your board is about policy...........a policy of using that pick on the only position that really matters in the big picture.

 

Yeah you get your share of Paxton Lynch's........and sure some of your "other 21 positions" picks would be studs.......but even if you draft an all pro like Dareus or a stud WR like Watkins those positions just don't necessarily pay off for you long term unless you have a QB.

 

You don't need to "buy" any argument about that..........bottom line is that until they finally bit the bullet on Allen all they had to show for 17 years of first rounders was your boy Shaq and my boy Tre White.  

 

So basically one good player to show for 17 years of typically drafting in the top third of round one.

 

As arguments go.......no purchase necessary bro.........SCOREBOARD.  

 

The numbers are overwhelmingly in favor of hyper-prioritizing the drafting of QB's..........even at the expense of missing out on a Shaq type player.?

 

I have accepted I was wrong on Shaq... and I loved Tre White too for what it is worth. 

 

My point is not to dispute the taking a QB strategy. The point is to dispute taking Paxton Lynch. He sucked. He was an obvious failure. My 3rd and 4th QBs that year were Cook (failure) and Precott (hit). I could have understood either of them even if the consensus was reach. I just knew the consensus was wrong on Lynch. You can say I didn't know or I was arrogant if you like but I knew he was a bust. And he has been a bust. It wasn't rocket science. He wasn't that good in college. He is the same player now. 

1 minute ago, thebandit27 said:

 

I fall between you and Gunner on the QB debate.

 

I am closer to where you fall in that I believe QB should always be the choice with the caveat that you have to have at least some measure of belief that the guy will become a franchise QB.  I don't care if it's a 10% chance; that's enough for me.

 

With Lynch, I simply couldn't see it.  At all.  I understand you feel differently, but if I truly can't see it in any way/shape/form, I wouldn't take the guy.  (and as you know, I'm on record that my pick in 2016 would've been Myles Jack all day long).

 

Of course, if you're a team that's desperate, like the Bills were in 2013, then the pendulum swings back toward QB-or-bust, which is why I agreed with the EJ pick.

 

How's that for non-committal?

 

You are not between us. That is EXACTLY where I am. I think Badol's strategy is right. I would just never, ever have picked Lynch. He sucks and always did. And Jack was the top player on my board too. Though I did like Shaq a lot and am happy to own that pick. I don't hide from my mistakes. 

Edited August 20, 2018 by GunnerBill

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

On 8/16/2018 at 12:31 PM, Chandler#81 said:

Does anyone else having gut-rumbling fear we may have passed on a raw but brilliant rookie QB, despite his legendary Uncle’s urging to consider him?..

 

Paxton Lynch? 

 

Kidding- I don’t know why he sux so Bad. 

 

Kelly? We’ll see.  I’m really hoping the qb thing is solved now. 

 

Edited August 20, 2018 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[26CornerBlitz]

The word is that the Broncos have called the Jets to inquire about the availability of Teddy Bridgewater. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

6 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

The word is that the Broncos have called the Jets to inquire about the availability of Teddy Bridgewater. 

 

...the tariff should be interesting..........Lynch for Teddy straight up.....

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...the tariff should be interesting..........Lynch for Teddy straight up.....

 

NFW the Jets take Lynch.   He's worthless.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

NFW the Jets take Lynch.   He's worthless.

 

LOL...his aim is worse than LaCanfora........NOT one of Elway's finer moments....yet he's STILL there....

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

LOL...his aim is worse than LaCanfora........NOT one of Elway's finer moments....yet he's STILL there....

 

Yep. Definitely a whiff. 

[BADOLBILZ]

4 hours ago, thebandit27 said:

 

I fall between you and Gunner on the QB debate.

 

I am closer to where you fall in that I believe QB should always be the choice with the caveat that you have to have at least some measure of belief that the guy will become a franchise QB.  I don't care if it's a 10% chance; that's enough for me.

 

With Lynch, I simply couldn't see it.  At all.  I understand you feel differently, but if I truly can't see it in any way/shape/form, I wouldn't take the guy.  (and as you know, I'm on record that my pick in 2016 would've been Myles Jack all day long).

 

Of course, if you're a team that's desperate, like the Bills were in 2013, then the pendulum swings back toward QB-or-bust, which is why I agreed with the EJ pick.

 

How's that for non-committal?

 

I wasn't personally selling the virtues of Lynch as a franchise QB here on TSW......just the idea of taking shots at QB. 

 

That narrative was created to counter my real-time dogging of the Shaq selection and apparently too-spot-on analysis of his limitations.?

 

If they would have taken Lynch I'd have strongly supported the attempt to resolve the only personnel problem that is hard to resolve and the only personnel problem that really matters in the grand scheme.

 

The guy that I "projected" would be the bpa at a premium position when the Bills were up was William Jackson.

 

He hasn't broken out yet but his ceiling is high and he's getting legit buzz as a breakout player so we'll see.

 

But none of us thought Jack was going to be there........like many I was also all over that when he slipped.

 

Let's face it though......it was not a great draft and that is EXACTLY when you take shots at high risk/high reward guys..........there simply wasn't much to lose by taking chances there and the teams that "won" that draft did EXACTLY that.

 

I mean people act like John Elway missed out on a bunch of HOF'ers taking a shot on Lynch......even though the next round was almost entirely populated with players who have become JAGs or less.

 

The Bills did their part to become a victim of that draft.........drafting for need from a pool of mediocrity is just asking for it.

[MAJBobby]

On 8/16/2018 at 11:31 AM, Chandler#81 said:

Does anyone else having gut-rumbling fear we may have passed on a raw but brilliant rookie QB, despite his legendary Uncle’s urging to consider him?..

 

Nope

[Bill from NYC]

15 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Are you that desperate to justify why you had Shaq as one of the top 10 players in that draft.?

 

Picking the top rated QB on your board is about policy...........a policy of using that pick on the only position that really matters in the big picture.

 

Yeah you get your share of Paxton Lynch's........and sure some of your "other 21 positions" picks would be studs.......but even if you draft an all pro like Dareus or a stud WR like Watkins those positions just don't necessarily pay off for you long term unless you have a QB.

 

You don't need to "buy" any argument about that..........bottom line is that until they finally bit the bullet on Allen all they had to show for 17 years of first rounders was your boy Shaq and my boy Tre White.  

 

So basically one good player to show for 17 years of typically drafting in the top third of round one.

 

As arguments go.......no purchase necessary bro.........SCOREBOARD.  

 

The numbers are overwhelmingly in favor of hyper-prioritizing the drafting of QB's..........even at the expense of missing out on a Shaq type player.?

^^^^^^^

Beyond dispute imo.

[Mr. WEO]

On ‎8‎/‎16‎/‎2018 at 12:31 PM, Chandler#81 said:

Does anyone else having gut-rumbling fear we may have passed on a raw but brilliant rookie QB, despite his legendary Uncle’s urging to consider him?..

 

 

Nope.

 

He's made it to his ceiling.

[Royale with Cheese]

14 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

The word is that the Broncos have called the Jets to inquire about the availability of Teddy Bridgewater. 

 

https://broncoswire.usatoday.com/2018/08/20/will-denver-broncos-trade-for-teddy-bridgewater/

 

Edited August 21, 2018 by Royale with Cheese

[BADOLBILZ]

21 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I have accepted I was wrong on Shaq... and I loved Tre White too for what it is worth. 

 

My point is not to dispute the taking a QB strategy. The point is to dispute taking Paxton Lynch. He sucked. He was an obvious failure. My 3rd and 4th QBs that year were Cook (failure) and Precott (hit). I could have understood either of them even if the consensus was reach. I just knew the consensus was wrong on Lynch. You can say I didn't know or I was arrogant if you like but I knew he was a bust. And he has been a bust. It wasn't rocket science. He wasn't that good in college. He is the same player now. 

 

You are not between us. That is EXACTLY where I am. I think Badol's strategy is right. I would just never, ever have picked Lynch. He sucks and always did. And Jack was the top player on my board too. Though I did like Shaq a lot and am happy to own that pick. I don't hide from my mistakes. 

 

 

Yeah I'm just bustin your balls because you brought the subject back up.    The thing is a lot of people in NFL personnel departments liked both Shaq and Lynch enough that neither would have made it far into the second round.  They were both projections based on hope rather than what they'd proven on tape...... in a weaker draft.   It's just that Lynch was a very raw unknown with top end physical traits at the most important position in pro sports and the other was merely a complementary talent at a position where you ideally want two #1 quality players because it's THAT important.    To me........that kind of draft is the ideal time to be taking shots on high ceilings because there isn't that much to lose in a weak draft.   The Bills played not to lose in that draft and subsequently failed to win.  

Edited August 21, 2018 by BADOLBILZ

[Bing Bong]

I'm a Keenum fan and really have little connection with Chad. He's the son of an athlete I like..

[co_springs_billsfan]

On the local radio yesterday the host was saying Chad Kelly won't amount to anything because he was a 7th round pick.  Then he said "There's only one Tom Brady.  There's only one Kurt Warner."
I really wanted to call in and point out that Case Keenum was undrafted.
Just seems like a really weak, lazy argument.

I'm not arguing Chad Kelly will ever have a better moment in his professional career than becoming 2nd string for the Broncos, but it's entirely in the realm of possibility that he ascendancy could continue...

[JESSEFEFFER]

Prior to Ol' Miss there was lots of trouble.  Once he got there, I think Hugh Freeze got to him in a good way.  The stuff after was minor, imo.  Seeking to protect his brother in a HS game melee, messaging a porn star, being at a dorm room poker party with marijuana is the extent of it as far as I remember.  The 5 month timeline of knee injury --> surgery --> no Senior Bowl -->Combine invite rescinded--> Pro Day wrist injury --> wrist surgery was a train ride of bad news that ended with becoming Mr. Irrelevant.  Since then he's done everything he needed to do.   Getting that title may have helped the turnaround.  I think John Elway went dumpster diving and may have found something of extreme value to his franchise. 

 

He's got top echelon arm talent, both strength (210+ ft throw at pp&k as a 15 yr old which is still their record ) and accuracy; a decisive, play making style; and a fear none attitude that mixes well with having more athleticism that what his uncle had.  That package can work well for him.  He may have finally matured beyond his high strung temper and disrespectful attitude toward anyone that challenges him.  Maybe he has figured out that an attitude like that is a losing one that is bound to wreck his future.  Authority always wins so there is no use fighting it.  Chad Kelly is writing his own redemption story and one can be skeptical of it, but also should acknowledge that it might be taking place.  

 

If you know the Dirty Dozen, I think he is way more like Victor Franko than AJ Maggot which makes me think he could be a good team leader in the NFL if he is within the right structure.  I doubt that he has reached his ceiling.