Bills trade with Browns for Corey Coleman

[billspro]

2 minutes ago, JimKellyTryouts said:

Rapoport is saying it's a "late round pick" so probably 5-7, maybe a 6th that could become 5th based on playing time?

 

You won't find a higher upside player in those rounds, I have no problem buying low on a guy.  

3 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said:

I wouldn't use their fanbase as a gauge 

 

Hopefully, it is another Jordan Poyer situation. 

[YoloinOhio]

2 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

 

What’s to consider? They watch their team far more than we do. They should probably know who on their team sucks.

They think everyone sucks except the guys Dorsey has brought in. There, saved you some time reading the board. No different from any other fan base after 1-31. They want to start over. 

 

Consider our board after the niners signed Goodwin. No different. 

Edited August 6, 2018 by YoloinOhio

[brianthomas]

4 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

 

I looked it up, broke his hand a few times. The general consensus I keep seeing is he can’t catch.

Given how the Browns havent had a good QB in years, i suppose its possible some of those drops were due to bad ball placement.

Looking at their receiving stats from last year, most of the receivers had a 50% drop/catch rate. So theres that

[Putin]

1 hour ago, JaCrispy said:

I don’t know much about this guy, but forgive me for being a little hesitant to get excited about a guy who was the Browns first round pick last year and they are already getting rid of him...so I guess my next question would be, what didn’t they like?

Maybe the new  QB ?

[Bookie Man]

1 hour ago, PIZ said:

Didn't we want him in the draft?

 

 

Catch or no catch at 2:25? Wonder why he felt he had to lay out for that.

Edited August 6, 2018 by Rise Up Lights
wrote in the quote.

[Boatdrinks]

6 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

Goodwin's main issue was always health in my opinion. Goodwin always looked like a great explosive big play type player when he played, it just seemed like he was always getting hurt. 

Nope. His main issue was not deciding he wanted to be an NFL player until his “ Olympic training money” from the Bills was close to running out. 

[SCBills]

4 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

The fanbase of the team he came from are the fans that watch the player the most. It's not the be all end all but just because the Browns organization sucks doesn't mean that the fans are clueless as to what they are watching. 

Some fans are against it, some were hoping for a better return and some think it’s just time to move on.  

 

Then theres the fan who feels bad for Coleman because “he just got traded (from the Browns) to the worst team in football...”

Edited August 6, 2018 by SCBills

[billsfan89]

Just now, Boatdrinks said:

Nope. His main issue was not deciding he wanted to be an NFL player until his “ Olympic training money” from the Bills was close to running out. 

 

Goodwin missed nearly all of 2015 and in 2014 was dealing with literally 4 different injuries. He was also banged up a big in 2016 playing through several injuries. Goodwin always put in the effort and was by all accounts a good teammate. He just was a smaller guy that got unlucky was some injuries early on in his career. He wasn't phoning it in on those lucrative 3rd round pick contracts. The dude wasn't cashing in on some fat deal and then turned it on when he left the team. I think you are crafting this narrative that just doesn't exist. 

[reddogblitz]

5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

They think everyone sucks except the guys Dorsey has brought in. There, saved you some time reading the board. No different from any other fan base after 1-31. They want to start over. 

 

Consider our board after the niners signed Goodwin. No different. 

 

they're probably like Bills fans. Like Sammy and Woods sucked.

[billsfan89]

4 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Some fans are against it, some were hoping for a better return and some think it’s just time to move on.  

 

Then theres the fan who feels bad for Coleman because “he just got traded (from the Browns) to the worst team in football...”

 

That's rich, although I will say that Coleman is going to a worse offense on paper but the Bills organization is a better one than the Browns. 

[reddogblitz]

2 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

That's rich, although I will say that Coleman is going to a worse offense on paper but the Bills organization is a better one than the Browns. 

 

Will be interesting to see if he has a better QB or not.

[billsfan89]

6 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Some fans are against it, some were hoping for a better return and some think it’s just time to move on.  

 

Then theres the fan who feels bad for Coleman because “he just got traded (from the Browns) to the worst team in football...”

 

I am assuming the Browns got a 5th rounder although it could be lower, that's honestly a decent return for a player that is likely a bust. The Bills are taking a chance on a player that might benefit from a change in scenery. The Bills desperation at WR makes me like the move. Coleman is a better pro-prospect than almost any player they would have been able to get late in the draft. It's a low risk high reward move for the Bills and a nice salvaging of value for the Browns. 

[Bills Pimpin']

Daboll wants to use KB, 6'5" 245", as his new Gronk, 6'6" 265". With Coleman on the outside he can try to match KB up on a safety or a LB so he can use his size. We have all seen KB can't separate from a corner. The offense seems to be taking shape and it's going to look similar to NE.

[Boatdrinks]

2 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

Goodwin missed nearly all of 2015 and in 2014 was dealing with literally 4 different injuries. He was also banged up a big in 2016 playing through several injuries. Goodwin always put in the effort and was by all accounts a good teammate. He just was a smaller guy that got unlucky was some injuries early on in his career. He wasn't phoning it in on those lucrative 3rd round pick contracts. The dude wasn't cashing in on some fat deal and then turned it on when he left the team. I think you are crafting this narrative that just doesn't exist. 

Sorry, not a Goodwin fan. I’ll agree to disagree here. While he didn’t get a boffo deal with where he was picked, it was certainly enough to fund his devotion to his hobby. Running track. Time went on then s**t got real. Too bad he didn’t care much when he was in BUF. I’m not the only one who thinks this about MG. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Then again, the Browns' brain trust (I know, an oxymoron if ever there was one) might have figured why keep Coleman, who would be 30-40 yards open downfield yelling "I'M OPEN!!!" when Tyrod will pull the ball back in and run for 7 yards up the sideline.

[JimKellyTryouts]

5 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

they're probably like Bills fans. Like Sammy and Woods sucked.

 

Sammy was the GOAT during our preseason, but yeah, my opinion on Woods dwindled as he spent more time with us - I thought he was decent at lots of things, not great at any

[Kelly the Dog]

I'm with most everyone. It was a huge need. He's got speed and talent. Didn't give away anything. We're better there than we were yesterday. I'm not expecting a huge breakthrough, especially with a Baylor guy and the fact the Browns just gave him away, but I'm happy with it. I think we keep six WR and maybe seven if McCloud is the 7th and a KR and/or PR as well as gadget guy out of the backfield. 

[billsfan89]

Just now, reddogblitz said:

 

Will be interesting to see if he has a better QB or not.

 

On paper, I would take Tyrod over AJ. That's not to say that "On Paper" means much. AJ to me is a game manager, kind of was in college and looked to be that type of player in limited action with the Bengals. Tyrod is a game manager but with a cannon arm and the ability to make plays with his legs that AJ simply can't make. I honestly expect all the same complaints that this board had with Tyrod (captain check down type stuff) when AJ takes the field. That's not to say that the Bills can't win with a conservative QB but I don't expect the huge uptick in QB production because the anti-Christ of QB's Tyrod isn't here. 

[SCBills]

12 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

That's rich, although I will say that Coleman is going to a worse offense on paper but the Bills organization is a better one than the Browns. 

I’m low key optimistic about our offense tbh.  

 

Obviously we have to see who the QB is and how the OL performs, but KB-Coleman-Kerley-Clay-McCoy-Ivory have some legit potential. 

 

Throw in any development from O’Leary and Zay and we could be onto something. 

Edited August 6, 2018 by SCBills

[YoloinOhio]

9 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

they're probably like Bills fans. Like Sammy and Woods sucked.

Coleman wasn’t as good as either one of those guys but I think most of it stemmed from where he was drafted... 15th overall is going to come with big expectations that he didn’t fulfill, for a variety of reasons. 

[KingBoots8]

Gonna echo just about everyone else- it’s a shot in the arm of arguably our weakest position. Guy has upside and we didn’t have to trade much to get him. He’s low cost and if he looks good we can add that 5th year on. This is a win for the Bills, and yet another great move by Beane.

[Domdab99]

doesn't have to have the whole rout tree, he just needs two plays:

 

1) throw it to him in the flat in space and let him run. He should be a YAC monster. 

2) Burn it deep. 

[billspro]

5 minutes ago, Bills Pimpin' said:

Daboll wants to use KB, 6'5" 245", as his new Gronk, 6'6" 265". With Coleman on the outside he can try to match KB up on a safety or a LB so he can use his size. We have all seen KB can't separate from a corner. The offense seems to be taking shape and it's going to look similar to NE.

 

I can envision that happening. I think KB will be an absolute monster in the slot. Coleman could have a similar role that Cooks had last season. 

[greenyellowred]

Over at the NFL forums, they are saying Cleveland is making room for Dez Bryant or Terrell Owens to fill the number two spot, since Josh Gordon may not be ready.

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000945164/comments/browns-trade-corey-coleman-to-bills-for-draft-pick

[billsfan89]

4 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Sorry, not a Goodwin fan. I’ll agree to disagree here. While he didn’t get a boffo deal with where he was picked, it was certainly enough to fund his devotion to his hobby. Running track. Time went on then s**t got real. Too bad he didn’t care much when he was in BUF. I’m not the only one who thinks this about MG. 

 

I could be wrong but I never heard of Goodwin not putting in 100% or any other stories of him being a ****ty teammate while he was in Buffalo, I think you are projecting a lot that just isn't there because he played a lot better as soon as he left Buffalo. It honestly isn't a coincidence that his first healthy season was his first breakout season. Goodwin missed. 26 games of action in his first 4 years in Buffalo and was consistently battling a lot of different types of injuries. I could be wrong but I never heard any reports of Goodwin not being a model citizen. Sometimes timing and luck just doesn't work out. 

[billspro]

3 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

I'm with most everyone. It was a huge need. He's got speed and talent. Didn't give away anything. We're better there than we were yesterday. I'm not expecting a huge breakthrough, especially with a Baylor guy and the fact the Browns just gave him away, but I'm happy with it. I think we keep six WR and maybe seven if McCloud is the 7th and a KR and/or PR as well as gadget guy out of the backfield. 

 

I think the Bills keep 5 WRs and go heavier on RB and TE positions. 

[billsfan89]

Just now, greenyellowred said:

Over at the NFL forums, they are saying Cleveland is making room for Dez Bryant or Terrell Owens to fill the number two spot, since Josh Gordon may not be ready.

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000945164/comments/browns-trade-corey-coleman-to-bills-for-draft-pick

 

Calloway is likely the player they want to pave more playing time for. If Gordon isn't ready I think they could go vet WR but it wouldn't be a distraction like Dez or TO. 

[boyst]

I wanted this guy pretty bad.

 

More than Jones or Watkins or others. Hope he flourishes. 

[billspro]

5 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

On paper, I would take Tyrod over AJ. That's not to say that "On Paper" means much. AJ to me is a game manager, kind of was in college and looked to be that type of player in limited action with the Bengals. Tyrod is a game manager but with a cannon arm and the ability to make plays with his legs that AJ simply can't make. I honestly expect all the same complaints that this board had with Tyrod (captain check down type stuff) when AJ takes the field. That's not to say that the Bills can't win with a conservative QB but I don't expect the huge uptick in QB production because the anti-Christ of QB's Tyrod isn't here. 

 

Aj does not have this job locked up. If Allen plays well against Carolina he will get the first team reps the following week. I'm reading between the lines of the press conferences but I believe that is the plan. 

[Boatdrinks]

2 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

I could be wrong but I never heard of Goodwin not putting in 100% or any other stories of him being a ****ty teammate while he was in Buffalo, I think you are projecting a lot that just isn't there because he played a lot better as soon as he left Buffalo. It honestly isn't a coincidence that his first healthy season was his first breakout season. Goodwin missed. 26 games of action in his first 4 years in Buffalo and was consistently battling a lot of different types of injuries. I could be wrong but I never heard any reports of Goodwin not being a model citizen. Sometimes timing and luck just doesn't work out. 

He was training for the wrong sport. Not a coincidence he was suddenly healthy. 

[MrEpsYtown]

I love this trade. Dude is a great fit opposite KB. 

[YoloinOhio]

5 minutes ago, greenyellowred said:

Over at the NFL forums, they are saying Cleveland is making room for Dez Bryant or Terrell Owens to fill the number two spot, since Josh Gordon may not be ready.

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000945164/comments/browns-trade-corey-coleman-to-bills-for-draft-pick

Terrell Owens?

[KennyDavisEyes]

Is it just me, or is this Warren Sharp dude one of the current top dbags in existence?

[reddogblitz]

8 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

That's not to say that the Bills can't win with a conservative QB

 

like we did last year?

 

that's the process. Protect the football. Play a tenacious opportunistic D.

 

i expect much of the same this year whoever is under center.

[brianthomas]

Just now, KennyDavisEyes said:

Is it just me, or is this Warren Sharp dude one of the current top dbags in existence?

No its not just you. Checking his twitter a lot of people think the same thing. Its like he has something personal against the BIlls.. Maybe he's like that with everyone, but he's largely irrelevant to me at this point

[Boatdrinks]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

Terrell Owens?

Guy thinks he can still play. He’s talking about the CFL then NFL so why not the Browns. Looking at him I’d be inclined to think he can. 

[Kelly the Dog]

3 minutes ago, billspro said:

 

I think the Bills keep 5 WRs and go heavier on RB and TE positions. 

Depends on most all other positions. I think they keep two QBs so may take an extra WR. We have no idea who will be KR or PR. If they want Taiwan Jones to be KR we keep an extra RB. If we want a big safety to play a few downs we keep maybe 5 instead of 4. If they don't keep Holmes at WR they need a gunner on ST. My guess is no better than yours and you may be right. I just think the number of WR has to do as much with other positions as it does the talent at WR. Only 4-5 are going to dress. I think McCloud is the PR and will be used as a RB sometimes so he will be the last WR but dress, so they keep at least six. 

[KennyDavisEyes]

1 minute ago, brianthomas said:

No its not just you. Checking his twitter a lot of people think the same thing. Its like he has something personal against the BIlls.. Maybe he's like that with everyone, but he's largely irrelevant to me at this point

 

Yeah I mean the guy is all over WGR proudly shouting out how he bet 6K against the Bills o/u win total this year all while Schopp slobers all over him like he’s some kind of genius and I’ve never heard of the guy. 

 

Cracks me up. Can’t wait to fill his inbox as our win total grows this season.

[reddogblitz]

4 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Guy thinks he can still play. He’s talking about the CFL then NFL so why not the Browns. Looking at him I’d be inclined to think he can. 

 

i thought when he wasn't going to Canton it was because he was going to be in camp somewhere.

 

I'd give him a try out.

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, dgrochester55 said:

I like the move assuming we didn't overpay.  We had Benjamin as the only starter caliber receiver and Kerley who was better suited as a 3 or 4.  After that, there was too many ifs and and buts at the position.    Hopefully Coleman can realize his potential here.

A late round pick surely doesnt sound like overpaying...