racketmaster Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Interesting that Ben McAdoo and Pat Shermur had Allen as their #1 qb from this year’s draft. McAdoo studied this year’s crop of qbs and ranked as follows: 1. Allen 2. Jackson 3. Darnold 4. Rosen 5. Rudolph 6. Mayfield https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2018/07/13/ben-mcadoo-doesnt-like-the-way-sam-darnold-throws-the-football/amp/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Ben McAdoo is a moron. We’re in trouble 5 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 1 minute ago, racketmaster said: Interesting that Ben McAdoo and Pat Shermur had Allen as their #1 qb from this year’s draft. McAdoo studied this year’s crop of qbs and ranked as follows: 1. Allen 2. Jackson 3. Darnold 4. Rosen 5. Rudolph 6. Mayfield https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2018/07/13/ben-mcadoo-doesnt-like-the-way-sam-darnold-throws-the-football/amp/ I wish McAdoo was here as OC, he find a job yet? It won’t be long. Just now, Seanbillsfan2206 said: Ben McAdoo is a moron. We’re in trouble He isn’t HC material but I think he is one of the better young offensive minded coaches out there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said: Ben McAdoo is a moron. We’re in trouble He was a good coordinator. He just can't run a team. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racketmaster Posted July 13, 2018 Author Share Posted July 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said: Ben McAdoo is a moron. We’re in trouble Pat Shermur is said to have Allen number 1 as well. Also, Steve Fairchild ranked Allen his #1 qb. It is encouraging that NFL offensive coordinators thought Allen was the top qb. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 (edited) I can tell you for sure Mayfield is NOT the 6th rated QB Behind Rudolph??? Now, I am worried Edited July 13, 2018 by THE SLAMMER 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fr. Jerk Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 McAdoo has him at no1. Now I'm sold. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 6 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: He was a good coordinator. He just can't run a team. 5 minutes ago, racketmaster said: Pat Shermur is said to have Allen number 1 as well. Also, Steve Fairchild ranked Allen his #1 qb. It is encouraging that NFL offensive coordinators thought Allen was the top qb. He benched Eli Manning for Geno Smith. That’s all I need to know 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Just now, Seanbillsfan2206 said: He benched Eli Manning for Geno Smith. That’s all I need to know And that's a terrible HC move which he was terrible at. He was a good coordinator. He improved the offense after taking over for Gilbride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice_32 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 29 minutes ago, racketmaster said: Interesting that Ben McAdoo and Pat Shermur had Allen as their #1 qb from this year’s draft. McAdoo studied this year’s crop of qbs and ranked as follows: 1. Allen 2. Jackson 3. Darnold 4. Rosen 5. Rudolph 6. Mayfield https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2018/07/13/ben-mcadoo-doesnt-like-the-way-sam-darnold-throws-the-football/amp/ This is the first report I've seen about Allen that makes me worry. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 These do not mean anything at all. The fact that we need constant reaffirmation that Allen can be good says more about where we are at tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDS73 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Endorsements from TWO failed head coaches?! Gee, I can hardly contain my excitement now... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 38 minutes ago, racketmaster said: Interesting that Ben McAdoo and Pat Shermur had Allen as their #1 qb from this year’s draft. McAdoo studied this year’s crop of qbs and ranked as follows: 1. Allen 2. Jackson 3. Darnold 4. Rosen 5. Rudolph 6. Mayfield https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2018/07/13/ben-mcadoo-doesnt-like-the-way-sam-darnold-throws-the-football/amp/ He had Jackson #2??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 43 minutes ago, racketmaster said: Interesting that Ben McAdoo and Pat Shermur had Allen as their #1 qb from this year’s draft. McAdoo studied this year’s crop of qbs and ranked as follows: 1. Allen 2. Jackson 3. Darnold 4. Rosen 5. Rudolph 6. Mayfield https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2018/07/13/ben-mcadoo-doesnt-like-the-way-sam-darnold-throws-the-football/amp/ The story hasn't changed. Some smart NFL folks love Allen. Other smart folks think he's a wasted pick. We'll know when we know. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fr. Jerk Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 1 minute ago, hondo in seattle said: We'll know when we know. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 14 minutes ago, Elite Poster said: These do not mean anything at all. The fact that we need constant reaffirmation that Allen can be good says more about where we are at tbh. Who is "we" need affirmation, the fans, who gives a darn. Now if OBD need affirmation, well yes then we are in big big trouble. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said: And that's a terrible HC move which he was terrible at. He was a good coordinator. He improved the offense after taking over for Gilbride. But wouldn't a good OC know that replacing Manning with Geno is a dumb move? I would think anyone associated with football would know replacing Manning with Geno Smith is a dumb move..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Of all the QBs I had on my board, Allen was one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce_Stools Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said: And that's a terrible HC move which he was terrible at. He was a good coordinator. He improved the offense after taking over for Gilbride. Maybe that’s a similar case to pulling Tyrod mid season. And I for one, was totally behind the benching of Tyrod, regardless of who was 2nd string. When a guy needs to be pulled, so be it. I haven’t paid much attention to the Giants other than hating on Odell any chance I get. Eli over Geno every time.......unless Eli needs to be benched, like some starters occasionally do. Was the benching warranted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Bruce_Stools said: Maybe that’s a similar case to pulling Tyrod mid season. And I for one, was totally behind the benching of Tyrod, regardless of who was 2nd string. When a guy needs to be pulled, so be it. I haven’t paid much attention to the Giants other than hating on Odell any chance I get. Eli over Geno every time.......unless Eli needs to be benched, like some starters occasionally do. Was the benching warranted? From my understanding, the Giants were 2-9 and the season was over. They weren't going anywhere with Manning (I guess they felt at the time) so they wanted to see what they had in Davis and Smith. Davis, I can understand since he was drafted just the year before. Never understood playing Smith.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce_Stools Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 21 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: But wouldn't a good OC know that replacing Manning with Geno is a dumb move? I would think anyone associated with football would know replacing Manning with Geno Smith is a dumb move..... My line of thinking is a comparison to an NHL goaltender. In almost every conceivable way, the starter will be better and you would never bench him for a half rate bottom feeder, who is currently riding the bench. Not all backups are terrible, but some are. Replacing any QB named Manning with any QB named Smith does not sound like a good idea initially, but when you look at the specific reason that a change may occur, a Smith may get put in. Not a dumb move in some cases Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, Bruce_Stools said: Maybe that’s a similar case to pulling Tyrod mid season. And I for one, was totally behind the benching of Tyrod, regardless of who was 2nd string. When a guy needs to be pulled, so be it. I haven’t paid much attention to the Giants other than hating on Odell any chance I get. Eli over Geno every time.......unless Eli needs to be benched, like some starters occasionally do. Was the benching warranted? At least to me benching Eli wasn't the worst of it. It was replacing him with Geno when they had a young QB they could have taken a hard look at in live action. We know what Geno is. If a move was made with an eye to the future in a lost season...that I could have been ok with. Starting Geno over Webb at that point is about the dumbest move he could have made. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce_Stools Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: From my understanding, the Giants were 2-9 and the season was over. They weren't going anywhere with Manning (I guess they felt at the time) so they wanted to see what they had in Davis and Smith. Davis, I can understand since he was drafted just the year before. Never understood playing Smith.... Thank you for clearing that up, I appreciate it. In that instance, you might as well try the Smiths and Petermans of the world. I understand the Bills were in the playoff race, unlike when the Giants decided to try, but Tyrod had to be given a message and the team had to try something else. 4 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said: At least to me benching Eli wasn't the worst of it. It was replacing him with Geno when they had a young QB they could have taken a hard look at in live action. We know what Geno is. If a move was made with an eye to the future in a lost season...that I could have been ok with. Starting Geno over Webb at that point is about the dumbest move he could have made. Lol agreed. Actually made me chuckle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 2 hours ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said: Ben McAdoo is a moron. We’re in trouble My reaction was this also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Heitz posted this already in the Allen/Rosen thread. The funniest part of this article is that Mcadoo was "ranking" QB prospects at all. WhY?? This guy was a clown all year last season. No he's talking about his goofy QB rankings. Gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 I always like McAdoo when be played for the Buffalo Braves! If it turns out he likes our QB...that's fine by me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 I recall during the draft Phil Simms was gushing over the Allen pick. Said he is the best QB in the draft. So that's another big name sticking his reputation as an NFL evaluator on Josh Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 1 minute ago, zow2 said: I recall during the draft Phil Simms was gushing over the Allen pick. Said he is the best QB in the draft. So that's another big name sticking his reputation as an NFL evaluator on Josh Allen. I think that was actually Phil's son, Chris, gushing over Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Just now, zow2 said: I recall during the draft Phil Simms was gushing over the Allen pick. Said he is the best QB in the draft. So that's another big name sticking his reputation as an NFL evaluator on Josh Allen. I don't think anyone's reputation is going to be saved or lost by anything they say during a Draft analysis show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 8 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Heitz posted this already in the Allen/Rosen thread. The funniest part of this article is that Mcadoo was "ranking" QB prospects at all. WhY?? This guy was a clown all year last season. No he's talking about his goofy QB rankings. Gold. My assumption was that he was ranking them because he's a "football guy" and only posted because it fell in the category of "Bills stuff". Regardless, I'm not trusting McAdoo based on hairstyle alone... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 12 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Heitz posted this already in the Allen/Rosen thread. The funniest part of this article is that Mcadoo was "ranking" QB prospects at all. WhY?? This guy was a clown all year last season. No he's talking about his goofy QB rankings. Gold. He will be an OC somewhere after this season and in the NFL. Maybe in Tampa after they fire Koetter and hire a new HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 McAdoo is useless. His reputation came from working with Rodgers. I could call plays for Aaron Rodgers and look like a genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 if schurmur says so i'm sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, aristocrat said: if schurmur says so i'm sold Don't let anyone sell you on a QB. No one knows anything about QB's until they start playing real NFL games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBytheBay Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 2 hours ago, THE SLAMMER said: I can tell you for sure Mayfield is NOT the 6th rated QB Behind Rudolph??? Now, I am worried Baker Mayfield is the exact same size as me. And I physically have no business being in the NFL. I think he is going to have a very hard time finishing seasons. They are also going to have to design a very Drew Brees playbook for him to get him from out behind all of the six four and six five offensive linemen in front of him. It works in college, but it seldom works in the NFL. Granted there are few exceptions, but Flutie couldn't even get that kind of love. 34 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Heitz posted this already in the Allen/Rosen thread. The funniest part of this article is that Mcadoo was "ranking" QB prospects at all. WhY?? This guy was a clown all year last season. No he's talking about his goofy QB rankings. Gold. I'm a firm believer in the Peter Principle. Granted, the man didn't have much success as the Giants head coach, but he has the League's respect as a talent evaluator of quarterbacks and an offense of coordinator. Or he wouldn't have got a head coaching job to begin with. Now that he's put his list out, it'll be interesting to see how accurate he is at the end of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 42 minutes ago, Gugny said: I think that was actually Phil's son, Chris, gushing over Allen. No, it was Phil. He loves Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 3 hours ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said: He benched Eli Manning for Geno Smith. That’s all I need to know wasn't there some trade talk higher up? and maybe it wasn't his decision? ....just playing the advocate.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, eball said: No, it was Phil. He loves Allen. I just googled "simms josh allen" and it's actually BOTH of them, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 If you love Josh Allen these guys are smart If you hate Josh Allen these guys are.....and have always been idiots (even though they are not) So.....whats new. Just come in and shut up your detractor's Josh.....hard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDS73 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 39 minutes ago, aristocrat said: schurmur 3 hours ago, racketmaster said: Shermur We're 0 for 2 so far. Anyone else wanna try? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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