xxxxxxxx Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 1 minute ago, mannc said: I hate to break the news to you, but that anecdote is the least of the things in Jameis’s past that make it “not unreasonable to assume he touched the woman inappropriately.” Yeah I know. Theres an award winning doc on the dude. Updated. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Would you swap unproven Josh Allen for former #1 Winston? I wouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 52 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Civil suit maybe? Several articles claim there was no police report filed. The Uber driver in question went public with the claims last November - to Buzzfeed. http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2018/06/21/nfl-to-suspend-jameis-winston-for-allegedly-grabbing-female-uber-drivers-crotch-report-says.html Kate said she filed a complaint with Uber after her ride with Winston, but declined to file charges because "I didn’t want to be publicly known as the woman who Jameis Winston groped." I know there is a lot of harassment and sexual assault that is unreported or if reported, disbelieved and if believed, under-penalized - Brock Turner, 3 months, just sayin. But I also think this kind of two years after-the-fact "Trial By Buzzfeed" is absolute bullcrap and should NOT be allowed to influence the NFL's discipline process. If someone who is assaulted wants to pursue a remedy for an assault - report it to thhe law after it happens. Let the police investigate, get names & statements while events are fresh in people's minds. But trial-by-social-media seguing into career consequences is just as nuts (in the other direction) as Brock Turner, 3 months. And last but not least, 18 months after the fact, now she DOES want to be known as "the woman Jameis Winston groped"? What changed? On the surface/my knee-jerk reaction to your post is that I agree. However, neither you, nor I, can put ourselves in the position of a woman who has been sexually harassed/assaulted. I don't think it's as easy as, "it happened, and I"m going to report it right now," for every victim. I'm sure many women need time to process what happened to them. Thanks to society, they probably go through a period of time in which they think it was "their fault." Maybe I shouldn't have dressed that way. Maybe I shouldn't have laughed at his stupid jokes. Maybe I led him on without realizing it. When 18 months pass by, I'll admit ... I'm pretty skeptical. But I'm also careful to not pretend I know what that woman went through and felt. It's a real life "he said/she said." That's what's scary. And these guys should never travel alone, or they should take videos whenever they're one-on-one with a female. It's a terrible age we're living in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxxxxxxx Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 (edited) I'm pretry sure that the women he claims to have not assaulted in college filed a police report right away (and that she didn't even know that he was the teams quaterback until after), so the whole golddigging scenario is highly questionable. The NFL knows this, and that he would probably not have been drafted if charges had been brought against him and he was awaiting trial, and that, more likely than not, he would have been charged given the evidence if the same incident had happened today. So they probably assume that he is a risk to reoffend and is not worth the PR storm that would be unleashed on the league, if he assaults another woman. Tha is what this is about, so I wouldn't waste my time with defending the dude. And if I were a commisioner, a coach, or a GM I wouldn't want him in the league either. Dude could cost you your job if he reoffends. And if a uber driver is posting complaints, he could be developing the profile of a predator, like Winslow and plenty of others. And please can we stop acting like mutimillion dollar athletes are victims that woman are preying on here. Its not hard not to be accused of assault. Most of you get through the day without it happening, and the idea of settlments being some gold digging opportunity is ridiculous when considering how few offenders are convicted due to how the laws are written. You don't need cameras or extra security, you just need to know what enthusiastic consent is. Edited June 22, 2018 by MURPHD6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Fitz finally gets his chance. Let's see what he can do. I'm amped. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Bust? 10 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I would love to see ol' Fitzy take the bucs to the super bowl , at least the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 11 hours ago, Augie said: He’s no rocket surgeon.... I hope he doesn’t waste that talent by being so immature. Rocket surgeon? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 6 hours ago, Irv said: Also - a good fit might be EJ down in Florida Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Rapeis Winston suspended for violating the personal conduct policy. Nope, not buying it. 11 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Rocket surgeon? Brain scientist, maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Fitzpatrick has started multiple games with seven different franchises and never made the playoffs. That has to be a record. Plus, he's somehow only 35. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 (edited) Reposted for those who may have missed it. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/04/16/sports/errors-in-inquiry-on-rape-allegations-against-fsu-jameis-winston.html BTW, note that former Bill Ron "The Lookout" Darby gets a mention. Edited June 22, 2018 by Freddie's Dead 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 11 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Any other fans of Peaky Blinders notice a resemblance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 12 hours ago, KGun12TD said: How is this rapist, thief and sexual offender still in the NFL? Excellent question......I guess as long as you don't kneel you can do what you want. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 13 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Fitz curse! ? Was thinking exactly the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 23 minutes ago, nucci said: Excellent question......I guess as long as you don't kneel you can do what you want. Sad, but true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 8 hours ago, MURPHD6 said: Its not hard not to get accused of groping an uber driver, irregardless of what may or may not have happened. Simply ride in the back seat and keep your hands on your phone. I do it all the time. Its easy if your an adult. If you have read some of the things he has said to school kids or the fact that he probably assaulted a student while he was in college it is not unreasonable to assume that he touched the woman inappropriately. Maybe he just wanted to pat her on the leg in a friendly way, maybe (probably)he was trying to flirt. Either way, initiaiting unwanted physical contact with a stranger who is trapped in a moving car that they can't get out of with you is wrong. He clearly doesn't understand what consent is, nor does he seem to care to learn. Well, here's my problem. I "get it" that it isn't a legal finding, but when something affects a person's ability to earn a living and reputation, I think there should be a higher standard than what's "unreasonable to assume." Edit: if we're talking my personal opinion, I think the guy is probably scum and got comped by the Tallahassee police in the case of his college rape investigation-that-wasn't. I just don't think personal opinions should drive NFL disciplinary matters, facts and evidence should. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 7 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said: Fitz finally gets his chance. Let's see what he can do. I'm amped. I've been saying that backup in Tampa could turn some heads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 9 hours ago, That's No Moon said: I thought it was interesting that it was leaked out ahead of time. Sort of lets the NFL fly a test balloon out there to see if people go nuts and I don't think it was accidental. Interesting point. You may have something there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 14 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: but those crab legs..... This proves it. Crab legs are but a gateway drug to sexual harassment. Crab legs beget Aphrodisiac beget Grabbing and running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 3 hours ago, Sky Diver said: Rocket surgeon? Yes, it's for the guys who flunk brain science Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 2 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Fitzpatrick has started multiple games with seven different franchises and never made the playoffs. That has to be a record. Plus, he's somehow only 35. Lets lighten the mood here. I can’t help of thinking about John Murphy’s great joke about Fitz at the Fred Jackson Roast. This quote is not exact this was the gist: “Fred Jackson punished defenders with his rough style of running, while Fitz paid them back with gift wrapped interceptions.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 13 hours ago, KGun12TD said: How is this rapist, thief and sexual offender still in the NFL? 'Cuz in the eyes of the law, he isn't - no charges filed. Now, why we let star athletes get a "pass" for crap behavior that would get the rest of us charged and fired - another question. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: 'Cuz in the eyes of the law, he isn't - no charges filed. Now, why we let star athletes get a "pass" for CRAB behavior that would get the rest of us charged and fired - another question. Fixed it for you.? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 22, 2018 Author Share Posted June 22, 2018 22 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: This proves it. Crab legs are but a gateway drug to sexual harassment. Crab legs beget Aphrodisiac beget Grabbing and running. As I recall, he stole the crab legs but paid for the butter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 11 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: Fixed it for you.? Nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereComesTheReignAgain Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 First he gets in trouble for grabbing a crab leg and now for grabbing a clam...? *sorry in advance 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Fitz is on some Tonya Harding **** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 1 minute ago, chknwing334 said: First he gets in trouble for grabbing a crab leg and now for grabbing a clam...? *sorry in advance No you aren't. (But it's funny.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Should have never been drafted #1. Mariota and Winston were close enough prospects that the off the field issues should have made it a slam dunk to take Marcus. Koetter and Licht will be fired at the end of the season, and the next regime if they have any sense wont put up with this garbage. All the talent in the world, probably enough to be a top 10 quarterback in the league but too many headaches. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 36 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: This proves it. Crab legs are but a gateway drug to sexual harassment. Crab legs beget Aphrodisiac beget Grabbing and running. Keep those crab legs crossed.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TheFunPolice Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Good for Fitz! He always seems to get a chance to start multiple games and he has made a ton of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 The Fitz curse is more real than the Madden curse. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Fitz is so smart he could have been a rocket surgeon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Why suspend him now for something that happened over 2 years ago? Doesn't make any sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 22, 2018 Author Share Posted June 22, 2018 24 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: Why suspend him now for something that happened over 2 years ago? Doesn't make any sense I’m not sure the time frame of when he did it matters as much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grb Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Well, here's my problem. I "get it" that it isn't a legal finding, but when something affects a person's ability to earn a living and reputation, I think there should be a higher standard than what's "unreasonable to assume." Edit: if we're talking my personal opinion, I think the guy is probably scum and got comped by the Tallahassee police in the case of his college rape investigation-that-wasn't. I just don't think personal opinions should drive NFL disciplinary matters, facts and evidence should. I don't think facts, evidence or personal opinion drives NFL disciplinary matters - public relations does..... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 The ole veteran QBs turn young bloods into professionals theory.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 15 hours ago, MURPHD6 said: The only problem is that his arm was never strong and every defensive cordinator in the league knows that he can't throw a deep out, so the defenses don't have to defend the entire field. Its the same problem that has dogged him his entire career and why he tends to have melt downs when facing above average defenses. He's a perfect backup though, probably the best of his generation. Fine against half the teams in the league, but that doesnt get you into the playoffs and it probably doesnt win a playoff game. Agree to a point - How did he throw 31 TD's for NYJ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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