NFL suspends Jameis Winston for 3 games

[Hapless Bills Fan]

19 minutes ago, Irv said:

 

Agree to a point - How did he throw 31 TD's for NYJ?  

 

Well, for 26 of them, he flung them in the general vicinity of Brandon Marshall or Eric Decker and they came down with the ball

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I’m not sure the time frame of when he did it matters as much 

 

 

...exactly Yolo....NO statute of limitations on the NFL Personal Conduct Policy.....Justice Goodell is judge, jury & executioner on HIS time table.....

[SouthNYfan]

42 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Well, for 26 of them, he flung them in the general vicinity of Brandon Marshall or Eric Decker and they came down with the ball

 

Exactly.

Which is also why he throws a ton of ints and is wildly inconsistent from game to game.

His entire skillset involves chucking it to a reasonably close area, and hoping that his receiver gets it.

Sometimes they do, sometimes the DBs do.

 

[That's No Moon]

17 hours ago, MURPHD6 said:

Its not hard not to get accused of groping an uber driver, irregardless of what may or may not have happened.  Simply ride in the back seat and keep your hands on your phone. I do it all the time. Its easy if your an adult.  If you have read some of the things he has said to school kids or the fact that he probably assaulted a student while he was in college it is not unreasonable to assume that he touched the woman inappropriately. Maybe he just wanted to pat her on the leg in a friendly way, maybe (probably)he was trying to flirt. Either way, initiaiting unwanted physical contact with a stranger who is trapped in  a moving car that they can't get out of with you is wrong. He clearly  doesn't understand what consent is, nor does he seem to care to learn.

Thanks for sort of illustrate what I was talking about. The NFL floats out the idea of a 3 game suspension and measures the reaction to it before it becomes offical. If people go nuts they can increase it and blame fake news. If it goes by mostly un discussed in the media then the 3 sticks.

[Irv]

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Well, for 26 of them, he flung them in the general vicinity of Brandon Marshall or Eric Decker and they came down with the ball

 

C'mon. That's a "reach"

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Alphadawg7]

On 6/21/2018 at 4:43 PM, KD in CA said:

 

Here we go again......!

 

 

This graphic is just genius and spot on.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

6 hours ago, Irv said:

 

C'mon. That's a "reach"

 

Nicely done!

[Hapless Bills Fan]

12 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I’m not sure the time frame of when he did it matters as much 

 

The time frame matters to the ability to conduct a reasonable investigation. 

 

If you investigate in a timely way, maybe the worker at the drive-through window noticed who was in the car and where they were sitting.  Maybe there would be a cash register record of what was purchased that would corroborate if there was just Winston or several guys in the car.  Maybe UBER has records that get destroyed after a time.  And the memory of the other people involved will be better.  A friend's kid got married almost 2 years ago to the day.  I remember driving here and there with various people in the car, and for several of the trips I know two particular friends were in the car with us, but we made a number of drives and no way could I accurately swear to who was in the car on some of them.

 

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10 hours ago, Irv said:

 

Agree to a point - How did he throw 31 TD's for NYJ?  

Gailey's system. Not sure how many deep outs went for tds; my guess is that he didn't throw many. His accuracy isn't awful when he throws deep over the middle. To the sideline its a problem.  It will be interesting to see what happens if he starts again. The problem when he was here was when dbs started jumping the slants, if I remember correctly. It became pick 6 city.

Edited June 23, 2018 by MURPHD6

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Yeah, suspension is just a stupid P.R move designed to scare him straight. 

[GunnerBill]

On 6/22/2018 at 11:37 PM, Alphadawg7 said:

Hmmmmm...

 

I say dangle AJ and see if they bite.  Winston still has not blossomed into the guy they had hoped and is very mistake prone.  Now add in offseason stuff, they might have interest in a guy like AJ who has upside that could potentially blossom into a Winston replacement.  

 

If we could move AJ for a decent draft pick right now, I would do it.  Like if we could get a 3rd, do it.  I mean he was about to fetch multiple picks last season that included a 2nd so its not out of the question.  AJ could be some insurance with upside for them, and with how well Allen is progressing and the staff apparently liking what they see in Peterman, I would just do it.  

 

If they didn't already have a better QB as their back up then they might be interested in that. But Fitz is a better QB than McCarron and for the sake of 3 games that is what they will roll with. If Winston was being suspended for a year then I can see the long shot possible upside of AJ might entice them. I would be surprised ultimatrly if AJ McCarron ends up having as good of a career as Fitz. 

[NY Nole]

On 6/22/2018 at 12:49 AM, MURPHD6 said:

I'm pretry sure that the women he claims to have not assaulted in college filed a police report right away (and that she didn't even know that he was the teams quaterback until after), so the whole golddigging scenario is highly questionable. The NFL knows this, and that he would probably not have been drafted if charges had been brought against him and he was awaiting trial, and that, more likely than not, he would have been charged given the evidence if the same incident had happened today. So they probably assume that he is a risk to reoffend and is not worth the PR storm that would be unleashed on the league, if he assaults another woman.

 

Tha is what this is about, so I wouldn't waste my time with defending the dude. And if I were a commisioner, a coach, or a GM I wouldn't want him in the league either. Dude could cost you your job if he reoffends. And if a uber driver is posting complaints, he could be developing the profile of a predator, like Winslow and plenty of others.

 

And please can we stop acting like mutimillion dollar athletes are victims that woman are preying on here. Its not hard not to be accused of assault. Most of you get through the day without it happening, and the idea of settlments being some gold digging opportunity is ridiculous when considering how few offenders are convicted due to how the laws are written. You don't need cameras or extra security, you just need to know what enthusiastic consent is.

I do not pretend to know what happened with this UBER driver - but you are inaccurate with your assessment of the college incident. There is way more to the story that you do not reference/know that had a big impact on the woman’s criminal complaint.

[DC Tom]

On 6/21/2018 at 11:51 PM, MURPHD6 said:

Its not hard not to get accused of groping an uber driver, irregardless of what may or may not have happened.  Simply ride in the back seat and keep your hands on your phone. I do it all the time. Its easy if your an adult.  If you have read some of the things he has said to school kids or the fact that he probably assaulted a student while he was in college it is not unreasonable to assume that he touched the woman inappropriately. Maybe he just wanted to pat her on the leg in a friendly way, maybe (probably)he was trying to flirt. Either way, initiaiting unwanted physical contact with a stranger who is trapped in  a moving car that they can't get out of with you is wrong. He clearly  doesn't understand what consent is, nor does he seem to care to learn.

 

Hell, I get accused of groping an Uber driver at least twice a month.  And I don't even use Uber.

[DriveFor1Outta5]

6 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

Hell, I get accused of groping an Uber driver at least twice a month.  And I don't even use Uber.

So you’re telling us your wife drives for Uber? 

[DC Tom]

Just now, DriveFor1Outta5 said:

So you’re telling us your wife drives for Uber? 

 

Then I'd get accused a hell of a lot more frequently than twice a month.  Hell, I'm gonna go grope her right now...be right back...

[The_Dude]

Jameis is one of those guys I root for to get cancer. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

On 6/21/2018 at 11:08 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

 

But I also think this kind of two years after-the-fact "Trial By Buzzfeed" is absolute bullcrap and should NOT be allowed to influence the NFL's discipline process.   If someone who is assaulted wants to pursue a remedy for an assault - report it to thhe law after it happens. 

 

Let the police investigate, get names & statements while events are fresh in people's minds.    But trial-by-social-media seguing into career consequences is just as nuts (in the other direction) as Brock Turner, 3 months.

 

And last but not least, 18 months after the fact, now she DOES want to be known as "the woman Jameis Winston groped"?  What changed? 

 

Tell that to the Cosby victims.

[Skins Malone]

Ill never get this stuff.  Your a famous..rich..nfl player...im sure he can get women..yet they do this kind of crap.   I dont get it.

[YoloinOhio]

Just now, Skins Malone said:

Ill never get this stuff.  Your a famous..rich..nfl player...im sure he can get women..yet they do this kind of crap.   I dont get it.

He’s an idiot. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, joesixpack said:

 

Tell that to the Cosby victims.

 

Cosby victims discussion  --> PPP

[Skins Malone]

On 6/21/2018 at 11:08 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Civil suit maybe?  Several articles claim there was no police report filed.  The Uber driver in question went public with the claims last November - to Buzzfeed.

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2018/06/21/nfl-to-suspend-jameis-winston-for-allegedly-grabbing-female-uber-drivers-crotch-report-says.html

Kate said she filed a complaint with Uber after her ride with Winston, but declined to file charges because "I didn’t want to be publicly known as the woman who Jameis Winston groped."

 

I know there is a lot of harassment and sexual assault that is unreported or if reported, disbelieved and if believed, under-penalized - Brock Turner, 3 months, just sayin.

But I also think this kind of two years after-the-fact "Trial By Buzzfeed" is absolute bullcrap and should NOT be allowed to influence the NFL's discipline process.   If someone who is assaulted wants to pursue a remedy for an assault - report it to thhe law after it happens. 

 

Let the police investigate, get names & statements while events are fresh in people's minds.    But trial-by-social-media seguing into career consequences is just as nuts (in the other direction) as Brock Turner, 3 months.

 

And last but not least, 18 months after the fact, now she DOES want to be known as "the woman Jameis Winston groped"?  What changed? 

She did report to the company right after it happened.  I know she could have called the police but she did do something 

Edited June 24, 2018 by Skins Malone

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Just now, Skins Malone said:

She did report to the company right after it happened.  I know she could have called the police but she did report to the company right after it happened.  

 

And per Winston, they cancelled his Uber account, so apparently they felt there was a credible issue.  But who knows whether and what kind of investigation they did.

 

Of course (looping back to other issues) who knows what kind of investigation the police would have done (or not done).

 

[Skins Malone]

Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

And per Winston, they cancelled his Uber account, so apparently they felt there was a credible issue.  But who knows whether and what kind of investigation they did.

 

Of course (looping back to other issues) who knows what kind of investigation the police would have done (or not done).

 

Do we know if the police are investigating or is it to late now?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

5 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Cosby victims discussion  --> PPP

 

Dont threaten me with a good time 

[Mr. WEO]

21 hours ago, NY Nole said:

I do not pretend to know what happened with this UBER driver - but you are inaccurate with your assessment of the college incident. There is way more to the story that you do not reference/know that had a big impact on the woman’s criminal complaint.

 

 

You mean how both the FSU and Tallahassee PDs conspired to obstruct justice by getting statements from "witnesses"  (his teammates who were there--including Darby) and sharing them with Winston's attorney before the DA investigators could talk to them?

 

And when this UBER story broke LAST year, guess who was one of the "friends" who said he was with Darby in the Uber....that's right, his cover man, Ron Darby.

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

22 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

You mean how both the FSU and Tallahassee PDs conspired to obstruct justice by getting statements from "witnesses"  (his teammates who were there--including Darby) and sharing them with Winston's attorney before the DA investigators could talk to them?

 

And when this UBER story broke LAST year, guess who was one of the "friends" who said he was with Darby in the Uber....that's right, his cover man, Ron Darby.

 

 

Cris Carter approves 

[formerlyofCtown]

On 6/21/2018 at 7:15 PM, KGun12TD said:

How is this rapist, thief and sexual offender still in the NFL?

Don't know that he is actually guilty of any of that.

[TBBills Fan]

On 6/22/2018 at 7:03 PM, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

 

hmmm...fishy

 

then add in the Talahassee government literally covering for the star QB who is being accused of rape.....

 

if it quacks like a duck

 

and sounds like a duck........

Edited June 24, 2018 by TBBills Fan

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

14 minutes ago, TBBills Fan said:

 

 

hmmm...fishy

 

then add in the Talahassee government literally covering for the star QB who is being accused of rape.....

 

if it quacks like a duck

 

and sounds like a duck........

 

....would that be a crab legs pun?....just askin'................

[3rdand12]

31 minutes ago, TBBills Fan said:

 

 

hmmm...fishy

 

then add in the Talahassee government literally covering for the star QB who is being accused of rape.....

 

if it quacks like a duck

 

and sounds like a duck........

does it float like a duck ?

 

yep , something is surely not right here.

 I mentioned it above some pages back.

[TBBills Fan]

1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

....would that be a crab legs pun?....just askin'................

 

 

sir you are awarded a 10 point bonus

[Hapless Bills Fan]

12 hours ago, joesixpack said:

 

Dont threaten me with a good time 

 

I didn't know that was a threat!  Learn somethin' every day here.

[ColoradoBills]

3 hours ago, 3rdand12 said:

does it float like a duck ?

 

 

........and if he weighs the same as a duck.........he is made of wood.........................and therefore....................

[stuvian]

On 6/22/2018 at 7:03 PM, YoloinOhio said:

 

[Punching Bag]

On 6/21/2018 at 6:37 PM, Alphadawg7 said:

Hmmmmm...

 

I say dangle AJ and see if they bite.  Winston still has not blossomed into the guy they had hoped and is very mistake prone.  Now add in offseason stuff, they might have interest in a guy like AJ who has upside that could potentially blossom into a Winston replacement.  

 

If we could move AJ for a decent draft pick right now, I would do it.  Like if we could get a 3rd, do it.  I mean he was about to fetch multiple picks last season that included a 2nd so its not out of the question.  AJ could be some insurance with upside for them, and with how well Allen is progressing and the staff apparently liking what they see in Peterman, I would just do it.  

 

Dangle  P5t5erson instead. There DBs could use practice catching balls.

On 6/21/2018 at 8:52 PM, PromoTheRobot said:

 

...and should we bring him in for a look after he gets released?

 

Sounds more of a resume for the Phish....   Maybe he could get job as counselor on Alabama staff. 

On 6/21/2018 at 11:35 PM, MURPHD6 said:

The only problem is that his arm was never strong and every defensive cordinator in the league knows that he can't throw a deep out, so the defenses don't have to defend the entire field. Its the same problem that has dogged him his entire career and why he tends to have melt downs when facing above average defenses. He's a perfect backup though, probably the best of his generation. Fine against half the teams in the league, but that doesnt get you into the playoffs and it probably doesnt win a playoff game.

 

Take a look at how many long throws he has made. Yes has to put his whole body into it but he can burn teams deep.

 

That is if you are interested in FACTS.

[Punching Bag]

On 6/22/2018 at 11:09 AM, Sky Diver said:

Fitz is so smart he could have been a rocket surgeon.

 

Technically it is a space surgeon. It is what medical doctors on space station were.

With all the rockets in Alabama I could see why you were mixed up.

On 6/22/2018 at 3:51 PM, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

...exactly Yolo....NO statute of limitations on the NFL Personal Conduct Policy.....Justice Goodell is judge, jury & executioner on HIS time table.....

 

yes but the Bucs had to know this was coming.  Do you think they consulted with Jim Overdorf on best way to word contract so he does not get penalized by team?

[Sky Diver]

9 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

Technically it is a space surgeon. It is what medical doctors on space station were.

With all the rockets in Alabama I could see why you were mixed up.

 

yes but the Bucs had to know this was coming.  Do you think they consulted with Jim Overdorf on best way to word contract so he does not get penalized by team?

 

"Rocket surgeon" was a joke based on a previous post in this thread.

 

Huntsville, AL is known as "Rocket City, USA". It has among the highest concentration of engineers in the country.

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/media/americas-top-10-tech-cities-arent-on-the-coasts/2/

 

Edited June 26, 2018 by Sky Diver

[Hapless Bills Fan]

19 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

........and if he weighs the same as a duck.........he is made of wood.........................and therefore....................

 

Well done, I was trying to figure out how to work that in there

[SouthNYfan]

4 hours ago, Sky Diver said:

 

"Rocket surgeon" was a joke based on a previous post in this thread.

 

Huntsville, AL is known as "Rocket City, USA". It has among the highest concentrations of engineers in the country.

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/media/americas-top-10-tech-cities-arent-on-the-coasts/2/

 

 

Isn't Huntsville where NASA originated?