Report: Baker Mayfield not ready to compete with Tyrod Taylor

[Bing Bong]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

As a 4 sport varsity athlete and college football player , imo baseball was the hardest sport I ever played 

 

yes, you get some crazy stories like the one you mentioned but it is very hard to hit a 90+ mph fastball and world class curve

 

i definitely respect baseball players

True, and Charles Barkley claims he played a game black out drunk (thought he was traded to the Lakers that morning), so any sport is replete with stories like that.

 

Ken Stabler was apparently hungover every NFL Sunday

[Punching Bag]

2 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

but to say someone sucks because they were a late round pick is just silly. 

 

I know one 6th round pick sucks - he sucks air out of balls.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

8 hours ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

Ken Stabler was apparently hungover every NFL Sunday

And I thought he only looked bad because he was a southpaw.

[Bing Bong]

10 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

I know one 6th round pick sucks - he sucks air out of balls.

that's good hustle Limeaid.

 

3 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

And I thought he only looked bad because he was a southpaw.

Never saw him play, I thought he was supposed to be the Raiders best quarterback in their franchise from back in the evil Raiders days no?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

12 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

I could have but everybody has different definitions of a franchise QB... my definition would be is he able to take your team to the playoffs... I think their is a big difference between elite QB and a Franchise QB

 

There are only a handful of elite QBs, but a guy like Andy Dalton who has been a 7 year starter is a franchise QB... though a lower -mid level one

 

TT is definitely one of the best 32 QBs Alive and that’s why he’s still employed 

 

I get it, but I think the point several are making is you were effectively down the road towards bollixing the definition of "starting QB" the same way "franchise QB" has been bollixed.  The definition of starting QB seems relatively straightforward....guy who starts the majority of the games at QB for his team, barring injury.

 

Now if we want to bollix that and say "oh no, true starters can get their team to the playoffs, there are only 15-20 of 'em, not 32", we're now in the land of "everyone has a different definition of NFL starter", where guys who are actually starters for their team, like perhaps Tannehill and Bortles, aren't starters - maybe even guys who in the past have taken their teams to playoffs or championships, like Dalton and Flacco and Eli Manning, aren't starters.

 

I understand what you're trying to say, I think, but using Starter instead of Franchise QB doesn't add clarity, IMO.

 

 

 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

13 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

that's good hustle Limeaid.

 

Never saw him play, I thought he was supposed to be the Raiders best quarterback in their franchise from back in the evil Raiders days no?

Yes he was.  However, he always 'looked' awkward with the left handed delivery.  A subjective judgment on my part, but quite a few contemporaries agreed with me.  I'll bet we could have generated 15 to 20 pages here at TSW debating Snake's merits / faults.

Edited June 26, 2018 by Ridgewaycynic2013
Clarity

[Bing Bong]

11 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Yes he was.  However, he always 'looked' awkward with the left handed delivery.  A subjective judgment on my part, but quite a few contemporaries agreed with me.  I'll bet we could have generated 15 to 20 pages here at TSW debating Snake's merits / faults.

I was just watching a "top 10 most forgotten plays" video which is where I found that out about Ken Stabler. It's plays that likely win a team a superbowl or conference championships followed up by another tremendous play by the other team that erases the legacy that could have been.

 

Ken Stabler ran like a demon for a 30 yard TD run in his first start (in the playoffs). He looked so fast, everybody on the Raiders was saying he was too lazy to jog, let alone make a Vick-like scramble. So it was a pretty good example haha, Stabler will never be known as actually being a good running quarterback in clutch time.

[Buffalo716]

3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I get it, but I think the point several are making is you were effectively down the road towards bollixing the definition of "starting QB" the same way "franchise QB" has been bollixed.  The definition of starting QB seems relatively straightforward....guy who starts the majority of the games at QB for his team, barring injury.

 

Now if we want to bollix that and say "oh no, true starters can get their team to the playoffs, there are only 15-20 of 'em, not 32", we're now in the land of "everyone has a different definition of NFL starter", where guys who are actually starters for their team, like perhaps Tannehill and Bortles, aren't starters - maybe even guys who in the past have taken their teams to playoffs or championships, like Dalton and Flacco and Eli Manning, aren't starters.

 

I understand what you're trying to say, I think, but using Starter instead of Franchise QB doesn't add clarity, IMO.

 

 

 

I understand that... I could’ve used better verbiage because my point was the NFL is lacking in true Franchise QBs... sure, you are right all 32 teams have a “starter” but how many of them have their jobs secured? The last 5-10 are revolving doors

 

You brought up guys like Flacco and Dalton and Eli... none of them are elite but all of them are / were Franchise QBs

 

We had guys like Bryce Petty starting and Blaine Gabbert and Trevor Simian by week 17... those are the guys who i talk about when I say starters not starting caliber...

 

Even Tannehill is a 7 year starting veteran, he is much better than the 3 I named... 

 

Franchise QB was definitely the term I shoulda used and their are definitely a handful of teams still searching for 1... some for years

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

3 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

I understand that... I could’ve used better verbiage because my point was the NFL is lacking in true Franchise QBs... sure, you are right all 32 teams have a “starter” but how many of them have their jobs secured? The last 5-10 are revolving doors

 

You brought up guys like Flacco and Dalton and Eli... none of them are elite but all of them are / were Franchise QBs

 

We had guys like Bryce Petty starting and Blaine Gabbert and Trevor Simian by week 17... those are the guys who i talk about when I say starters not starting caliber...

 

Even Tannehill is a 7 year starting veteran, he is much better than the 3 I named... 

 

Franchise QB was definitely the term I shoulda used and their are definitely a handful of teams still searching for 1... some for years

 

 

...nicely done (as usual) 716.......it typifies the pathetic "state of the QB position" over the last decade+......other than a handful, "garbage in...garbage out.." comes to mind......look at the list of 1st rounders over the last 10+ years....most would NOT even be UDFA's yesteryear....and at this juncture, I'm not even sure if a universally acceptable definition of a "franchise QB" exists.....as Steve Young (yup, HIM) eloquently stated, "more collegiate QB's fail versus succeed in the NFL due to the speed and complexity of the game at this level".....cannot argue that IMO....so despite their pick selections, Baker, Sam D, Josh A, Josh R, et al are all unproven question marks at this level......hell for all we know, a guy like Lauletta (JUST AN EXAMPLE-stay calm) trumps them all.....stay tuned.....

Edited June 26, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

...nicely done (as usual) 716.......it typifies the pathetic "state of the QB position" over the last decade+......other than a handful, "garbage in...garbage out.." comes to mind......look at the list of 1st rounders over the last 10+ years....most would NOT even be UDFA's yesteryear....and at this juncture, I'm not even sure if a universally acceptable definition of a "franchise QB" exists.....as Steve Young (yup, HIM) eloquently stated, "more collegiate QB's fail versus succeed in the NFL due to the speed and complexity of the game at this level".....cannot argue that IMO....so despite their pick selections, Baker, Sam D, Josh A, Josh R, et al are all unproven question marks at this level......hell for all we know, a guy like Lauletta (JUST AN EXAMPLE-stay calm) trumps them all.....stay tuned.....

 

Exactly.

 

College coaches don’t groom their QBs to be successful in the NFL...

 

they groom them to be good college QBs and win them games

 

The speed and complexity of the NFL game is unmatched and nobody knows for certain how player xyz will react when the bullets start flying

 

Being an NFL QB is the toughest sports job in the world. Jim Kelly spoiled us

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

 

Exactly.

 

College coaches don’t groom their QBs to be successful in the NFL...

 

they groom them to be good college QBs and win them games

 

The speed and complexity of the NFL game is unmatched and nobody knows for certain how player xyz will react when the bullets start flying

 

Being an NFL QB is the toughest sports job in the world. Jim Kelly spoiled us

 

...MAJOR source of irritation for me is that the smug NFL has no minor league system.......look at MLB or NHL(don't know much about the NBA) and the substantial depth of their minor league systems......more kids employed, ability for callups and demotions, etc.....sure their seasons are longer (80+ games) but I'd bet the NFL has the most lucrative TV contracts...but they do not want to spend the money and now colleges are no longer going to be their minor league system gratis....colleges focus on whatever brand of football brings excitement to the game, puts butts in the seats and leads to a mega millions bowl game, making boosters happy happy......if it transitions into NFL careers, so be it...if not, oh well.....feel bad for the kids who see it as the road to their lifelong dream and do not get a chance or do and sign their contract with an "X" because of their faux degree....

[Teddy KGB]

 

21 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Taylor is a good quality starting NFL QB........  

 

 

 

You spelled poor wrong.      

On 6/25/2018 at 2:51 PM, John from Riverside said:

I cant stand it when ppl say he sucks either.....he is not a franchise guy but "suck"

 

Just lazy broke thinking

 

He sucks.    That’s pretty official by now. 

 

60 yard games, benched for Petey, 3 point playoff game.      That’s pretty much the definition of suck.       

 

 

[The Red King]

3 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...MAJOR source of irritation for me is that the smug NFL has no minor league system.......look at MLB or NHL(don't know much about the NBA) and the substantial depth of their minor league systems......more kids employed, ability for callups and demotions, etc.....sure their seasons are longer (80+ games) but I'd bet the NFL has the most lucrative TV contracts...but they do not want to spend the money and now colleges are no longer going to be their minor league system gratis....colleges focus on whatever brand of football brings excitement to the game, puts butts in the seats and leads to a mega millions bowl game, making boosters happy happy......if it transitions into NFL careers, so be it...if not, oh well.....feel bad for the kids who see it as the road to their lifelong dream and do not get a chance or do and sign their contract with an "X" because of their faux degree....

 

Much higher chance at injury in the NFL.  Players break easily, it's hard to even transition from college to pros.  NFL owners don't want to wear down their players before they even take an NFL snap.  Imagine if Rosen had to play AAA ball...just one solid shot to the head and he might not even ever suit up as a Card.

Edited June 27, 2018 by The Red King

[John from Riverside]

3 hours ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

 

You spelled poor wrong.      

 

He sucks.    That’s pretty official by now. 

 

60 yard games, benched for Petey, 3 point playoff game.      That’s pretty much the definition of suck.       

 

 

Actually no....that is YOUR definition of suck....while conveniently leaving out all of the good play he has given us over the years of this time.

 

Someone with an agenda would concentrate on the worst stat....that is you Ryan and nothing else.   That is you Ryan.

 

Trust me......we are going to see some bad QB play at times this year no matter if one of these QBs ultimately ends up being better.

[Rocky Landing]

3 hours ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

 

You spelled poor wrong.      

 

He sucks.    That’s pretty official by now. 

 

60 yard games, benched for Petey, 3 point playoff game.      That’s pretty much the definition of suck.       

 

 

Simple troll.

[prissythecat]

13 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Actually no....that is YOUR definition of suck....while conveniently leaving out all of the good play he has given us over the years of this time.

 

Someone with an agenda would concentrate on the worst stat....that is you Ryan and nothing else.   That is you Ryan.

 

Trust me......we are going to see some bad QB play at times this year no matter if one of these QBs ultimately ends up being better.

 

Wait so is Teddy KGB really RyanLBillz

[John from Riverside]

3 minutes ago, prissythecat said:

 

Wait so is Teddy KGB really RyanLBillz

Always has been.   Who else out there has a Tyrod Taylor voo doo doll?

[Johnny Hammersticks]

2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Always has been.   Who else out there has a Tyrod Taylor voo doo doll?

 

Nate Peterman?

[Punching Bag]

3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Always has been.   Who else out there has a Tyrod Taylor voo doo doll?

 

 

I am sure there are dozens if not hundreds out there especially when he was starter.  Bills fandom being best, you know?

[transplantbillsfan]

4 hours ago, prissythecat said:

 

Wait so is Teddy KGB really RyanLBillz

 

And Maury Balstein, too.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

On 6/26/2018 at 8:54 PM, The Red King said:

 

Much higher chance at injury in the NFL.  Players break easily, it's hard to even transition from college to pros.  NFL owners don't want to wear down their players before they even take an NFL snap.  Imagine if Rosen had to play AAA ball...just one solid shot to the head and he might not even ever suit up as a Card.

 

...certainly.....but with a minor league system ala MLB or NHL, more of these kids who cannot make it in the NFL could become career minor leaguers.......hence, they have a carfeer, gainful employment but not at the NFL financial level.....at least their collegiate efforts pay off somehow......and not every minor leaguer will get called up, so the injury risk would be the same in the minors versus NFL......would be nice to see callup(s) stick with the Big Dawgs and shine.....not that the NFLPA would EVER go for it, but the slackers can get demoted and there is a max minor league salary.......fail to support and you're suspended (um right; I must have CTE)....

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

On 6/27/2018 at 12:32 PM, John from Riverside said:

Always has been.   Who else out there has a Tyrod Taylor voo doo doll?

You don’t?? 

 

Lol.   Mine fell apart before BBMB closed.  

 

Kidding.  

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[3rdand12]

On 6/27/2018 at 12:35 PM, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

Nate Peterman?

Nice work John :  )

[T master]

So our Bills are moving forward the FO has made all of the right moves this off season & during last season to put the Bills in the position for a very positive future not only at the QB position as it looks now but in the LB er & quite possibly some other positions on the team like the D line & O line .

 

But hereing & reading about all the great things Tyrod is doing in Cleveland if he has a super year & with the talent that they have put around him to succeed out there how many of you will be the ones that say "SEE I TOLD YOU HE WAS A GOOD QB" or "I JUST KNEW THAT IF HE HAD THE RIGHT WEAPONS HE WOULD BE GOOD" !

 

And how many of you will be "THAT DAM BEAN HE SHOULD HAVE KEPT TT" 

 

I know a lot of us me included thought Tyrod was a great team mate but fell short as we all have heard 1000 times since his departure & a lot of us wish him well there as long as when he plays the Bills he stays the same as he was while he was here & doesn't make us all look foolish for which he has a ton of motivation to do just that !!

 

All of his new team mates are praising what he has done to this point & we all know what a huge arm he has for the deep ball but we all know what we thought are & will be his weaknesses again this year at least we hope .

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000939539/article/jarvis-landry-tyrod-taylor-has-looked-amazing

 

I have all the faith in the FO & the decisions they have made recently,  i for one think that AJ given the chance will be great & prove all the nay sayers wrong especially if some of the WR group steps up .

 

But TT can be a scary QB at times i just hope they haven't given him the players that he can develop a real good chemistry with & make us once again go DAMMIT !! 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[CommonCents]

TT and AJ the greats. I hope your mom loves you because I don’t!

[eball]

Really?  Another Tyrod thread?  Mods, can we get a little bit of control here?  Is there possibly anything left that hasn't been said about Tyrod?

[White Linen]

Why do you listen to what people that don't know say - when you've seen it and know what TT is and isn't?

[JPP]

3 minutes ago, eball said:

Really?  Another Tyrod thread?  Mods, can we get a little bit of control here?  Is there possibly anything left that hasn't been said about Tyrod?

Why really complain about TT threads......they keep on coming personally im over it.....this is nothing wait until the start of the season...every Cleveland game will sprout even more threads.......

[Cynical]

30 minutes ago, T master said:

So our Bills are moving forward the FO has made all of the right moves this off season & during last season to put the Bills in the position for a very positive future not only at the QB position as it looks now but in the LB er & quite possibly some other positions on the team like the D line & O line .

 

But hereing & reading about all the great things Tyrod is doing in Cleveland if he has a super year & with the talent that they have put around him to succeed out there how many of you will be the ones that say "SEE I TOLD YOU HE WAS A GOOD QB" or "I JUST KNEW THAT IF HE HAD THE RIGHT WEAPONS HE WOULD BE GOOD" !

 

And how many of you will be "THAT DAM BEAN HE SHOULD HAVE KEPT TT" 

 

I know a lot of us me included thought Tyrod was a great team mate but fell short as we all have heard 1000 times since his departure & a lot of us wish him well there as long as when he plays the Bills he stays the same as he was while he was here & doesn't make us all look foolish for which he has a ton of motivation to do just that !!

 

All of his new team mates are praising what he has done to this point & we all know what a huge arm he has for the deep ball but we all know what we thought are & will be his weaknesses again this year at least we hope .

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000939539/article/jarvis-landry-tyrod-taylor-has-looked-amazing

 

I have all the faith in the FO & the decisions they have made recently,  i for one think that AJ given the chance will be great & prove all the nay sayers wrong especially if some of the WR group steps up .

 

But TT can be a scary QB at times i just hope they haven't given him the players that he can develop a real good chemistry with & make us once again go DAMMIT !! 

 

Seriously? "But hereing & reading about all the great things Tyrod is doing in Cleveland ..." has you worried?

Go look at all the QB's the Browns have had the past few years. It's a who's who of bad QB's.

Taylor is probably the only semi competent QB they had since 2010. Of course he's going to look good.

 

Give a starving man a bologna sandwich, and he'll think it's the greatest meal ever.

But it's still a bologna sandwich, and not a filet mignon.

[Bills757]

Obviously time will tell on a number of topics....JA, TT, Edmunds, new Olinemen, Mason Rudolph....the list goes on and on all around the league. 

[atlbillsfan1975]

Anyone who has been around twobillsdrive understand how the legacy grows of ex quarterbacks. 

[DC Tom]

Taylor's greatest strength - by far - is protecting the ball.

 

Right now, that's all the "great things" the Browns need from a QB.

[Boca BIlls]

Wait till the games matter and he is forced to play "QB"

[The Red King]

In the end, regardless of how TT does in Cleveland, the sad truth is...he would not have done well in Buffalo this season.  Different people will place blame in different places, some on the Bills, some on Tyrod, some on both.  Regardless, most all of us agree Tyrod wouldn't do well were he still here, so I don't think people will say we should have kept him, even if he somehow excells in Cleveland.

 

Despite who you blame, Tyrod, the Bills and the Browns are better off from the trade.  TT is a Brown, time to move on.

Edited July 6, 2018 by The Red King

[26CornerBlitz]

4 minutes ago, The Red King said:

In the end, regardless of how TT does in Cleveland, the sad truth is...he would not have done well in Buffalo this season.  Different people will place blame in different places, some on the Bills, some on Tyrod, some on both.  Regardless, most all of us agree Tyrod wouldn't do well were he still here, so I don't think people will say we should have kept him, even if he somehow excells in Cleveland.

 

Despite who you blame, Tyrod, the Bills and the Browns are better off from the trade.  TT is a Brown, time to move on.

 

Good take on the situation. 

[JPP]

17 minutes ago, The Red King said:

In the end, regardless of how TT does in Cleveland, the sad truth is...he would not have done well in Buffalo this season.  Different people will place blame in different places, some on the Bills, some on Tyrod, some on both.  Regardless, most all of us agree Tyrod wouldn't do well were he still here, so I don't think people will say we should have kept him, even if he somehow excells in Cleveland.

 

Despite who you blame, Tyrod, the Bills and the Browns are better off from the trade.  TT is a Brown, time to move on.

pretty much all this......He wasnt and will not be successful here.....thats all its over time to move on........he will have receivers the bills wished they have had and an OC in Todd Gurley to boot.......the offence is built for success.....if he does good than good for him i say and if not well than all the backlash on him on these boards are confirmed.......I hope he does good but personally i really dont care too much about how another team does...only concerned about my Bills.......some people on here are going to spontaneously combust which will be funny to say the least......

[TigerJ]

2 hours ago, eball said:

Really?  Another Tyrod thread?  Mods, can we get a little bit of control here?  Is there possibly anything left that hasn't been said about Tyrod?

Patience, my man.  In three weeks there will start to be new stuff to talk about.  Until then there is almost nothing new to say about anything unless people get real creative.

Tyrod performing well in practice situations is fully expected.  So is his character, dedication to practice, and leadership.   It's game conditions where the lack of anticipation and the excessive caution puts the lid on the ability to move the ball effectively through the air.  Tyrod will be good for Cleveland.  They are going to win games this year, and that's a step in the right direction.  If Cleveland doesn't know it already, they will figure out soon enough that Tyrod's ceilling will limit how good the Browns can become.  Then they'll find out if Baker Mayfield has what it takes.

[Lfod]

I just have a gut feeling that the team had a reason to move on from Tyrod, and that reason is progression. Taylor is not a traditional type QB. That's what the team wanted and I think they tried to get Tyrod to be more traditional but it didn't click into place. 

 

Tyrod can manage a football game and can make plays himself. He can also win football games leading an offence. I just think after 3 seasons you don't have progression then you move on. 

 

Cleveland might have the talent and game plan to allow Tyrod success. I'm going to have to see Tyrod airing it out all season to believe it. I think he will be a check down run it type QB still. The sandlot guy. 

Edited July 6, 2018 by Lfod