Center controversy remember

[Lafromboise]

When wood broke his leg groy stepped in and didnt miss a beat. Hell he played great football. Maybe an upgrade

[Alphadawg7]

Seattle game was lost mostly on Groy filling in for Wood.  I’m less sold on Groy being a good full time starter.

[MAJBobby]

12 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Seattle game was lost mostly on Groy filling in for Wood.  I’m less sold on Groy being a good full time starter.

 

Evidently the coachin staff is as wel seeing he isnt getting reps with starters currently 

[Doc]

29 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Seattle game was lost mostly on Groy filling in for Wood.  I’m less sold on Groy being a good full time starter.

 

Groy was in for just (the final) 2 series against the Seahawks with the Bills down 25-31.  Not sure how anyone can pin the blame on him for the game. 

[cba fan]

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Groy was in for just (the final) 2 series against the Seahawks with the Bills down 25-31.  Not sure how anyone can pin the blame on him for the game. 

Exactly. 

 

He played well in games after Seattle.

[NewEra]

36 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Seattle game was lost mostly on Groy filling in for Wood.  I’m less sold on Groy being a good full time starter.

The Seattle game was 100% lost because of the refs.  

[LeGOATski]

Remember, remember, the 7th of November...

[3rdand12]

41 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Seattle game was lost mostly on Groy filling in for Wood.  I’m less sold on Groy being a good full time starter.

tell me more about that game.

 My memory only tell his time filling in for injuries was pretty decent.

 At one time i thought he should take Wood's job soon. But that is just my feeling of his play.

We should perhaps enlist  All- 22  study by some folks here ?

 : )

1 minute ago, LeGOATski said:

Remember, remember, the 7th of November...

was that the grim day ?
When Groy lost us the game ?

 I am not sure i noticed who to blame for lost games. Team game i try to think : )

10 minutes ago, NewEra said:

The Seattle game was 100% lost because of the refs.  

remind me please ?

[Peace Frog]

5 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

Remember, remember, the 7th of November...

 

[3rdand12]

3 minutes ago, Peace Frog said:

 

:  )

[That's No Moon]

33 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

remind me please ?

Cant. I decided to go to bed at a reasonable hour and not torture myself. Seems like a solid call still.

[BillsPride12]

Trust me Beane and McDermott are no where near finished putting together the offensive line...it might be rough this season but they will continue to bring in the right pieces and build up a strong o-line.  Trust The Process

[3rdand12]

11 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

Cant. I decided to go to bed at a reasonable hour and not torture myself. Seems like a solid call still.

Fair enough answer.

i still need more information to change my positive opinion about Groy.

 Homer thinking ? Likely.

 But I struggled to understand how Ducasse started over him Vlad's first year here. in OTAs. closed minds ?

1 minute ago, BillsPride12 said:

Trust me Beane and McDermott are no where near finished putting together the offensive line...it might be rough this season but they will continue to bring in the right pieces and build up a strong o-line.  Trust The Process

thing about that is

QB can get ruined with a pispoor line. you should NEVER start a rookie under this line, no matter who the final 5 are. six if you comparing them to a basketball team........bad humor

So they are going to take their lumps till next year ?

 They built the Defense before the offense.

 But they drafted the Franchise QB this year ?
 

 if they are fixing the O line next year? they are going via FA and spending the stackedcash available next year.

 

don't like it.

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Seattle game was lost mostly on Groy filling in for Wood.  I’m less sold on Groy being a good full time starter.

 

He did struggle coming off the bench in that game and was then pitted into a competition with Patrick Lewis to start the next week which he won and he played pretty well from there. I am reasonably confident we won't see a big drop off at center. But then I was never the biggest Eric Wood guy to be honest. 

[Rad Likes The Bills]

Bodine has been starting at center during OTA’s. Bengals fans HATED that guy. They said he was by far their worst olineman consistently getting pushed back into Dalton’s lap off the snap. If there is one area that I do see McBeane lacking in its in their offensive line judgment. 

 

[3rdand12]

5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He did struggle coming off the bench in that game and was then pitted into a competition with Patrick Lewis to start the next week which he won and he played pretty well from there. I am reasonably confident we won't see a big drop off at center. But then I was never the biggest Eric Wood guy to be honest. 

I am a bit pleased here. i considered that perhaps i had  The Rose colored memory glasses on again . Has happened before with me and Bills player evaluation !
I am keen on what this new line does after the snap this season. Especially Center.

 We have had Eric on the team for a long time.
 

 I mean no ill will toward him whatsoever. But he surely knew his limitation when bull rushed by the Fat Kids

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Seattle game was lost mostly on Groy filling in for Wood.  I’m less sold on Groy being a good full time starter.

 

Say more?  I don't remember this.

[3rdand12]

6 minutes ago, Rad Likes The Bills said:

Bodine has been starting at center during OTA’s. Bengals fans HATED that guy. They said he was by far their worst olineman consistently getting pushed back into Dalton’s lap off the snap. If there is one area that I do see McBeane lacking in its in their offensive line judgment. 

 

depends on the Offense they run.

Beane finds them McD and Daboll etc pick them.
but i share your worries.

 

Bodine is likely fine actually. and heck Groy is lining up as his back up. So no dropoff....

[billsfan89]

15 minutes ago, Rad Likes The Bills said:

Bodine has been starting at center during OTA’s. Bengals fans HATED that guy. They said he was by far their worst olineman consistently getting pushed back into Dalton’s lap off the snap. If there is one area that I do see McBeane lacking in its in their offensive line judgment. 

 

 

They did draft Dawkins in the 2nd round, hopefully, they hit on some of these smaller signing and on the guard they drafted in the 5th. I think if Bodine/Groy hold down the center position and Miller rebounds at RG the O-line has a chance to be decent, but one injury and some regression and it could be a long season. Keep Allen away from starting, I don't want a guy who has issues with footwork playing behind a **** O-line. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

11 minutes ago, Rad Likes The Bills said:

Bodine has been starting at center during OTA’s. Bengals fans HATED that guy. They said he was by far their worst olineman consistently getting pushed back into Dalton’s lap off the snap. If there is one area that I do see McBeane lacking in its in their offensive line judgment.

 

Interesting.

 

While not an all-pro, Boling was the center on the Bengals OL since being drafted in 2014.  In 2014 and 2015, the Bengals had a pretty good OL.  I didn't hear any Cleveland fans bitching about Boling and how awful he was.  And for some reason, Andy Dalton looks a lot better when his team is top-10 for sacks allowed instead of bottom 3rd.

 

In 2016 and 2017 the Bengals line took a step back.  In 2016, they lost their RT and replaced him with rookie Oqbuehi.  In 2017, they lost pro-bowl LT Andrew Whitworth for LA, rotation of 2016 RT Oqbuehi to LT, and lost of RG Kevin Zeitler to Cleveland, replacing him with 3rd year UDFA Trey Hopkins.

 

It's possible Bodine has fallen off.  It's also possible that it has to do with who he had next to him. 

 

So who we planning to put next to him.

 

[boyst]

Group got blew up and wasn't aware for his game in Seattle.  He seems intelligent and able to understand the scheme's etc

 

I think our biggest issue early will be the lack of leadership up front.  Glenn didn't help much, Miller is a leader but benched, groy has big leadership roles to fill. It's rough 

[Rad Likes The Bills]

 

8 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

They did draft Dawkins in the 2nd round, hopefully, they hit on some of these smaller signing and on the guard they drafted in the 5th. I think if Bodine/Groy hold down the center position and Miller rebounds at RG the O-line has a chance to be decent, but one injury and some regression and it could be a long season. Keep Allen away from starting, I don't want a guy who has issues with footwork playing behind a **** O-line. 

I will definitely give them credit for Dawkins no doubt, the kid is a stud and I think will be locked in at LT for years to come. It’s really the other 4 spots that are question marks for me. What’s the long term plan?

 

LG- Ducasse (blah ? should be depth not a 2 year starter on a contending team)

C - Bodine/Groy - (given that E.Wood was average to below average the past two years i’d say there is room for improvement but Idk if these guys are the answer )

RG- Miller - ( Solid first year, was able to mash & maul. Took big step back last year when emphasis more on footwork and working to next level in zone blocking scheme) biggest to potential to be the answer of the current oline to me. Big year for him

RT - Mills - average. Good run blocker below average pass blocker. Gets beat with speed, surprised he’s been the unquestioned starter for three years.

 

I was hoping for a little more clarity there but I know not every question can be answered in one offseason. Hopefully they let Allen sit and grow before they put him behind this makeshift group right now. Let’s build the offense ( Line, Skill positions) up next offseason with tons of cap room and take the NFL by storm in 2019!

[RocCityRoller]

Folks, I don't see how Bodine is not the starting Center. Since being drafted he has started all 64 games in his four years.

You don't sign a successful four year starter from day one to be depth, just like a 4 year day one starter does not sign a contract at the peak of their career to be a backup.

 

He was fine, and the Bengal offense was fine, and rather well balanced (run/pass). The problem the last year or two is that the Bengals lost two tackles an a pro-bowl level guard. Bengals also lost Marvin Jones and Mo Sanu, two WRs who were pretty good at getting separation.

 

Bodine will be the starting C. Groy is backup C.

 

I would like to see Groy and Teller get some time at LG.

 

[ColoradoBills]

17 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

Folks, I don't see how Bodine is not the starting Center. Since being drafted he has started all 64 games in his four years.

You don't sign a successful four year starter from day one to be depth, just like a 4 year day one starter does not sign a contract at the peak of their career to be a backup.

 

He was fine, and the Bengal offense was fine, and rather well balanced (run/pass). The problem the last year or two is that the Bengals lost two tackles an a pro-bowl level guard. Bengals also lost Marvin Jones and Mo Sanu, two WRs who were pretty good at getting separation.

 

Bodine will be the starting C. Groy is backup C.

 

I would like to see Groy and Teller get some time at LG.

 

 

What I don't understand if Bodine was serviceable why did the Bengals not resign him and spend a 1st Round Pick on his replacement.

I will wait to see him play in a game before I will judge but something is just a little weird about that.

[RocCityRoller]

8 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

What I don't understand if Bodine was serviceable why did the Bengals not resign him and spend a 1st Round Pick on his replacement.

I will wait to see him play in a game before I will judge but something is just a little weird about that.

 

Fair, but I will counter by asking you this:

If he was that bad why would they start him for every single game from day one and not replace him before four years?

 

Maybe the Bengals don't put a premium on resigning O-linemen?

Sounds ridiculous but they let a pro-bowl OT Whitworth and a very good OG Zietler go, both are fine O-linemen.

 

In fact the Bengals haven't seemed big on resigning a lot of thier own offensive players:

AJ McArron, Mo Sanu, Marvin Jones, Jeremy Hill etc.

 

Edited May 26, 2018 by RocCityRoller

[ColoradoBills]

3 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

 

Fair, but I will counter by asking you this:

If he was that bad why would they start him for every single game from day one and not replace him before four years?

 

Maybe the Bengals don't put a premium on resigning O-linemen?

Sounds ridiculous but the let OT Whitworth and OG Zietler go, both are fine O-linemen.

 

In fact the Bengals haven't seemed big on resigning a lot of thier own offensive players:

AJ McArron, Mo Sanu, Marvin Jones, Jeremy Hill etc.

 

 

I'm not sure.  That's why it seems strange.  I could come up with scenarios but it would only be speculation.

Maybe for the 1st couple they hoped he would mature/improve.  Then kept him until his rookie contract was over.

Could be they saw him as below average but not so bad to worry about it in lieu of other needs.

 

Guess we will all find out when the pads come on.

[Bongo]

I thought I read that Bodine and Groy were alternating with the ones and Bodine just happened to get the open press day?

[Doc]

Just now, Bongo said:

I thought I read that Bodine and Groy were alternating with the ones and Bodine just happened to get the open press day?

 

I certainly hope so. 

[Lafromboise]

I think groy was told by eric " hey im retiring soon you need to stwp up.

 

https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2018/5/25/17387470/2018-buffalo-bills-scouting-report-guard-ryan-groy-90-players-in-90-days

[billsfan89]

2 hours ago, Rad Likes The Bills said:

 

I will definitely give them credit for Dawkins no doubt, the kid is a stud and I think will be locked in at LT for years to come. It’s really the other 4 spots that are question marks for me. What’s the long term plan?

 

LG- Ducasse (blah ? should be depth not a 2 year starter on a contending team)

C - Bodine/Groy - (given that E.Wood was average to below average the past two years i’d say there is room for improvement but Idk if these guys are the answer )

RG- Miller - ( Solid first year, was able to mash & maul. Took big step back last year when emphasis more on footwork and working to next level in zone blocking scheme) biggest to potential to be the answer of the current oline to me. Big year for him

RT - Mills - average. Good run blocker below average pass blocker. Gets beat with speed, surprised he’s been the unquestioned starter for three years.

 

I was hoping for a little more clarity there but I know not every question can be answered in one offseason. Hopefully they let Allen sit and grow before they put him behind this makeshift group right now. Let’s build the offense ( Line, Skill positions) up next offseason with tons of cap room and take the NFL by storm in 2019!

6

 

Up until the draft and InCog's retirement, I wasn't too upset with the off-season moves regarding the O-line. Trading Glenn (Who I thought could have been an absolute stud at RT) was a bitter pill to swallow but they needed to gain the draft positioning and Glenn's large contract and injury issues are a huge concern. 

 

They added Bodine and Newhouse which added a good sum of affordable depth and competition. But then InCog who was counted on to anchor the LG spot retires and suddenly you go from needing some youth at guard to needing a starter badly. 

 

I think banking on Miller to rebound isn't a bad thing considering how good he was his first 2 seasons and the reason he regressed last year was due to scheme and not injury or performance based. Considering that you are planning on running a scheme he is a better fit for his skills that's not bad roster construction to count on him improving.

 

But with InCog creating a huge hole at LG and the mortgaging of draft capital for 2 trade ups created a situation where there were going to be holes on this roster and currently LG and RT are two big holes and you are counting on player improvement at RG. 

 

I am super concerned about the O-line but honestly, I am treating 2018 as a bonus season. The team has a plan at QB and a coach and GM that are trying to build a system and have a coherent plan. Ending the drought in 2017 has really made that 3-year plan McBeane are on a lot easier to buy into.

Edited May 26, 2018 by billsfan89

[RocCityRoller]

Well, I'll have to wait and see. PFF had Bodine as the #25 starting C, not great. Groy was rated as a Guard but unranked due to lack of playing time.

I think Adam Redmond may be in the mix too for one if the G-C-G positions.

 

I do think Groy is one of the top 5 or 6 OL Buffalo has, and should probably be a starter.

 

Bodine and Groy are both on 2yr $5 million dollar contracts (Groy yr 2, Bodine yr 1) and neither was drafted by the Bills. May the best man win.

[Green Lightning]

1 hour ago, RocCityRoller said:

Folks, I don't see how Bodine is not the starting Center. Since being drafted he has started all 64 games in his four years.

You don't sign a successful four year starter from day one to be depth, just like a 4 year day one starter does not sign a contract at the peak of their career to be a backup.

 

He was fine, and the Bengal offense was fine, and rather well balanced (run/pass). The problem the last year or two is that the Bengals lost two tackles an a pro-bowl level guard. Bengals also lost Marvin Jones and Mo Sanu, two WRs who were pretty good at getting separation.

 

Bodine will be the starting C. Groy is backup C.

 

I would like to see Groy and Teller get some time at LG.

 

My friends in Cincy say he was awful and got blown off the line consistently. They warned he'd be the weak link. I thought Groy played extremely well subbing for Wood. we'lll see. I am betting  Bodine will ride the pine once he's pushed around when preseason gets going.

[NewEra]

4 hours ago, 3rdand12 said:

tell me more about that game.

 My memory only tell his time filling in for injuries was pretty decent.

 At one time i thought he should take Wood's job soon. But that is just my feeling of his play.

We should perhaps enlist  All- 22  study by some folks here ?

 : )

was that the grim day ?
When Groy lost us the game ?

 I am not sure i noticed who to blame for lost games. Team game i try to think : )

remind me please ?

Carpenter getting a delay of game after the ref placed the ball down with 3 seconds left on the play clock.  He made the fg, but the flag was thrown after the play.  The clock should’ve been reset and 3 added to our total.  Which would’ve given us a game winning fg instead of having to go for a TD.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

5 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Evidently the coachin staff is as wel seeing he isnt getting reps with starters currently 

He seems to serve the roster better as #1 interior depth because he does that job well. He can play all 3 positions. 

[RocCityRoller]

11 minutes ago, Green Lightning said:

My friends in Cincy say he was awful and got blown off the line consistently. They warned he'd be the weak link. I thought Groy played extremely well subbing for Wood. we'lll see. I am betting  Bodine will ride the pine once he's pushed around when preseason gets going.

 

Fair enough. I don't see him as a guy that elevates the guys around him, but if the talent is there on the line he can hold his own. Most centers fit that bill. To that point he was on a line that lost Whitworth, Zeitler and a RT in a two year span if I am not mistaken. The whole line dropped in performance, Bengal fans could be singling out one of the two remaining starters as a scapegoat.

 

If he does struggle it is comforting to know Groy is there.

 

No one on this OL is a star, but I think there is more depth and at least replacement level quality on the roster than TBD makes out.

 

 

Edited May 26, 2018 by RocCityRoller

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, RocCityRoller said:

 

Fair, but I will counter by asking you this:

If he was that bad why would they start him for every single game from day one and not replace him before four years?

 

Maybe the Bengals don't put a premium on resigning O-linemen?

Sounds ridiculous but they let a pro-bowl OT Whitworth and a very good OG Zietler go, both are fine O-linemen.

 

In fact the Bengals haven't seemed big on resigning a lot of thier own offensive players:

AJ McArron, Mo Sanu, Marvin Jones, Jeremy Hill etc.

 

 

AJ McCarron they had no choice.  He wanted to at least be able to compete to start.

 

You have a very good point about Whitworth, Zietler and possibly Bodine.

 

In particular, I thought their line took a nosedive without Whitworth and Zeitler this year.

32 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

Well, I'll have to wait and see. PFF had Bodine as the #25 starting C, not great.

 

I really think PFF OL ratings should be taken with a large bucket of salt

[artmalibu]

Groy play well when called upon Bodine started 4 consecutive years.  Neither maybe all-pro but should play good enough to win. Depth at center will not be a problem.   It the guard position that should be the concern and especially the depth at guard.  

[Jamie Nails]

This year's offseason was all about get the defense to the next level. Next year is all about the O. 9 draft picks and a ton of cap space. I'm sure there will be big time investments on that side of the ball. Baby steps. 

[Aussie Joe]

2 hours ago, RocCityRoller said:

Folks, I don't see how Bodine is not the starting Center. Since being drafted he has started all 64 games in his four years.

You don't sign a successful four year starter from day one to be depth, just like a 4 year day one starter does not sign a contract at the peak of their career to be a backup.

 

He was fine, and the Bengal offense was fine, and rather well balanced (run/pass). The problem the last year or two is that the Bengals lost two tackles an a pro-bowl level guard. Bengals also lost Marvin Jones and Mo Sanu, two WRs who were pretty good at getting separation.

 

Bodine will be the starting C. Groy is backup C.

 

I would like to see Groy and Teller get some time at LG.

 

They are paying Bodine 2:5 Mil... that’s not starting Center money to me and much less than what Wood was getting,  but Groy is getting the same amount and one of them will get the job by default..

 

I am far from optimistic about Bodine personally and hope Groy gets the job.

 

 

 

 

[cba fan]

3 hours ago, Rad Likes The Bills said:

Bodine has been starting at center during OTA’s. Bengals fans HATED that guy. They said he was by far their worst olineman consistently getting pushed back into Dalton’s lap off the snap. If there is one area that I do see McBeane lacking in its in their offensive line judgment. 

 

I agree and would throw in on---

How about fullback management?

Edited May 26, 2018 by cba fan