Buffalo_Stampede Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 (edited) Your boss is your boss. Also you can still protest, but there are consequences. How much does the cause mean to the players? Edited May 23, 2018 by TheTruthHurts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, The Real Buffalo Joe said: The argument will be that they're trying to suppress their message. Good. I'd rather the NFL suppresses all messages, rather than picks and chooses which are worth supporting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 So players can choose to stay in the locker room during the anthem to avoid the NFL fining the team. Now every time a player isn't on the field standing at attention and raising his arm outward and upward ... oh, wait ... I mean holding his hand over his heart, the attention will be taken off them game and be placed on finding out why said player wasn't on the field. This is stupid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 7 minutes ago, Yeezus said: it isn't about that the NFL is the most controlling professional sports league in the world. there is no freedom. 32 teams all run the same exact way. you step out of line you don't belong. NBA has done a 100x better job at marketing towards the youth and a wider range audience. The NFL is a private organization who grants their employees complete freedom to conform to the rules of their jobs and make a fortune, or be unemployed. Your NBA narrative is an exact replication of every whiny media member who seem to think the world owes everyone something just for being alive. So, to your point, yes the NBA has done an amazing job of making a commercial out of who their players date and what their players wear off the court, but that's pandering to the TMZ generation, which if you could see past your own nose is not a "wider audience range" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Just now, Gugny said: So players can choose to stay in the locker room during the anthem to avoid the NFL fining the team. Now every time a player isn't on the field standing at attention and raising his arm outward and upward ... oh, wait ... I mean holding his hand over his heart, the attention will be taken off them game and be placed on finding out why said player wasn't on the field. This is stupid. Dame Lillard and those boys have been Nazi saluting this whole time? Mother!@#$er. I knew Kristaps Prozingis was bad for the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, The Real Buffalo Joe said: The argument will be that they're trying to suppress their message. That would be unfortunate imo...the players are being paid to do a job- it is not a place for political statements if their employer feels it is hurting business...the players can protest once they take their uniform off and exit the facility....I would be out of a job if I tried pulling what they are doing. Edited May 23, 2018 by JaCrispy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Yeezus said: it isn't about that the NFL is the most controlling professional sports league in the world. there is no freedom. 32 teams all run the same exact way. you step out of line you don't belong. NBA has done a 100x better job at marketing towards the youth and a wider range audience. Its not about the youth and basketball is only very popular in certain demographics It will never be more popular than football. I love basketball and haven’t been able to watch in years cus the league sucks Edited May 23, 2018 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Just now, BringBackOrton said: Good. I'd rather the NFL suppresses all messages, rather than picks and chooses which are worth supporting. Agreed. Don't get me wrong, a lot of the issues being protested are important issues that we as a society need to discuss. But football has always been my escape from anything political. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Can't wait to see media reactions. Their employer has conduct rules as well. ESPN employees for example can't do a lot of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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IDBillzFan Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 I can't speak for others, but the answer to the kneeling thing for me was my DVR. Fast forward past the need to broadcast that stuff and get to the reason I'm watching the game. Nice compromise by the NFL. More NFL and less TMZ, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 5 minutes ago, nucci said: we can bet on which players will stay in the locker room during the anthem Only the dumbest ones. The teams and agents are going to make sure they stand. For risk of their own career and money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 So will concession stands and bathrooms be shut so all the fans in the stands have to stand as well? I mean if the players must stand, shouldn't those in attendance as well instead of being in a line to purchase overpriced beer? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 11 minutes ago, Sweats said: Personally, I couldn’t care less if the players stood, sat, knelt, stop-drop and roll for the anthem. Just go out and play some ball, man......entertain me and take me away from my dreadful life for 3 hours every Sunday afternoon. Estates Chauffeurs Leather bound books Pocari-Sweat, don’t lie to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Really? Now they want to control HOW you stand? Haha...they should just ban the anthem from all sports then imo...problem solved. Edited May 23, 2018 by JaCrispy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Reed83HOF said: So will concession stands and bathrooms be shut so all the fans in the stands have to stand as well? I mean if the players must stand, shouldn't those in attendance as well instead of being in a line to purchase overpriced beer? Do those in attendance work for the NFL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: So will concession stands and bathrooms be shut so all the fans in the stands have to stand as well? I mean if the players must stand, shouldn't those in attendance as well instead of being in a line to purchase overpriced beer? When the league starts paying the fans to come, I imagine they will. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Reed83HOF said: So will concession stands and bathrooms be shut so all the fans in the stands have to stand as well? I mean if the players must stand, shouldn't those in attendance as well instead of being in a line to purchase overpriced beer? I’m pretty sure you stand when your in The concession line... I have never sat. and I don’t sit at the urinal trough either! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinitum Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Nice, they finally did something. About time! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloaf Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 I'm not losing any sleep over whether or not a player stands, but this makes sense from the league perspective. It's not that it had any impact on the game, it's that the storylines started becoming political and who was protesting and who wasn't. The country is divided on politics. There's a reason people don't discuss politics at work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Man Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Really? Surely linking arms is a sign of respect? Look at other sports....go watch any rugby international, the players are arm in arm when the anthem plays. It's a sign of unity and respect. It's the opposite of what he is saying This new rule is even less clear than the catch rule. Which is impressive Edited May 23, 2018 by Mountain Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xsoldier54 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 13 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I don't think those issues are losing the NFL fans either. I'm just saying it's dumb for someone to stop watching games over the anthem issue when those other issues didn't bother them. The NFL is fine. They face scandal after scandal but their revenue never stops increasing. Who says the other issues didn't bother anyone? And if you think people who love their country and don't like people disrespecting the flag and anthem are dumb, then fine, you are entitled to your opinion, just as they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Oh well. I'll vote with my wallet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 NFL owners look like clowns. Wouldn’t it have been sensible to tackle this issue BEFORE it got to be an issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 I really wish at least one of our professional sports leagues would address what I believe is the only pertinent question: WHY is there a need to play the national anthem before sporting events? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 7 minutes ago, LABillzFan said: I can't speak for others, but the answer to the kneeling thing for me was my DVR. Fast forward past the need to broadcast that stuff and get to the reason I'm watching the game. Nice compromise by the NFL. More NFL and less TMZ, please. Before the protests you'd actually watch the anthem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 1 minute ago, eball said: I really wish at least one of our professional sports leagues would address what I believe is the only pertinent question: WHY is there a need to play the national anthem before sporting events? It's a money thing for the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 19 minutes ago, dpberr said: The NFL is deluding itself that it's fan retention issues are so simply tied to this particular issue. That being said, the NFL is a private business and they can create policies as they see fit for their employees, however misguided those policies may be. Yeah. I have been watching less football (other than the Bills) but it has nothing to do with the anthem protests. First, I've cut the cord, and what little live TV I watch is through Sling. I would gladly pay money for additional streaming without the full DirecTV bundle, but they are stuck in that deal. Second, they've sent ads through the rough. Third, with all of the rule changes that keep benefiting offense and Madden-like scoring, combined with ridiculous salaries for QBs, the overall quality of play has been dropping. If I am paying for my content, you better have something more interesting than the stuff I can watch without more ads. The anthem protests have been the most interesting thing to happen to the league in years. 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Really? 1 minute ago, JaCrispy said: Now they want to control HOW you stand? Haha...they should just ban the anthem from all sports then imo...problem solved. This seems rife for loopholes and problems. I am ok with them just stopping the anthem, or doing it without any players on the field rather than this half assed compromise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 26 minutes ago, Yeezus said: what does forcing your players to stand for the national anthem have to do with "playing football" ? stop doing mental gymnastics to try and defend this. it's actually embarrassing There's no "mental gymnastics" that have to be done, unless you're a mental midget. They stand in every other major sport. They stand at the Olympics. The NBA forces players to stand as well. What's embarrassing are the idiots that think that players can use a business that they don't own to make it a platform for their political agendas. My employment agreement with my employer specifically prohibits it and now the NFL's does as well. Really quite simple. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 (edited) 21 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: Agreed. But I think there's genuine concern the protests will hurt their bottom line or their public perception or what have you. Even if it doesn't/wouldn't, if you believe the NFL is truly bulletproof, this decision doesn't really matter either. Mandating standing during the anthem won't affect them either. I 100% agree. I'm fine with this compromise, and most people who say they'll boycott the NFL won't actually do it. That goes for both sides of the debate. I remember a few years ago a bunch of people said they would stop going to Chick-Fil-A because of their beliefs about gay marriage or something stupid like that, and then their revenues actually INCREASED. Most people don't follow through with their boycotts if they like the product. It's all a bunch of BS. The only thing that will ever impact the NFL's bottom line is the quality of the games. Edited May 23, 2018 by HappyDays 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Luxy312 said: There's no "mental gymnastics" that have to be done, unless you're a mental midget. They stand in every other major sport. They stand at the Olympics. The NBA forces players to stand as well. What's embarrassing are the idiots that think that players can use a business that they don't own to make it a platform for their political agendas. My employment agreement with my employer specifically prohibits it and now the NFL's does as well. Really quite simple. Do they play the National Anthem at your place of employment and force you to stand before you begin your work day? Edited May 23, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 It was never a thing for me. I know as many ex-service people who thought the flag protects you right to protest as those who didn't. Bottom line is the owners own the team and make the rules. Might be kind of a sill rule but doesn't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: Do they play the national Anthem at your place of employment and force you to stand before you begin your work day? Nope. But if it was a condition of employment, I would do it or find another job. It's really not all that complicated to me. I am specifically prohibited with associating my company's name with ANYTHING political without their express approval. It is a condition of employment and the remedy for noncompliance is termination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Just now, Luxy312 said: Nope. But if it was a condition of employment, I would do it or find another job. It's really not all that complicated to me. I am specifically prohibited with associating my company's name with ANYTHING political without their express approval. It is a condition of employment and the remedy for noncompliance is termination. Playing the anthem and forcing the players to stand for it is political. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 42 minutes ago, Yeezus said: https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/23/sport/nfl-spring-league-meeting-national-anthem/index.html Wow. What a statement. and what a way to alienate all the younger generation fans. Glad they did this, as now I have an even better excuse not to watch this garbage league anymore except Bills games the NBA will surpass the NFL in about 10 years at this rate tbh, won't be surprised when it happens. That will literally never happen. The NFL completely dominates ratings. No other sport comes close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: Playing the anthem and forcing the players to stand for it is political. It's nationalistic, not political. What exactly is political about it in your opinion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Just now, Luxy312 said: It's nationalistic, not political. What exactly is political about it in your opinion? Any forced show of "Patriotism" is political IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 (edited) This is a league that fines anything. Why in the world would they allow players to kneel? It's called the No Fun League for a reason. They are extremely image conscious. Edited May 23, 2018 by TheTruthHurts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 41 minutes ago, Yeezus said: it isn't about that the NFL is the most controlling professional sports league in the world. there is no freedom. 32 teams all run the same exact way. you step out of line you don't belong. NBA has done a 100x better job at marketing towards the youth and a wider range audience. Don't watch and don't let the door hit you in the butt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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