xsoldier54 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, Gugny said: https://www.statista.com/statistics/193420/regular-season-attendance-in-the-nfl-since-2006/ I don't think that's a concern. Clearly it is or the owners would not take any action at all. Today they will. If you choose not to acknowledge that the league lost millions of fans last year, then fine, but the league recognizes it and are taking action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 8 minutes ago, xsoldier54 said: Fans tune out and don't buy tickets. If the trend continues, then there is no more NFL. Those are the consequences. Yeah it's not all the concussions or domestic violence that will kill the NFL. It's people being offended over a flag. Despite all evidence to the contrary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Just now, xsoldier54 said: Clearly it is or the owners would not take any action at all. Today they will. If you choose not to acknowledge that the league lost millions of fans last year, then fine, but the league recognizes it and are taking action. No. The league doesn't like negative press or drama. They made their money. They will always make their money. Image is, and has been, very important to the NFL. The anti-kneelers didn't even put a dimple, let alone a dent, in NFL revenue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 1 minute ago, xsoldier54 said: Clearly it is or the owners would not take any action at all. Today they will. If you choose not to acknowledge that the league lost millions of fans last year, then fine, but the league recognizes it and are taking action. This is true but to me it's mostly a PR thing. FOX just paid a record amount of money for Thursday Night Football. The league is still making billions of dollars....and most football fans fans who really enjoy the game don't care about this. I know I don't 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 1 minute ago, HappyDays said: Yeah it's not all the concussions or domestic violence that will kill the NFL. It's people being offended over a flag. Despite all evidence to the contrary. It's not gonna be this either. IDK if you heard, but this guy said the NFL isn't dying: 4 minutes ago, HappyDays said: For people who think the NFL is dying: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xsoldier54 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Yeah it's not all the concussions or domestic violence that will kill the NFL. It's people being offended over a flag. Despite all evidence to the contrary. The evidence is clear. The owners recognize they have a huge problem with these protests. Otherwise they would take no action at all. It's costing them money or they would not take the action they are taking today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeezus Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 (edited) https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/23/sport/nfl-spring-league-meeting-national-anthem/index.html Wow. What a statement. and what a way to alienate all the younger generation fans. Glad they did this, as now I have an even better excuse not to watch this garbage league anymore except Bills games the NBA will surpass the NFL in about 10 years at this rate tbh, won't be surprised when it happens. Edited May 23, 2018 by Yeezus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, nucci said: How about the fans in the stands who turn around and talk with others and drink during the anthem? I like the ones that yell at others to take their hats off. Yelling during the anthem isn’t disrespectful as well? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 1 minute ago, xsoldier54 said: The evidence is clear. What evidence would that be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xsoldier54 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, nucci said: This is true but to me it's mostly a PR thing. FOX just paid a record amount of money for Thursday Night Football. The league is still making billions of dollars....and most football fans fans who really enjoy the game don't care about this. I know I don't It's not just PR. If they didn't recognize that eventually this was going to be a huge problem, owners would do nothing. Today they chose to take action because they are greedy. It's all about the money as usual. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BringBackOrton Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Yeezus said: https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/23/sport/nfl-spring-league-meeting-national-anthem/index.html Wow. What a statement. and what a way to alienate all the younger generation fans. Glad they did this, as now I have an even better excuse not to watch this garbage league anymore except Bills games the NBA will surpass the NFL in about 10 years at this rate tbh, won't be surprised when it happens. NBA has required players stand for the anthem since David Stern. Troll job on 100 thousand million. Edited May 23, 2018 by BringBackOrton 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xsoldier54 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 1 minute ago, HappyDays said: What evidence would that be? The evidence is that owners essentially banned protests by their action today. If there was no problem, then they would take no action at all. 7 minutes ago, Gugny said: No. The league doesn't like negative press or drama. They made their money. They will always make their money. Image is, and has been, very important to the NFL. The anti-kneelers didn't even put a dimple, let alone a dent, in NFL revenue. Calling BS if this had zero effect on owners financially, then they would take zero action. Clearly they know this is hurting the bottom line. Yes the league made billions last year, but if owners felt it was no issue, then they would do absolutely nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Good for the NFL. They're protecting the brand. NFL games are not a forum for individual players to air their political opinions or present their personal axes to grind. When you come to the game, play football. If you have a personal cause, do it on your own time. 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Probably the only thing they could've done to make this go away. It will pass off in the next bunch of months and become a relatively non-issue. The NFL could not afford another season of protests. (Disclaimer non of this represents my political view in anyway just my .02 on the leagues rational) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeezus Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 1 minute ago, BringBackOrton said: NBA has required players stand for the anthem since David Stern. Troll job on 100 thousand million. it isn't about that the NFL is the most controlling professional sports league in the world. there is no freedom. 32 teams all run the same exact way. you step out of line you don't belong. NBA has done a 100x better job at marketing towards the youth and a wider range audience. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Luxy312 said: Good for the NFL. They're protecting the brand. NFL games are not a forum for individual players to air their political opinions or present their personal axes to grind. When you come to the game, play football. If you have a personal cause, do it on your own time. All kneeling while the anthem was played happened before the games began with zero impact on the competition. Edited May 23, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 I guess it could save time when announcing the starting players running out of the tunnel if they're in the locker room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 1 hour ago, LABillzFan said: Operational costs. I was gonna say russian uranium. But this works too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeezus Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Luxy312 said: Good for the NFL. They're protecting the brand. NFL games are not a forum for individual players to air their political opinions or present their personal axes to grind. When you come to the game, play football. If you have a personal cause, do it on your own time. what does forcing your players to stand for the national anthem have to do with "playing football" ? stop doing mental gymnastics to try and defend this. it's actually embarrassing Edited May 23, 2018 by Yeezus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, xsoldier54 said: The evidence is that owners essentially banned protests by their action today. If there was no problem, then they would take no action at all. They also changed how kickoffs are run. Do you think that's because they were worried the previous kickoff format was losing them millions of fans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Just now, Yeezus said: it isn't about that the NFL is the most controlling professional sports league in the world. there is no freedom. 32 teams all run the same exact way. you step out of line you don't belong. NBA has done a 100x better job at marketing towards the youth and a wider range audience. Really? Because you just said that "forcing players to stand for the anthem" will "alienate all the younger fans" and you. But the NBA forces their players to stand for the anthem and doesn't alienate their fans, so really this topic is nonsense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 The NFL is deluding itself that it's fan retention issues are so simply tied to this particular issue. That being said, the NFL is a private business and they can create policies as they see fit for their employees, however misguided those policies may be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Just now, Yeezus said: what does forcing your players to stand for the national anthem have to do with "playing football" ? The NFL is in the business of playing football and the anthem is played before every game. Players "taking a knee" turned people away last year. There's zero debate on that issue. People turning off the TV and not watching because a player wants to take some political position on TV is an economic issue. Now it's fixed. Players can be fined by their teams if they do kneel. Done. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xsoldier54 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Just now, HappyDays said: They also changed how kickoffs are run. Do you think that's because they were worried the previous kickoff format was losing them millions of fans? No and if you don't understand the difference between the two actions then you aren't worth having a discussion with. The kickoff rules are designed to enhance player safety and have nothing to do with the anthem protests. If you think the two are somehow connected, then have a nice day, I'm done with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clemfield2622 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 I can't imagine what it's like to be the type of person who cares about this 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeezus Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Just now, BringBackOrton said: Really? Because you just said that "forcing players to stand for the anthem" will "alienate all the younger fans" and you. But the NBA forces their players to stand for the anthem and doesn't alienate their fans, so really this topic is nonsense. can you take a step back and look at the bigger picture the NFL has essentially said the players kneeling has ZERO to do with the racial injustice in this country and more to do with the fact that they are being "unpatriotic" the league basically has said, we don't give a flying !@#$ about whats going on in this country, we just want you to shut up and play football" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, HappyDays said: They also changed how kickoffs are run. Do you think that's because they were worried the previous kickoff format was losing them millions of fans? 13 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Yeah it's not all the concussions or domestic violence that will kill the NFL. It's people being offended over a flag. Despite all evidence to the contrary. Hey dude, are you planning on not contradicting yourself every 5 seconds in this thread, or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Personally, I couldn’t care less if the players stood, sat, knelt, stop-drop and roll for the anthem. Just go out and play some ball, man......entertain me and take me away from my dreadful life for 3 hours every Sunday afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Just now, BringBackOrton said: Hey dude, are you planning on not contradicting yourself every 5 seconds in this thread, or what? I don't think those issues are losing the NFL fans either. I'm just saying it's dumb for someone to stop watching games over the anthem issue when those other issues didn't bother them. The NFL is fine. They face scandal after scandal but their revenue never stops increasing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Just now, Yeezus said: can you take a step back and look at the bigger picture the NFL has essentially said the players kneeling has ZERO to do with the racial injustice in this country and more to do with the fact that they are being "unpatriotic" the league basically has said, we don't give a flying !@#$ about whats going on in this country, we just want you to shut up and play football" The NBA said the same. Shut and play basketball. Look! "However, on Friday, the NBA issued a memo to teams reminding them of the rule that requires players and coaches to stand for the national anthem. Adam Silver confirmed to reporters that the league expects players to stand for the national anthem, citing the rule. He did not answer whether players would be penalized if the rule was broken." https://www.sbnation.com/2017/9/25/16358070/national-anthem-protest-kneel-kneel-rule In the heat of the kneeling debate, Silver sent a memo saying, "don't forget, you aren't allowed to protest during the anthem, be quiet and play basketball." What's the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEBills Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 5 minutes ago, Luxy312 said: Good for the NFL. They're protecting the brand. NFL games are not a forum for individual players to air their political opinions or present their personal axes to grind. When you come to the game, play football. If you have a personal cause, do it on your own time. How bout we just get rid of the anthem before football games altogether? 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 30 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Will be interesting in light of this response. Not sure how the players can be upset when the new rule allows them to skip the anthem if they so choose...it will certainly be interesting where this goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 TV ratings will get a bump once the legalized gambling gets setup. Casual bets will be made and more guys will be sitting in front of the TV yelling at refs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TtownBillsFan Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: Hey dude, are you planning on not contradicting yourself every 5 seconds in this thread, or what? Normally HappyDays is a thoughtful poster. I'm not sure what's going on here with this issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I don't think those issues are losing the NFL fans either. I'm just saying it's dumb for someone to stop watching games over the anthem issue when those other issues didn't bother them. The NFL is fine. They face scandal after scandal but their revenue never stops increasing. Agreed. But I think there's genuine concern the protests will hurt their bottom line or their public perception or what have you. Even if it doesn't/wouldn't, if you believe the NFL is truly bulletproof, this decision doesn't really matter either. Mandating standing during the anthem won't affect them either. Edited May 23, 2018 by BringBackOrton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 1 minute ago, JaCrispy said: Not sure how the players can be upset when the new rule allows them to skip the anthem if they so choose...it will certainly be interesting where this goes. The argument will be that they're trying to suppress their message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 14 minutes ago, Yeezus said: https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/23/sport/nfl-spring-league-meeting-national-anthem/index.html Wow. What a statement. and what a way to alienate all the younger generation fans. Glad they did this, as now I have an even better excuse not to watch this garbage league anymore except Bills games the NBA will surpass the NFL in about 10 years at this rate tbh, won't be surprised when it happens. I think you are over exaggerating a bit... the rule allows the players to skip the anthem if the players don’t want to stand...for a person who was ok with the players kneeling so long as the league allowed it, this sounds pretty fair to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Oh boy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, Commonsense said: TV ratings will get a bump once the legalized gambling gets setup. Casual bets will be made and more guys will be sitting in front of the TV yelling at refs. we can bet on which players will stay in the locker room during the anthem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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