boyst Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 9 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Just asking about the good ole' USA. Would it matter to your argument? You don't look to discuss these items. Your mind is made up. Pretty much everyone's is. The problem here is people won't let this go because they think it's some Noble cause 5 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: I wonder how Chris's brother Woody feels about this: It's becoming a game of chicken and it's sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 NFL Owners are a bunch of cowhering Pussies. With this vote to limit peoples rights in public funded stadiums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 1 minute ago, phypon said: Who on this board/thread has disrespected the service of Senator McCain? If you really want to reach, maybe flat Earth theory is your game. Actually I think that's Ben Carson's game. Oh and I wasn't directing my comment as a criticism of anyone on this board. But I don't think it was off topic given the discussion of respect (or the lack thereof) for Vietnam vets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: NFL Owners are a bunch of cowhering Pussies. With this vote to limit peoples rights in public funded stadiums. Huh? They are getting a ton of backlash for doing something they believe in. Would they be braver if they did something different just so they didn't get yelled at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phypon Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Just now, MAJBobby said: NFL Owners are a bunch of cowhering Pussies. With this vote to limit peoples rights in public funded stadiums. Not really. It's democracy at it's finest. The majority have spoken. It's about time the majority gets it's say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, phypon said: Who on this board/thread has disrespected the service of Senator McCain? If you really want to reach, maybe flat Earth theory is your game. On this board? Don't know. Donald Trump super patriot(I say in sarcasm)has. Stated ,and I quote, John McCain is not a war hero. As a Viet era veteran I'm offended by Trump more than by any of those war protesters. Edited May 23, 2018 by Radar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Just now, BringBackOrton said: Huh? They are getting a ton of backlash for doing something they believe in. Would they be braver if they did something different just so they didn't get yelled at? Really??? Hmmmm sounds like they are Bending over for 45 and all about $$$$. So NFL Owners you just limited a Constitutional Right. You Pussies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 1 minute ago, phypon said: Not really. It's democracy at it's finest. The majority have spoken. It's about time the majority gets it's say. Be wary of what you wish for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Just now, MAJBobby said: Really??? Hmmmm sounds like they are Bending over for 45 and all about $$$$. So NFL Owners you just limited a Constitutional Right. You Pussies This is not true and constitutes a fundamental misunderstanding of, well, everything. Did David Stern bend over for 45 20 years ago, dopey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phypon Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Just now, Radar said: On this board? Don't know. Donald Trump super patriot(I say in sarcasm)has. Stated ,and I quote, John McCain is not a war hero. So given the context is it okay to say that Hillary is not a patriot and hates vets because she "wiped" her server concealing she sold US secrets to other countries? Should we out of nowhere just start talking about why the sky is blue to divert/deflect from the actual content at hand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Really??? Hmmmm sounds like they are Bending over for 45 and all about $$$$. So NFL Owners you just limited a Constitutional Right. You Pussies Employers limit constitutional rights all the time; that's totally legal. Why should the NFL be any different? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Just now, BringBackOrton said: This is not true and constitutes a fundamental misunderstanding of, well, everything. Did David Stern bend over for 45 20 years ago, dopey? So are they ok with a protest in a public funded stadium. This policy says nope. So yes they bent over and limited the right to protest. i hope a player goes out takes a knee, gets fined and watch the lawsuits 1 minute ago, thebandit27 said: Employers limit constitutional rights all the time; that's totally legal. Why should the NFL be any different? Who ownes the stadiums again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: So are they ok with a protest in a public funded stadium. This policy says nope. So yes they bent over and limited the right to protest. i hope a player goes out takes a knee, gets fined and watch the lawsuits Who ownes the stadiums again? The NBA has done this for 20 years. You act like the NFL is the only employer who has ever had public funding. Did you just wake up today? Still waiting on Kaep's lawsuit successes. LOL. Edited May 23, 2018 by BringBackOrton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phypon Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Just now, MAJBobby said: So are they ok with a protest in a public funded stadium. This policy says nope. So yes they bent over and limited the right to protest. i hope a player goes out takes a knee, gets fined and watch the lawsuits Except for the fact that the majority of the public that funded the stadium doesn't want players to take a knee. So there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 12 minutes ago, arcane said: A flag that requires compulsory standing does not deserve respect. Which is why the government isn't forcing this, and why western enlightenment values still rule the day. But the NFL can !@#$ right off, since it apparently doesn't care about those. There is a difference between government regulation and private employer mandates. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, phypon said: So given the context is it okay to say that Hillary is not a patriot and hates vets because she "wiped" her server concealing she sold US secrets to other countries? Should we out of nowhere just start talking about why the sky is blue to divert/deflect from the actual content at hand? And don't forget all the money she made running a child sex ring out of that pizzeria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Just now, starrymessenger said: And don't forget all the money she made running a child sex ring out of that pizzeria. W E W L A D E W L A D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 5 minutes ago, phypon said: Not really. It's democracy at it's finest. The majority have spoken. It's about time the majority gets it's say. Why is it that people assume they represent the majority? Possibly the majority don't agree but that doesn't mean the majority supports restricting freedom of speech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 1 minute ago, phypon said: Except for the fact that the majority of the public that funded the stadium doesn't want players to take a knee. So there Really. Sure ok. But anyway NFL are you closing consession stands during anthem, Merchandise shops during anthem, Latrines during Anthem. Be !@#$ing consistent anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phypon Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 1 minute ago, starrymessenger said: And don't forget all the money she made running a child sex ring out of that pizzeria. Yes, and Lewenski, Jones, and all of the people that "disappeared". Saints I tell ya, saints! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Who ownes the stadiums again? Some of the owners own stadiums, many of them are leased from local municipalities. None of the players work for the municipality; they all are employed by the owners, and the owners set the rules. That's the simple truth of working for someone else: there are rules that you may not agree with, but nevertheless must abide by in order to stay in their employ. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Really. Sure ok. But anyway NFL are you closing consession stands during anthem, Merchandise shops during anthem, Latrines during Anthem. Be !@#$ing consistent anyway Jed York did. Pay !@#$ing attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, phypon said: So given the context is it okay to say that Hillary is not a patriot and hates vets because she "wiped" her server concealing she sold US secrets to other countries? Should we out of nowhere just start talking about why the sky is blue to divert/deflect from the actual content at hand? Prove it,my friend, because I have proof on Mr. Trumps statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, Radar said: Why is it that people assume they represent the majority? Possibly the majority don't agree but that doesn't mean the majority supports restricting freedom of speech. They're 100% free to express their opinions; they simply aren't free from the consequences imposed upon them from their private employers for doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Just now, thebandit27 said: Some of the owners own stadiums, many of them are leased from local municipalities. None of the players work for the municipality; they all are employed by the owners, and the owners set the rules. That's the simple truth of working for someone else: there are rules that you may not agree with, but nevertheless must abide by in order to stay in their employ. Important distinction. Must abide or suffer the consequences. The consequences do not always mean lose your position, sometimes it's just disciplinary action at the discretion of the employer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phypon Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Radar said: Why is it that people assume they represent the majority? Possibly the majority don't agree but that doesn't mean the majority supports restricting freedom of speech. The NFL is a business. If the majority of their customers wanted players to kneel, this would be a different discussion. Since the NFL does not want the players to kneel, it's obvious that the majority is being represented. Make sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 1 minute ago, thebandit27 said: Some of the owners own stadiums, many of them are leased from local municipalities. None of the players work for the municipality; they all are employed by the owners, and the owners set the rules. That's the simple truth of working for someone else: there are rules that you may not agree with, but nevertheless must abide by in order to stay in their employ. Then what is the consession owners given to their Collectively Bargined Employees. Oooo yeah they are not. Got it 2 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: Jed York did. Pay !@#$ing attention. One out of how many??? Where buffalos closed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 NFL's new anthem policy is not a compromise at all By JONATHAN JONES May 23, 2018 ATLANTA — The NFL’s new policy regarding player protests during the national anthem is not a compromise whatsoever. It is a series of half measures dedicated to the attempt of satisfying all frustrated parties while completely ignoring the initial point of the peaceful protests. It is intended to hide its mostly black players who wish to speak up, through their actions, about inequality in criminal justice and police brutality against people of color. The policy treats those players as nuisances and attempts to hide them away in the locker room. It is meant to chill the speech of the players whose voices have grown louder than the players—and owners—imagined they could go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Really. Sure ok. But anyway NFL are you closing consession stands during anthem, Merchandise shops during anthem, Latrines during Anthem. Be !@#$ing consistent anyway This got me thinking. What if players, especially those high recognition, high merchandise selling, STAR players, decided that playing on the Sabbath conflicted with their religious beliefs. Could they be compelled to play because they are employed by a private business? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Things Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 It cracks me up every time some jackoff says something like, "if you don't love it, leave it." What a crock. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 1 minute ago, phypon said: The NFL is a business. If the majority of their customers wanted players to kneel, this would be a different discussion. Since the NFL does not want the players to kneel, it's obvious that the majority is being represented. Make sense? No, but that's fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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boyst Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 7 minutes ago, starrymessenger said: And don't forget all the money she made running a child sex ring out of that pizzeria. BRB, going to get pizza with extra cheese 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Then what is the consession owners given to their Collectively Bargined Employees. Oooo yeah they are not. Got it One out of how many??? Where buffalos closed? Write Kim and tell her to be consistent and respect the flag. I don't hate the move. I don't work for the Bills though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phypon Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Radar said: Prove it,my friend, because I have proof on Mr. Trumps statement. Well, you clearly believe in freedom of speech so why are you upset with anything that Trump has said? Oh, and from her own mouth, Hillary said that she deleted the emails. Really, guy?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Just now, MAJBobby said: Then what is the consession owners given to their Collectively Bargined Employees. Oooo yeah they are not. Got it The CBA determines what say the NFLPA has in rule changes. The competition committee changes rules every single offseason with no input from the NFLPA. Now I'll admit I'm not 100% intimately familiar with the terms of the CBA, so if you can show me where in the CBA the NFLPA is afforded the opportunity to give input on this particular rules change, I'm open to seeing your position on it. Until then, it kind of feels like you've pivoted your point from "restricting free speech" to "is this allowed under the CBA?" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, Bad Things said: It cracks me up every time some jackoff says something like, "if you don't love it, leave it." What a crock. Perhaps the weakest, least intelligent form of argument on every level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: The CBA determines what say the NFLPA has in rule changes. The competition committee changes rules every single offseason with no input from the NFLPA. Now I'll admit I'm not 100% intimately familiar with the terms of the CBA, so if you can show me where in the CBA the NFLPA is afforded the opportunity to give input on this particular rules change, I'm open to seeing your position on it. Until then, it kind of feels like you've pivoted your point from "restricting free speech" to "is this allowed under the CBA?" It is both. But hey thats fine. Tear uo the document i have fought and watched friends die defending. Limit those freedoms baby. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/05/23/nflpa-will-challenge-any-aspect-of-anthem-policy-inconsistent-with-cba/ Edited May 23, 2018 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phypon Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, Radar said: No, but that's fine. Prove it, my friend ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, K-9 said: This got me thinking. What if players, especially those high recognition, high merchandise selling, STAR players, decided that playing on the Sabbath conflicted with their religious beliefs. Could they be compelled to play because they are employed by a private business? That would be really interesting; I think there's precedent for this...didn't Sandy Koufax refuse to pitch in a pennant game back in the day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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