WyoNewt Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 The stats and graphic are from a tweet by PFF College back in March that was referenced in this article: http://thesportsquotient.com/nfl/2018/4/16/2018-nfl-draft-preview-qb-josh-allen I'm wondering if anyone has any additional information about the stats, such as what constitutes a "positively graded red zone attempt." Thanks. 3 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 Nice. Another vote of confidence for the big kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClemsonBills Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 This is also when it’s more challenging to read and diagnose coverages. Allen is going to surprise people 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 I think this is where arm strength is the most important. The coverage windows shrink so much, so getting the ball there quick is huge. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 That's good to know. I like knowing more positive things about him. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 Everything is so compressed down there. I think the difference for Allen is that his arm strength and his confidence in said arm allow him to zing it into tight windows at high velocity in ways that other QBs simply cannot. Let's hope this carries over to the pros. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 1 hour ago, WyoNewt said: I'm wondering if anyone has any additional information about the stats, such as what constitutes a "positively graded red zone attempt." Thanks. I believe it's just PFF's analysis on whether or not the right decision was made and if the play was then executed correctly (a good throw), regardless of the outcome on the receiving end. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB@Shooter Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 Wyoming never failed to score in the red zone all year except for one time against New Mexico. They had a 40 point lead and Allen was sitting. The backup got them in the red zone and Wyoming was trying to run the clock out without scoring. They ended up giving it up on downs. If not for that Wyoming would have been perfect in the red zone as far as scoring. Bohl is a classy coach and didn't run the score up even though New Mexico ran the score up on Wyoming the year before. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 So, it only took five or so months of QB draft talk to finally pick an area Allen came in 1st with. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 Also he is a run threat inside the redzone. It's one of the main reasons he reminded me of Cam Newton. 56 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: So, it only took five or so months of QB draft talk to finally pick an area Allen came in 1st with. This was well known by most people I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 HIs competition was garbage remember? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 This is a great stat to do well in... ...so, is it an outlier, or is that 56% the outlier? Definitely speaks to good decision making. We know he has the arm. Release time is already elite. Looks like Josh's pro career is going to hinge on his ability to get significantly better with his footwork -and make it second nature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 If he can be great on 3rd down and red zone offence he is going to win a lot of games as a rookie. Those were the two areas Big Ben excelled his rookie season. Red zone was probably a big reason Rosen fell in the draft. That is a red flag for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 Recievers better be ready for his throws being gunned into them like GB recievers had to be with Farve down in the redzone. Josh "the Cannon" Allen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB@Shooter Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, Doc Brown said: So, it only took five or so months of QB draft talk to finally pick an area Allen came in 1st with. If it is good news, bury it. If it is negative, exploit it. And there you have it. Haters gonna hate. Edited May 19, 2018 by BB@Shooter Political 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 Imagine that my top 3 QBs in the top 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinTheMagician Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 14 minutes ago, BB@Shooter said: I compare it to the media and Trump syndrome. If it is good news, bury it. If it is negative, exploit it. And there you have it. Haters gonna hate. Ugh. No politics on our beloved board. I believe Trump is an idiot. Others will disagree, then it degenerates! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 1 hour ago, billspro said: If he can be great on 3rd down and red zone offence he is going to win a lot of games as a rookie. Those were the two areas Big Ben excelled his rookie season. Red zone was probably a big reason Rosen fell in the draft. That is a red flag for sure. When I read this and coupled it with the info about Rosen being someone who likes to question things, I thought that split second in the red zone could be costly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, MarlinTheMagician said: Ugh. No politics on our beloved board. I believe Trump is an idiot. Others will disagree, then it degenerates! And yet ten pages of speculation regarding Sean McDermott's "faith, family, football" mantra was allowed before the conversation was shut down. I was going to warn BB@Shooter that someone was bound to object to such an analogy, but you have anticipated it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 6 hours ago, Doc Brown said: So, it only took five or so months of QB draft talk to finally pick an area Allen came in 1st with. He’s been 1st in arm strength since day one. But make things up. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 When you are near the goal line execution usually is more important than athletic ability. So since he had lesser athletes around him his ability to zip the ball into tight windows was key. This is likely a big reason why the Bills wanted him over Rosen 7 hours ago, Doc Brown said: So, it only took five or so months of QB draft talk to finally pick an area Allen came in 1st with. This is a troll comment but I will give you one more he was first in-improvement in team wins from the years before he arrived to when he was there. I will also bet you they drop back down next year. If the most important thing is improving your team he is 1st on that list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloFan68 Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 I agree, Allen will surprise all of people but I also think Mason Rudolph will surprise even more since he isn't being regarded nearly as high. Let's look back at this in 3 years. Let's Go Buffalo!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 This is why I can't get behind people making vague blanket statements about Allen's abilities based on his comp %. Folks have actually said that his comp % is proof he cant read a defense. The kid may not be too keen on it at this point in his career, but playing in a pro style offense and having heard how good Allen is on the grease board, I dont doubt that hell pick up the concepts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBytheBay Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 1 hour ago, NewEra said: He’s been 1st in arm strength since day one. But make things up. Only one to play under center. Played a pro system with pro reads and checks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 5 hours ago, Azucho98 said: HIs competition was garbage remember? lol so was his offensive line, So was his WR's.. So is this post its lazy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadstroke Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 (edited) Let's keep in mind a couple obvious things that even amplify the chart. Wyoming had a very poor OL and sub par receivers last year. Pretty hard to complete passes when you're running to escape the rush, and hard to see receivers with separation. Especially in the confined area near the End Zone. Doing it the way he did was truly noteworthy. Edited May 19, 2018 by Deadstroke Context correction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 9 hours ago, Doc Brown said: So, it only took five or so months of QB draft talk to finally pick an area Allen came in 1st with. Who has the tar and feathers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 2 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said: This is a troll comment but I will give you one more he was first in-improvement in team wins from the years before he arrived to when he was there. I will also bet you they drop back down next year. If the most important thing is improving your team he is 1st on that list. I didn't mean it to be. It just seems people are still fishing for college stats to justify the pick with threads like these. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 1 hour ago, PrimeTime101 said: so was his offensive line, So was his WR's.. So is this post its lazy Or, more likely ... sarcasm (hence the lol). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsherd Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 You need to score TDS to win in this league now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 10 hours ago, Doc Brown said: So, it only took five or so months of QB draft talk to finally pick an area Allen came in 1st with. Wonderlic Release time Ball Velocity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB@Shooter Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 5 hours ago, MarlinTheMagician said: Ugh. No politics on our beloved board. I believe Trump is an idiot. Others will disagree, then it degenerates! I went back right away and deleted the Trump thing, but not quick enough. I forgot no politics allowed. Sorry about that. Just trying to make a point about the media. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racketmaster Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 The windows and openings close up quick in the red zone. You won’t get a lot of receivers running wide open in this area of the field. Allen is used to his WRs getting minimal separation no matter where they are on the field so the red zone throws were no different for him at Wyoming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 Allen to Benjamin could be a lethal combination. 2 hours ago, billsherd said: You need to score TDS to win in this league now. The days of depending on FGs, safeties, and pooch kicks to win games are long gone. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WyoNewt Posted May 20, 2018 Author Share Posted May 20, 2018 (edited) On 5/19/2018 at 2:43 AM, TheTruthHurts said: Also he is a run threat inside the redzone. It's one of the main reasons he reminded me of Cam Newton. I had been thinking that the graphic was presenting passing stats, but your comment makes me think that running plays might be also be included. If so, the stat includes at least a rough measure of his combined passing and mobility, which seems tough to quantify. Edited May 20, 2018 by WyoNewt incomplete post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 (edited) 20 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said: so was his offensive line, So was his WR's.. So is this post its lazy Obviously you didn't listen to what some of the scouts were saying about him..... I was making fun of the scouts, not Josh Allen. I guess I need to draw you a picture. Edited May 20, 2018 by Azucho98 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, Azucho98 said: Obviously you didn't listen to what some of the scouts were saying about him..... I was making fun of the scouts, not Josh Allen. I guess I need to draw you a picture. a little more specific on what you mean when you talk might help. but now that I get your point gg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WyoNewt Posted May 20, 2018 Author Share Posted May 20, 2018 21 hours ago, Deadstroke said: Let's keep in mind a couple obvious things that even amplify the chart. Wyoming had a very poor OL and sub par receivers last year. Pretty hard to complete passes when you're running to escape the rush, and hard to see receivers with separation. Especially in the confined area near the End Zone. Doing it the way he did was truly noteworthy. I'm not sure that Wyoming's OLine helps this chart very much. In fact, the effect of the OLine might matter less in these stats. Since it limits the analysis to teams that you can get into the red zone against, being overmatched by an Iowa, Oregon, or Nebraska defense should be mostly removed. On the bright side, folks wanted to see evidence that he dominated lower level competition, and I think this stat provides some evidence of that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrod's friend Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 On 5/19/2018 at 10:30 AM, Dr. Who said: And yet ten pages of speculation regarding Sean McDermott's "faith, family, football" mantra was allowed before the conversation was shut down. I was going to warn BB@Shooter that someone was bound to object to such an analogy, but you have anticipated it. One of the few ten pages of legitimate, reasonable discourse I've seen and certainly since the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 5 hours ago, Tyrod's friend said: One of the few ten pages of legitimate, reasonable discourse I've seen and certainly since the draft. Well, imo, it diverted into discussions that had little or nothing to do with the Buffalo Bills. I am interested in philosophical theology, epistemology, metaphysics, and the like. I surmised such subjects far too tangential to merit a place in a putative sports' forum. Some folks appeared to use the topic as a pretext to mock religion or suggest that McDermott may be a fascist who preferred Allen to Rosen for prejudicial, non-football reasons. That doesn't seem legitimate or reasonable to me, though, of course, that does not characterize the entire thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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