MJS Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Well the flip side is QB's you liked that turned out bad. Plenty of those too. There's just no knowing for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Only a handful of QBs drafted over the last 10 years have turned out to be any good so it's a pretty meaningless question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 5 hours ago, auburnbillsbacker said: The draft experts claimed that Goff and Wentz were two of the worst QBs prospects every drafted with a top 2 pick Link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Just now, Lurker said: Link? I know that QBASE didn't like Wentz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Thought trading up for Wentz was a mistake...Philly quickly proved they were right haha. It's all about fit on the team IMO. I think any QB can be molded if they have the right attitude and work ethic and I think Allen has that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 5 hours ago, Buffalo86 said: DeShaun Watson Me too. He was much better last year than I would have thought. That being said it was just one year and it ended with a knee injury so the jury is still out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Peyton Gump, arguably the greatest regular season QB ever. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninSB Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 I was very unsure about Big Ben. Had no idea he would be this good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Does Flacco count? Eli Manning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 I didn't really like Bortles. He's doing pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 6 hours ago, cage said: Good original name for him! But, you studied film on Brady before he was drafted?? Nope. He’s just a pigdick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Jake Locker. Thought he’d be fantastic. He didn’t totally bust, but he wasn’t anything great - and the realities of the game did not jibe with his Christian values so he walked away early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 (edited) I didn't think Alex Smith would really be any good. It took a while but clearly he's a very solid quarterback. Having a different OC for his first seven seasons (as well as multiple different HC's) certainly hindered his development but once he was put into a system that played to his strengths he was finally able to reach his potential. Designing schemes and game plans based around what your players naturally do well has always been my answer on "how to succeed" when it comes to developing players. It's not rocket science. You identify what the guy does well and draw up plays that utilize those skills. In the meantime, you work with him on areas of weakness while still sharpening his skills that he already does well. You don't pull a Rex Ryan and come in, assess your team which is composed of players best suited for a straightforward/see ball-get ball 4-3 style of defense and say, "Alrighty fellas, we're gonna dig up my dad's old playbook from the mid-80's and run that sh*t! Sweet, right? I mean, it's been 30 some years since my old man came up with this stuff so obviously there's just NO WAY anyone has had the time to figure it out! And I know you're all used to simple calls and straightforward assignments but here's what's up now, each one of you can have up to 416 different assignments based on what the offense is showing you! To help you remember those assignments I've devised a foolproof system of checks so you'll know what to do when you hear the check. If you hear 'Barf Nugget' that means you drop into coverage. If you hear 'Sloppy Joe Slapped My Wife' then you'll know to rush the passer. If you hear 'Sloppy Joe Slapped My Wife With A Barf Nugget' then you know that you'll be simultaneously covering the tight end and the running back coming to the flats as well as rushing the passer and dropping into a zone. This is genius, I'm tellin' ya! And to make sure this system runs as perfectly as it can, I've acquired a secret weapon. This secret weapon is responsible for some historic defenses! It's mah brudder Rob!! Oh and by historic, I meant historically bad!" OK so I got a little carried away but you get it. Don't try to fit round pegs into square holes. Edited May 16, 2018 by blacklabel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 8 hours ago, TheTruthHurts said: Can you name a QB drafted in the 1st or 2nd round you disliked on film but turned out good? Derailed by injury (at least temporarily), but for me Bridgewater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Deshaun Watson - I read that QBs that throw under 55 mph can't succeed. When he threw 49 he came off my proverbial board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Derek Carr for me too. It wasn't that I disliked him. I had him graded pretty much where I had Rudolph this year right on that 1st / 2nd round borderline. If he could play at his 2016 level for most of his career I will have been wrong on him because that was top 10 QB play. His 2017 tape however.... Bortles is the one I have liked more than most that hasn't quite hit the level I thought. He is still a serviceable starter and played a Championship game last year, but in hindsight I had Bortles and Carr the wrong was round but was dead on with Teddy and Manziel that year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 10 hours ago, No Place To Hyde said: EJ. Best hard count in the game. You jest but the number of people that said he would be out of the league in 4 years are wrong so I would consider that a success. Granted he's not successful on the field but still getting a decent paycheck from the raiders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo86 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 10 hours ago, Augie said: That was the first name that came to my mind. I just saw a few games in college, and didn’t think much of him. Not that he’s GREAT, but he’s much better than I thought. I thought he was the classic great college/horrible pro QB. Truth be told, he looked pretty damn good when he was starting last year. And to think I was afraid the Bills were going to draft him. But you're right; too small of a sample size to know anything for sure. 1 hour ago, Rob's House said: Deshaun Watson - I read that QBs that throw under 55 mph can't succeed. When he threw 49 he came off my proverbial board. I already didn't want him, but that arm speed bit was the icing on the cake. It's nice to see some of these tried & true rules being proven wrong, what with us having a sub-57% QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 11 hours ago, MakeBuffaloGreatAgain said: Alex Smith and Cam Newton. I thought they were products of gimmicky offenses that used a 1 read system and easy throws. I didn’t think either would ever be competitive in the NFL. Alex Smith is a good example. I've been impressed by how he's developed. Still not sure he's what the Redskins think he is though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Still not sure he's what the Redskins think he is though. I think the Redskins got an older Kirk Cousins. If that is what they wanted, they got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 11 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said: I think the Redskins got an older Kirk Cousins. If that is what they wanted, they got it. I could be wrong. I think Kirk was far more developed at a younger point in his career. Basically, the first year he got significant playing time (5 starts, 3rd season) he was able to complete >60% of his passes, 285 ypg, too many picks but TD>INT (barely). You look at Alex Smith first 3 seasons, I would never, never have thought he would go on to be a viable NFL QB - I'm talking <50% completions, 1 TD 11 INTs etc etc. And I think Cousins >> Smith now. But I could be mistaken. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnbillsbacker Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 2 hours ago, Rob's House said: Deshaun Watson - I read that QBs that throw under 55 mph can't succeed. When he threw 49 he came off my proverbial board. You are the only one on here willing to admit disliking Watson. Everyone on here thought he would be a bust due to his lack of arm strength but now everyone claims they knew he would be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 48 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I could be wrong. I think Kirk was far more developed at a younger point in his career. Basically, the first year he got significant playing time (5 starts, 3rd season) he was able to complete >60% of his passes, 285 ypg, too many picks but TD>INT (barely). You look at Alex Smith first 3 seasons, I would never, never have thought he would go on to be a viable NFL QB - I'm talking <50% completions, 1 TD 11 INTs etc etc. And I think Cousins >> Smith now. But I could be mistaken. Good post, you very well could be right. Just going by the teams they are on, Cousins could certainly look better than Alex Smith; much better supporting cast in Minny. My initial point was that I believe both are slightly above average QBs who need a good supporting cast to win. Cousins will have that and look good. Smith will probably look about average as a Redskin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Michael Vick - I thought he was overrated because of his accuracy and questioned his durability if he was going to run the ball as often as he did in college. Eli Manning. I thought he was over-hyped because of his father and brother. Alex Smith - the gimmicky offense at Utah State combined with questions about his arm strength made me think he'd be a bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 14 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: Derek Carr comes to mind. I didn’t think that he’d be awful but didn’t think that he’d be good. He’s better than I expected. That's my example. Even after his first year, I still thought he was going to be a bum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Cousins, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 16 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: Derek Carr comes to mind. I didn’t think that he’d be awful but didn’t think that he’d be good. He’s better than I expected. That was one that sprung to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVilanch Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 I didn't think Cams game would translate to the NFL, while I still don't think it's the most effective style of play he makes it work and they have had sustained success with him behind center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dma0034 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Cam and Goff.... and I still don't think Goff is good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVilanch Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 11 minutes ago, dma0034 said: Cam and Goff.... and I still don't think Goff is good Goff threw for almost 4k yards with 28 tds and less than 10 ints in his second year. I would take that all day from a young developing QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dma0034 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 15 minutes ago, Jeetz1231 said: Goff threw for almost 4k yards with 28 tds and less than 10 ints in his second year. I would take that all day from a young developing QB. I think that is the system... not Goff. I believe a QB like Cousins would throw for 5k and 40 TDs. I just don't think Goff is all that impressive and McVay makes him look better than he actually is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVilanch Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 38 minutes ago, dma0034 said: Fair enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddo Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Tbh, a lot of the time I don't pay that much attention to the QBs coming out, if the Bills don't look like they are going to be drafting one. There's been the odd one I really didn't like, and been proven right about (Clausen), and I think I was very leery of Newton, due to his style of play, rather than his ability. Currently Bortles would be about he most likely candidate, as he seems to be developing decently, and I thought he was way 'over drafted'. I suppose, to an extent, Tannehill falls into a similar category to Bortles. I still think he was a 'reach', but he's done better than I expected, although that may be 'Phins bias coming into play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 12 hours ago, Rob's House said: Deshaun Watson - I read that QBs that throw under 55 mph can't succeed. When he threw 49 he came off my proverbial board. Agreed. I thought the same thing about him. The other issue I had with him was his size and style of play though. His injury last season might be a sign of things to come so I’ll leave the jury out on him. Still, he did better than I thought he would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 11 hours ago, auburnbillsbacker said: You are the only one on here willing to admit disliking Watson. Everyone on here thought he would be a bust due to his lack of arm strength but now everyone claims they knew he would be great. Not everyone thought he would be a bust. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 I can list you 50 QBs who I liked and they ended up sucking in the NFL. You know nothing Jon Snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankoElTanko Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Carr, Kap, Tannehill, Dalton in no particular order Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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