26CornerBlitz Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Viewer discretion is advised. If he starts, the Bills will finish the year with maybe 5 wins. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 Unleash Josh Allen! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 So this dude picked out every bad play and showcased it. One could do the same thing for Brady, Rodgers, Brees, etc.. I had better ways to waste time. 9 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 This is why he didnt get the big money contract everyone expected him to. I'm glad we have someone who has been in the league a few years, I just hope he doesnt have to play a ton. I wanted Rosen, but I've warmed up to Allen after seeing some more tape. I see what the Bills saw in him and hope he can put it all together. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 9 minutes ago, aceman_16 said: So this dude picked out every bad play and showcased it. One could do the same thing for Brady, Rodgers, Brees, etc.. I had better ways to waste time. Please do this then if you have better ways to waste time. AJ has been this way all the way back to Alabama. He has limited Arm strength. He has no pocket awareness. Is it just ironic that every needy QB team passed on McCarron when the money being handed out was "Stupid money"? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: Please do this then if you have better ways to waste time. AJ has been this way all the way back to Alabama. He has limited Arm strength. He has no pocket awareness. Is it just ironic that every needy QB team passed on McCarron when the money being handed out was "Stupid money"? we don't need him to be a stud we need him to manage the games. that's what tyrod did. and mccarron in college threw for 74 tds, 15 picks and 8700 yards in three years as a starter. those are great numbers. but again we need him to manage the games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: Please do this then if you have better ways to waste time. AJ has been this way all the way back to Alabama. He has limited Arm strength. He has no pocket awareness. Is it just ironic that every needy QB team passed on McCarron when the money being handed out was "Stupid money"? I could care less about AJ. I did not support nor advocate for him being a Bill. I do wonder about people that have specific negative agendas and go out of their way to prove them. I think that people harboring so much negativity need to go outside, get a hobby, get a hug... something to change their disposition from an angry Eeyore to something a little more rational and peaceful. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 1 minute ago, aristocrat said: we don't need him to be a stud we need him to manage the games. that's what tyrod did. and mccarron in college threw for 74 tds, 15 picks and 8700 yards in three years as a starter. those are great numbers. but again we need him to manage the games And people hated Tyrod for that. McCarron is Taylor without the running ability. Going in thinking McCarron is going to be anything short of woefully inconsistent is bad news, he is just not good. There is a reason "Despite what you say is "eye popping" numbers at Alabama he was graded out as a mid round QB. Tyrods "Game management" got us 3 points in a playoff loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 Here’s the question.... if Allen looks good enough in the preseason, do the Bills get rid of either Peterman or McCarron? IMO I think it never hurts to have 3 QB’s. Some view it as a waste of roster spot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 24 minutes ago, aceman_16 said: So this dude picked out every bad play and showcased it. One could do the same thing for Brady, Rodgers, Brees, etc.. I had better ways to waste time. i know right?...what b.s 36-4 and 2 titles....all time leader at alabama. 2-1 off the bench for dalton and lead a comeback against the steelers in the playoffs and had that game won. we haven't had a qb any where's near the same ballpark in 20 years and it always seems as though the tyrod diehards are the ones who want to throw any kind of dirt they can dig up on this guy...and call themselves fans. i call them attention seeking posers...pathetic. 4 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said: Here’s the question.... if Allen looks good enough in the preseason, do the Bills get rid of either Peterman or McCarron? IMO I think it never hurts to have 3 QB’s. Some view it as a waste of roster spot i view it as a great position to be in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, aceman_16 said: I could care less about AJ. I did not support nor advocate for him being a Bill. I do wonder about people that have specific negative agendas and go out of their way to prove them. I think that people harboring so much negativity need to go outside, get a hobby, get a hug... something to change their disposition from an angry Eeyore to something a little more rational and peaceful. Clearly, you haven't heard that the history of this franchise, the last 18 years in particular, dictates that we have to be critical, skeptical, negative and miserable - and when those little threads of optimism start rearing their ugly heads, we need to obliterate them like some non-stop whack-a-mole game Edited May 7, 2018 by billsfan1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 41 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: TBF, that's like a "low light" set of GIFs that guy put together. A couple more balanced views (game film starts at 40 sec on the first one) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsjJbu_O3n4 Cover1 Film Room (get into the game film about 10 min in) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsjJbu_O3n4 Last but not least, 2015 Highlights. I love it, but it could just be because I'd love anything featuring Dire Straights Sultans of Swing 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Hix Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 I just went through this thread on Twitter, not fun. Man I hope Allen can turn into a good QB, because AJ’s arm just isn’t good enough given his lack of pocket poise. But does McD throw Allen in there with such a bad WR corps and flimsy OL? Going to be an interesting season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 7 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: And people hated Tyrod for that. McCarron is Taylor without the running ability. Going in thinking McCarron is going to be anything short of woefully inconsistent is bad news, he is just not good. There is a reason "Despite what you say is "eye popping" numbers at Alabama he was graded out as a mid round QB. Tyrods "Game management" got us 3 points in a playoff loss. im not expecting him to be more than that. but i am quietly hoping he can be case keenum. id like for once to have the OC who coaches up a guy like keenum was and even foles you know? random qbs put up odd years here and there and lets hope he does. if he can keep our run game tops and get some passing we can win games until the heir comes in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said: i know right?...what b.s 36-4 and 2 titles....all time leader at alabama. 2-1 off the bench for dalton and lead a comeback against the steelers in the playoffs and had that game won. we haven't had a qb any where's near the same ballpark in 20 years and it always seems as though the tyrod diehards are the ones who want to throw any kind of dirt they can dig up on this guy...and call themselves fans. i call them attention seeking posers...pathetic. i view it as a great position to be in. Just now, billsfan1959 said: Clearly, you haven't heard that the history of this franchise, the last 18 years in particular dictates that we have to be critical, skeptical, negative and miserable - and when those little threads of optimism start rearing their ugly heads, we need to obliterate them like some non-stop whack-a-mole game Or i just think that AJ McCarron is a not so good NFL Staritng QB who will get benched very quickly. But hey if that makes me an attention seeking Poser then LOOK AT ME LOK AT ME LOOK AT ME. HERE I AM. LOOK AT ME!!!! I've heard/read people talking about McCaron getting the Bills a number one pick because teams will want to trade for him. because he is going to put up 4,000 yards. When he took over for Dalton the Bengals offense slowed to a crawl and McCaron despite his winning record was downright awful at times. McCarron is what he is, and that is a backup QB, who if he starts routinely your team is in trouble. So in your minds the Bills can do no wrong. Go it.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 36 minutes ago, aceman_16 said: I could care less about AJ. I did not support nor advocate for him being a Bill. I do wonder about people that have specific negative agendas and go out of their way to prove them. I think that people harboring so much negativity need to go outside, get a hobby, get a hug... something to change their disposition from an angry Eeyore to something a little more rational and peaceful. Great post, I keep posting, the quality of this board is taking a nose dive! Lots of anger out there! 22 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: Or i just think that AJ McCarron is a not so good NFL Staritng QB who will get benched very quickly. But hey if that makes me an attention seeking Poser then LOOK AT ME LOK AT ME LOOK AT ME. HERE I AM. LOOK AT ME!!!! I've heard/read people talking about McCaron getting the Bills a number one pick because teams will want to trade for him. because he is going to put up 4,000 yards. When he took over for Dalton the Bengals offense slowed to a crawl and McCaron despite his winning record was downright awful at times. McCarron is what he is, and that is a backup QB, who if he starts routinely your team is in trouble. So in your minds the Bills can do no wrong. Go it.? I rest my case! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, vorpma said: Great post, I keep posting, the quality of this board is taking a nose dive! Lots of anger out there! I rest my case! I'm genuinely curious how what anything I said anger? IS it because I don't just get in line and say "Yeap" Great move by the Bills? You could propose a counterpoint stating why you think AJ McCarron will be a good starting QB, but you know instead jsut call someone angry and say the board is going down hill. I mean you are right that it is, but that started when BBMB closed. Edited May 7, 2018 by CountDorkula Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 7, 2018 Author Share Posted May 7, 2018 27 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: TBF, that's like a "low light" set of GIFs that guy put together. A couple more balanced views (game film starts at 40 sec on the first one) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsjJbu_O3n4 Cover1 Film Room (get into the game film about 10 min in) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsjJbu_O3n4 Last but not least, 2015 Highlights. I love it, but it could just be because I'd love anything featuring Dire Straights Sultans of Swing Best to temper expectations. Signing AJ McCarron is probably not a good idea The majority of McCarron’s passes in the NFL so far came over his three starts at the end of the 2015 season. Over that stretch, the Bengals beat the 49ers and Ravens, each of whom finished 5-11, and lost in overtime to the eventual Super Bowl-champion Broncos. McCarron completed 54 of his 83 passes (65.1 percent) over that stretch with four touchdowns and no interceptions. That may look impressive and was good enough for a 100.1 passer rating as a starter, but the problem was that the Bengals’ offense slowed to a crawl. He averaged just 184 passing yards in those games, stalling an offense that averaged 376.9 yards in Dalton’s 13 starts. With McCarron at the helm for the final three games, Cincinnati averaged 276 yards and couldn’t top 300. That continued into the postseason, where the Bengals lost 18-16 to the Steelers and were outgained 369 yards to 279. Even during McCarron’s days at Alabama, he had a reputation as a game manager who leaned on a strong running game and an NFL-caliber cast around him. Hoping he can generate offense on his own and lead a team to points with his arm may be too much to ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 I don't care what any of these three guys did in the past. 2018 is a clean slate and the best quarterback will be the opening day starter regardless. I'm looking forward to watching the competition. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 (edited) 32 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: Or i just think that AJ McCarron is a not so good NFL Staritng QB who will get benched very quickly. But hey if that makes me an attention seeking Poser then LOOK AT ME LOK AT ME LOOK AT ME. HERE I AM. LOOK AT ME!!!! I've heard/read people talking about McCaron getting the Bills a number one pick because teams will want to trade for him. because he is going to put up 4,000 yards. When he took over for Dalton the Bengals offense slowed to a crawl and McCaron despite his winning record was downright awful at times. McCarron is what he is, and that is a backup QB, who if he starts routinely your team is in trouble. So in your minds the Bills can do no wrong. Go it.? Actually, the post wasn't directed at you, but rather, the posters who continually offer negative prognostications as if they are fact, are completely dismissive and condescending to anyone who chooses to look at things in a more positive light, and then rationalize their behavior by citing the history of this franchise as if it some license to behave in an uncivil way. It is a small segmet of posters; however, they can sometimes be the most vocal. My response was not about believing the Bills can do no wrong, because they clearly have over the fifty or so years I have followed them - often. It was about the declarations of certain posters, in response to virtually every decision this team makes that they do not agree with, that the decision will result in complete failure with no chance of success. It is not just a doubt or skepticism, such as you have about McCarron (which I share, by the way) or someone may have about Allen (which I share as well), or any other decision: It is a certainty of failure and there is no room for debate. Edited May 7, 2018 by billsfan1959 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShakAttack Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 Well if he’s going to be the starter he’s going to have to win the job first. Sounds like bills are having an open competition like 2015. So he will have to prove it if he’s the best we got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 32 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Best to temper expectations. Signing AJ McCarron is probably not a good idea "he averaged just 184 passing yards in those games, stalling an offense that averaged 376.9 yards in Dalton’s 13 starts. With McCarron at the helm for the final three games, Cincinnati averaged 276 yards and couldn’t top 300." Yep, exactly correct. And if one watches that highlight film, one can't help (at least I can't help) but be impressed by the abilities of the WR he's throwing to. There are some real circus catches complete with pointed-toe drags to stay inbounds, that wouldn't have to be with a bit better ball placement. My point was just that the twitter feed you linked in the OP is "over the top" negative. McCarron does have some solid QB abilities. That said, anyone expecting him to generate more passing offense than Taylor did behind our OL and to our (not proven circus-catch highlight-film) WR corps is, I think, bound for disappointment. But I could be wrong. A lot really depends upon how our OL comes together, and whether Daboll manages to pull a Shurmer-with-Keenum on these guys. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 1 hour ago, CountDorkula said: And people hated Tyrod for that. McCarron is Taylor without the running ability. Going in thinking McCarron is going to be anything short of woefully inconsistent is bad news, he is just not good. There is a reason "Despite what you say is "eye popping" numbers at Alabama he was graded out as a mid round QB. Tyrods "Game management" got us 3 points in a playoff loss. Running ability of course........but also without the exceptional ability to not turn the ball over............and turnover diff is and always has been the most accurate statistic wrt wins and losses. I hope AJ has somehow improved but the way I see the schedule laid out with 5 of the first 7 games on the road and a re-tooled OL and a bad and very young WR corps.........I think AJ is set up to fail........which would provide locker room justification for inserting Allen into the lineup. If AJ is as good as he thinks he is he will keep Allen on the bench but it won't be easy or fair necessarily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 2 hours ago, aceman_16 said: So this dude picked out every bad play and showcased it. One could do the same thing for Brady, Rodgers, Brees, etc.. I had better ways to waste time. Will you be showing those clips after those of these three guys in their SB victory parades or will you put them at the end of the video montages of their HOF speeches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 AJ McCarron is basically Matt Cassell. A perfectly acceptable starter on a 4-6 win team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 If Allen isn't starting by game 4 or so, we drafted the wrong guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 9 minutes ago, Domdab99 said: If Allen isn't starting by game 4 or so, we drafted the wrong guy. Well we drafted a project. So if your above is what is expected then we drafted the worng guy. Allen needs to learn the pro game not be forced into it. if he devleps in a year or 2 that is fantastic, but by game 4 is a huge stretch IMO. Maybe the last 4 games of 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 5 minutes ago, ddaryl said: Well we drafted a project. So if your above is what is expected then we drafted the worng guy. Allen needs to learn the pro game not be forced into it. if he devleps in a year or 2 that is fantastic, but by game 4 is a huge stretch IMO. Maybe the last 4 games of 2018 I Watson can do it and Allen can't, we drafted the wrong guy. You don't trade up for a "project," no matter what everyone else is saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 20 minutes ago, Domdab99 said: If Allen isn't starting by game 4 or so, we drafted the wrong guy. i'm not sure i agree with this at all. if aj plays well, and allen stays on the bench for a while, i don't think this speaks bad of the future for allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 3 hours ago, Teddy KGB said: Unleash Josh Allen! As a two read runner. It could be better then expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 55 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Will you be showing those clips after those of these three guys in their SB victory parades or will you put them at the end of the video montages of their HOF speeches? I wouldn't do it because it is disingenuous and a passive aggressive way to make a point - in case you MISSED my point. If someone wants to post a negative review... go for it. However, call it what it is. To say it is a "highlight" film is innane and immature. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 I would be shocked if AJM is not the starter come opening day..... I am expecting it....I want to see Josh Allen put in a position for success not thrown to the wolves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Domdab99 said: I Watson can do it and Allen can't, we drafted the wrong guy. You don't trade up for a "project," no matter what everyone else is saying. Watson was way ahead of the Allen coming out as well I felt the same way leading up to draft day. But the bottom line now is all I care about is that Allen develops and if that takes a year or 2 then I'm ok with it. We could of taken Rosen or skipped a 1st rd qb all together. That was never an option. So Allen it is and patience we must have. If Edited May 7, 2018 by ddaryl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 25 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: If Allen is as raw as everyone says he is and considering the state of the Bills receivers and offensive line then he should ride the bench for the year unless he proves in training camp/preseason he's the best QBof the group. Still if McCarron is the starter as everyone believes he will be and he blows I hope they don't panic and insert Allen into the line up when he's not ready. Take your medicine with McCarron until Allen is ready for the league. Still think they should've kept Tyrod. Would have a much better shot of winning this year while keeping Allen on the bench for at least the year. It makes too much sense. If he’s as raw as everyone says he is, he should not have been drafted at #7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 Just now, Domdab99 said: If he’s as raw as everyone says he is, he should not have been drafted at #7. If they think he can be the qb for years to come, yes they should have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 1 minute ago, Domdab99 said: If he’s as raw as everyone says he is, he should not have been drafted at #7. He was drafted on potential.....his ceiling is franchise player. You do draft a QB at 7 if they have that ability to be brought out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 3 hours ago, CountDorkula said: And people hated Tyrod for that. McCarron is Taylor without the running ability. Going in thinking McCarron is going to be anything short of woefully inconsistent is bad news, he is just not good. There is a reason "Despite what you say is "eye popping" numbers at Alabama he was graded out as a mid round QB. Tyrods "Game management" got us 3 points in a playoff loss. True, but McCarron is obviously a placeholder, whereas Taylor was (at least under Ryan) the presumptive long term option. Which made it a lot more frustrating and understandably so imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flmike Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: TBF, that's like a "low light" set of GIFs that guy put together. A couple more balanced views (game film starts at 40 sec on the first one) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsjJbu_O3n4 Cover1 Film Room (get into the game film about 10 min in) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsjJbu_O3n4 Last but not least, 2015 Highlights. I love it, but it could just be because I'd love anything featuring Dire Straights Sultans of Swing McCarron's arm looks just fine here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 3 hours ago, BuffaloRush said: Here’s the question.... if Allen looks good enough in the preseason, do the Bills get rid of either Peterman or McCarron? IMO I think it never hurts to have 3 QB’s. Some view it as a waste of roster spot McCarron is tradable when/if Allen proves himself a competent starter and a competent back up is found. Peterman factoring in to any of this would be an absolute miracle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts