RD1, Pick 7: Josh Allen QB - Wyoming

[Ol Dirty B]

7 hours ago, greeneblitz said:

This is dumb, your glossing over "Yes, this is a different FO", that's all that matters, this Front office and Coaching staff have earned the benefit of the doubt, they've made nothing but great moves that ended the drought in one season, did a complete turnover of the roster and fixed the salary cap.

 

Yes signing Tolbert, and bring in Ivory... great moves.

 

Trading up for Zay Jones. Starting Peterman.

 

Nothing but great moves. They've made someone good ones, but it's not nothing but great moves, and the turnover of this roster is no where near complete.

[PIZ]

I don't really like this guy, but if this is true, I like it.  Didn't see this posted.  Bills info in the replies.

 

 

 

[Carter]

3 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

I don't think this is true at all.

 

All the media guys are "pissed" because they've done nothing but read about these QBs and their prospects as future NFL QBs for the past 7 months. In doing all that reading and studying, they've learned extensively about how guys like Josh Allen never succeed in the NFL.

 

 

EJ....JP....Trent....

Edited May 1, 2018 by Carter

[BuffaloRush]

8 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Too bad this is football and not baseball.

 

White and, to a lesser extent, Simon are genuinely pissed at the Allen pick. And Beane knows it. But what pisses White of the most is this Bills regime can't be bullied by the media. So White can piss and moan all he likes and feed the trolls. The process moves on regardless.

 

Did you hear the interview below:

 

http://www.wgr550.com/media/audio-channel/04-30-bills-general-manager-brandon-beane-howard-and-jeremy

 

Beane:  How are you guys today?

Howard; Well you know...pretty good.  With the Sabres weekend, and you know, the draft and everything with you guys.  Pretty happy Monday here, so I'm excited.

Beane:  What a minute, you said "pretty good."  You mean not like you're really happy?  

Howard:  Brandon I'm a talk show host, I always find a way to...uh...no, I'm delighted.  I'm pumped.  I'm very happy actually.

 

Funny how tough Howard and Jeremy can talk about Beane...until they have a chance to speak with him directly.  Beane knew that too and called their bluff. 

Edited May 1, 2018 by BuffaloRush

[baskingridgebillsfan]

the way Schoop, , Howard and Jeremy were behaving I thought somebody would have to send them to bed without super.   full tantrum on Friday

[Carter]

1 minute ago, BuffaloRush said:

 

Did you hear the interview below:

 

http://www.wgr550.com/media/audio-channel/04-30-bills-general-manager-brandon-beane-howard-and-jeremy

 

Beane:  How are you guys today?

Howard; Well you know...pretty good.  With the Sabres weekend, and you know, the draft and everything with you guys.  Pretty happy Monday here, so I'm excited.

Beane:  What a minute, you said "pretty good."  You mean not like you're really happy?  

Howard:  Brandon I'm a talk show host, I always find a way to...uh...no, I'm delighted.  I'm pumped.  I'm very happy actually.

 

Funny how tough Howard and Jeremy can talk about Beane...until they have a chance to speak with him directly.  Beane knew that too and called their bluff.  Cowards.

What do you expect them to do?  This is how society works.

 

Did you want Howard or Jeremy to violently attack him and rage on him until he was pulp? That would not be good. 

[wppete]

This is our guy! Great pick. All the haters will eat their words.

 

[BuffaloRush]

How do you feel about this - the idea floated out on Twitter is that the vitriol from White and Schopp on the Bills passing on Rosen is derived from the fact that Rosen shares the same political beliefs that they have expressed publicly.   It makes sense - maybe that's part of it.  I just don't think they believe he'll be any good on the football field

1 minute ago, Carter said:

What do you expect them to do?  This is how society works.

 

Did you want Howard or Jeremy to violently attack him and rage on him until he was pulp? That would not be good. 

 

Um no....but rather being a complicit puppy dog during the interview saying "I'm pumped" they could have you know....acted like journalists.  Asked the tough questions?  Hold the decision makers accountable.   This happens in other markets and even right here at The Buffalo News.  Here's some light reading for you:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_journalism

[Putin]

1 minute ago, jrober38 said:

 

All of the guys I just listed were first round picks and all were colossal busts. 

 

Just because a guy is a 1st round pick doesn't mean he's going to be any good.

So does that mean Allen will be a colossal bust ? If ye please tell me and ( maybe you can ) save me and so many others hopeful here the heartache of inevitability !

[BillsPride12]

Although I was caught off guard and a little disappointed with the Allen pick originally, I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that Beane and McDermott are lightyears ahead of Schoop, Bulldog, Jeremy White and Howard Simon in football knowledge so I will continue to trust the process.  

[baskingridgebillsfan]

 I don't expect to be rude but they could have asked Beane " for those of us who favored Rosen tell us where we are wrong"  

they should own their opinion 

1 minute ago, BillsPride12 said:

Although I was caught off guard and a little disappointed with the Allen pick originally, I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that Beane and McDermott are lightyears ahead of Schoop, Bulldog, Jeremy White and Howard Simon in football knowledge so I will continue to trust the process.  

can't be ,  Schoop who never wants to punt is a football genius .  Jeremy and Schoop are both in love with stats.  

[Bakin]

Not sure we can ever know the truth. Only Beane and a few in tight know. 

 

What I do know is that Beane got us a potential franchise QB, a potential franchise LB, arguably 2 Top 10 big board players, and didnt have to give up a pick from the 2019 draft. 

 

Just outstanding. 

[baskingridgebillsfan]

welp if it is true then we shall see what happens .  

[Ol Dirty B]

17 minutes ago, PIZ said:

 

"This front office"?  The front office that passed over Watson and Mahomes isn't even a part of the team right now. McDermott, the coach, is the only decision maker that had anything to do with the 2017 draft.  

 

I also like to see Bills fans sticking up for their team.

 

 

 

Wow that must be a great land that McDermott lives in.

 

He gets credit for Tre, but had no responsibility in passing on Watson. 

 

What a gig

[baskingridgebillsfan]

20 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

 

Allen was in a pro style offense. Mahomes was air raid and EJ was a spread. They are not clones.

plus E.j always seemed to lack confidence and conviction .  Allen seems like he won't 

[BillsPride12]

2 minutes ago, baskingridgebillsfan said:

 I don't expect to be rude but they could have asked Beane " for those of us who favored Rosen tell us where we are wrong"  

they should own their opinion 

can't be ,  Schoop who never wants to punt is a football genius .  Jeremy and Schoop are both in love with stats.  

Ugh I get so sick of listening to those two idiots, if they were the football Guru's they think they are they would have positions in an NFL front office not working the phone lines at WGR 

[Sky Diver]

6 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

I have no idea how Brady scored. I honestly haven't read anything about his draft projection. 

 

What I have read is a number of articles about guys picked in the first round who looked and played like Allen. QBASE is a good one. Since 1997, 27 QBs with a negative rating have been picked in the first 100 picks. Not a single one of them has turned into a quality NFL player. The best of those 27 guys is Josh McCown, and notable disasters were Josh Freeman, JP Losman, Patrick Ramsay, Josh Freeman, etc. 

 

The Bills picked Allen because he has a rocket arm and looks like a QB. His game tape simply didn't show a 1st round calibre prospect. 

 

Wrong on Wentz. Wrong on Prescott.

 

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2016/qbase-2016

[BuffaloRush]

3 minutes ago, BillsPride12 said:

Although I was caught off guard and a little disappointed with the Allen pick originally, I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that Beane and McDermott are lightyears ahead of Schoop, Bulldog, Jeremy White and Howard Simon in football knowledge so I will continue to trust the process.  

 

This was Vic Carucci's point as well.  It's wasn't just Beane and McDermott there were several other teams and analysts that ranked him higher

[BillsFan2313]

15 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

All of the guys I just listed were first round picks and all were colossal busts. 

 

Just because a guy is a 1st round pick doesn't mean he's going to be any good.

 

 

Have you ever played a sport, or are you just about numbers? Honest question. 

[Boatdrinks]

50 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

I disagree.

 

Figuring out what QBs are going to be successful isn't too hard. 

Teams get into trouble when they ignore the game film and picks guys based off their measurables or potential. 

 

It's really freaking hard to find a QB, and teams should be a lot more selective than they are. The "projects" rarely succeed in the NFL. 

It IS hard to find a QB as you stated. The data say it's pretty hard to pick which ones are going to be successful as well. No one team does it consistently better than anyone else. There are just too many variables. Bottom line, you don't know anything that the pros don't know. Neither do I. Not many people can do the job of NFL QB well . The payoff is big when you find one. That means teams will probably take more chances on guys, not less. 

29 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Or as a list of guys to potential interview as GM if (when) Allen blows up as a colossal bust and Beane gets fired. 

I'm not convinced that Beane would automatically be shown the door if Allen doesn't pan out. He does a lot more than just pick the QB. It's a huge deal, to be sure. But Pegula is on record as saying the Bills organization has suffered from turnover at the top. I think more would have to go wrong than that. They didn't mortgage the future and Beane could take another guy in a couple years. 

[PromoTheRobot]

9 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said:

How do you feel about this - the idea floated out on Twitter is that the vitriol from White and Schopp on the Bills passing on Rosen is derived from the fact that Rosen shares the same political beliefs that they have expressed publicly.   It makes sense - maybe that's part of it.  I just don't think they believe he'll be any good on the football field

 

Um no....but rather being a complicit puppy dog during the interview saying "I'm pumped" they could have you know....acted like journalists.  Asked the tough questions?  Hold the decision makers accountable.   This happens in other markets and even right here at The Buffalo News.  Here's some light reading for you:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_journalism

 

A) I don't think it had anything to do with it. His concussion history has more to do with it.

 

B) An honest host would say "Honestly, Brandon, I probably wouldn't have made that pick. But it's your job to make those picks, not mine." See? Respectful, yet honest.

[BuffaloRush]

It makes me wonder whether Allen was truly #1...or if he was the adjusted #1, considering that Darnold would be off the board.  Seems like Darnold would be their guy

[JoPar_v2]

Yikes. Top overall? I’d really would love to know Beane’s honest rationale behind that evaluation, someday.

[Sky Diver]

3 minutes ago, BillsFan2313 said:

 

 

Have you ever played a sport, or are you just about numbers? Honest question. 

 

He thinks QBASE has all the answers. 

Edited May 1, 2018 by Sky Diver

[PromoTheRobot]

18 minutes ago, PIZ said:

I don't really like this guy, but if this is true, I like it.  Didn't see this posted.  Bills info in the replies.

 

 

 

 

Brandon said today on WGR that Allen was one of a few QBs he liked. Maybe Allen was #1. More likely he was #2 or #3. 

[Turk71]

35 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

I have no idea how Brady scored. I honestly haven't read anything about his draft projection. 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.boston.com/sports/new-england-patriots/2018/03/02/how-the-current-patriots-performed-at-the-nfl-combine/amp&ved=2ahUKEwj67Pv0v-PaAhVE6GMKHfZyB9oQqa4BMBJ6BAgDEAI&usg=AOvVaw21-6DBJddVG-3HJo0IgYxG&ampcf=1 

 He was a specimen, 24" vertical leap, 5.3s 40, a whopping 30td 17int. college career. I am sure if they had your analytics back then his greatness would have been evident. He was projected to go top 10 but he slid to the end of the 6th when they saw him with his shirt off.

Edited May 1, 2018 by Turk71

[Bakin]

2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Key word being potential.

 

If Allen flops the draft is a flop. If he develops into a good QB then the draft is a big success regardless of the other picks.

They are all potential franchise players. 

Until they aren’t. 

Andrew Luck was a surefire can’t miss prospect - how's that working out for the Colts?

 

no one has a damn clue about anything. 

 

Whats great though is that that we got these prospective monsters and gave up no draft capital in 2019. 

 

Huge. 

[PIZ]

8 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

Wow that must be a great land that McDermott lives in.

 

He gets credit for Tre, but had no responsibility in passing on Watson. 

 

What a gig

 

McDermott is a defensive coach.  The guy knows defense and knows Tre would be a fit for his defense.  There was no way he was going to trust a front office that wasn't even going to be there in a few days, to pick his QB.  He knew there would be a new GM and he knew the 2018 QB class had more potential than the 2017.  

 

 

[Captain Murica]

I like Jeremy at times, and others he is insufferable. Pre-draft he was preaching, "I just want a GM to get their guy." The GM drafted his guy, and since he disapproves he has changed his narrative. I usually only listen to the WGR app during the season, FA, and Draft other than that I really don't listen because I'm not a fan of the hosts. 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, stuvian said:

The only outlet I have heard trash the Allen pick is the Sporting news (near bottom)

 

http://www.sportingnews.com/ca/nfl/news/nfl-draft-2018-grades-winners-losers-best-worst-broncos-bills-seahawks/1dkbptsgr3h911bp55d3m1cecw

 

I think we should "pay a visit" to Vinnie Iyers 'twitter account when Allen lights it up.

 

are there other writers trashing the pick?

 

Bunch of other draft pundits have graded the Bills low for it.  We "overpaid" to trade up vs. the Cards - ignoring the fact that we traded up for the right to chose our guy, and may have been bidding with them.

[BuffaloRush]

Merged too many threads into this monster thread.  Won’t be able to find anything

[Hapless Bills Fan]

14 minutes ago, Bakin said:

They are all potential franchise players. 

Until they aren’t. 

Andrew Luck was a surefire can’t miss prospect - how's that working out for the Colts?

no one has a damn clue about anything. 

Whats great though is that that we got these prospective monsters and gave up no draft capital in 2019. 

Huge. 

 

Andrew Lucy is a surefire can't miss prospect who has played up to his billing.  The team has failed to protect him and put talent around him, and handled his injury abysmally.

Not a good example to support the "no one has a damn clue" notion

Good example of the "you need a franchise QB, but then you also need a team around him" thought.

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said:

Merged too many threads into this monster thread.  Won’t be able to find anything

 

Other people saying "merge all the threads into one"

The Mod Life: use your judgement, and bet the rent someone be P.O'd no matter whatcha do.

[BuffaloRush]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Andrew Lucy is a surefire can't miss prospect who has played up to his billing.  The team has failed to protect him and put talent around him, and handled his injury abysmally.

Not a good example to support the "no one has a damn clue" notion

Good example of the "you need a franchise QB, but then you also need a team around him" thought.

 

 

 

 

Other people saying "merge all the threads into one"

The Mod Life: use your judgement, and bet the rent someone be P.O'd no matter whatcha do.

 

The board was fine the way it was.  Too many message board divas whinging as usual.

 

mods usually do a really good job here

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Andrew Lucy is a surefire can't miss prospect who has played up to his billing.  The team has failed to protect him and put talent around him, and handled his injury abysmally.

Not a good example to support the "no one has a damn clue" notion

Good example of the "you need a franchise QB, but then you also need a team around him" thought.

 

 

 

 

Other people saying "merge all the threads into one"

The Mod Life: use your judgement, and bet the rent someone be P.O'd no matter whatcha do.

 

How can you possibly find anything when you have a 77 page thread?

[Putin]

38 minutes ago, PIZ said:

 

McDermott is a defensive coach.  The guy knows defense and knows Tre would be a fit for his defense.  There was no way he was going to trust a front office that wasn't even going to be there in a few days, to pick his QB.  He knew there would be a new GM and he knew the 2018 QB class had more potential than the 2017.  

 

 

This ^^^^^^

[Boatdrinks]

1 hour ago, jrober38 said:

 

Good call. 

 

I'll just give up on the Bills having watched this team for the past 30 years. 

 

Thanks for the advice. 

Why watch the movie when you know the ending.. and you hate it ? I'd never tell another fan to go watch another team, or question their fandom. I'm just always curious why anyone would be entertained by anything that they have no good outlook for actually being entertaining. I won't watch Patriots games because of this. I feel I already know the ending and I won't like it. It's not entertaining, so I don't do it. There has to be some hope for positive outcomes, otherwise why bother? It's a sort of masochism .

[Punching Bag]

1 hour ago, stuvian said:

You're right about rotoworld trashing us

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/79600/174/2018-afc-draft-grades

 

I think we need to keep a list of all these prognosticators and their twitter accounts when Allen blows up the scoreboard

 

It is not rotoworld. It is one writer for them.

[BullBuchanan]

46 minutes ago, Bakin said:

They are all potential franchise players. 

Until they aren’t. 

Andrew Luck was a surefire can’t miss prospect - how's that working out for the Colts?

 

no one has a damn clue about anything. 

 

Whats great though is that that we got these prospective monsters and gave up no draft capital in 2019. 

 

Huge. 

I mean, Luck is a top 10 QB and once all the current Hall of Famers retire he'll be Top 5. I'd say it worked out just fine. Guys get hurt.

[Punching Bag]

1 hour ago, BuffaloRush said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_journalism

 

Talk radio is not journalism; it is communications but not journalism.

48 minutes ago, Captain Murica said:

I like Jeremy at times, and others he is insufferable. Pre-draft he was preaching, "I just want a GM to get their guy." The GM drafted his guy, and since he disapproves he has changed his narrative. I usually only listen to the WGR app during the season, FA, and Draft other than that I really don't listen because I'm not a fan of the hosts. 

 

He was being not entirely honest.  He should have said "I just want a GM to get their guy that I agree with".

[mannc]

1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Kinda silly to compare Oklahoma to Univ of Wyoming.