What I Don't Understand About Fan Reaction to Allen

[Sky Diver]

1 minute ago, CajunBillsBacker said:

I just sit back and laugh at these clowns. My favorites are the ones who play the EJ Manuel/JP Losman card. That’s the trump card for those who don’t know what the hell they are talking about.

 

Rosen > Allen? Wow. People are used to being led by the media.

[MILFHUNTER#518]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

Yep.  I hope his Wunderlik transposes to him reading defenses, etc.  We'll see.

If it doesnt, why do they make them take it? If the 40 doesnt translate to how explosive they are off the line, why do they make them run it?

[JM57]

20 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

He also worked with Sam Darnold along with Allen.

 

Not only that he also helped Deshaun Watson last offseason, how did that work out? 

 

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/QB-guru-Deshaun-Watson-is-dynamic-leader-/f3b72e98-249f-43c9-8c7b-4913226c3fff

Yes, he also worked with Blake Bortles. Do you know what Darnold and Watson have in common? Good college production.

[Epstein's Mother]

My thoughts on the Allen pick:

 

When I look at what Brandon Beane has done during his tenure as GM of the Bills I see a man who has calculated his moves very carefully.  He does not strike me as the type of guy who is impulsive or prone to suggestion when making personnel decisions.

 

That being said the real takeaway for me is that while there are a good many Bills fans on this board who are having temper tantrums and stomping their feet and basically carrying on like a bunch of pre-schoolers who missed nap time. A good man with no malice in his heart did what he thought was best for the team he manages.

 

While some of you didn't like this pick you have to remember that Beane has staked his reputation and possibly even his job on this pick.  This is real life for him and for most of us it's an opportunity to drink beer and be entertained for 3 hours on a Sunday afternoon.

Edited April 27, 2018 by Epstein's Mother

[oldmanfan]

2 minutes ago, MILFHUNTER#518 said:

If it doesnt, why do they make them take it? If the 40 doesnt translate to how explosive they are off the line, why do they make them run it?

They make them do all these things because they think they translate to some meaning about how good a pro they'll be.  But every year there are guys who test great then can't play and vice versa

[Repulsif]

2 hours ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

There's a word for their typical moves, it's called "Bills"

 

Used in a sentence:

Drafting Josh Allen, a boom or bust project QB, over the most NFL ready QB Josh Rosen, was the most BILLSY move they could have made.

 

If I remember well, last year draft experts said Nathan Peterman was the most NFL ready too...

 

Still, I am still a bit stunned they didn't choose Rosen over Allen.

[ganesh]

I am with you on this Bill!.    

 

It is simply amazing how the fans are turning around without even giving this kid a chance.  Trent Edwards was an accurate WC QB, but he played scared.   I think people are latching on to Troy Aikman's pretty strong comments that he has not seen QBs with poor accuracy improve.  That may be true, but without giving the kid a chance to set his feet on the field and play, we as fans have no right to crucify him or this front office.  I am sure there were 32 GMs who looked at this kid and had him as a Top-5 player...

[Juror#8]

3 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

I have been on this wonderful board for many, many years. Now, I am reading these posts that are absolutely hating the Allen pick and it is hard to understand why. Almost every season, I was on this board blasting yet another idiotic first round pick by the Bills. For instance:  A #8 (in a stacked draft) on an undersized Donte Whitner? How about a 1st on a half dead Willis McGahee? In 2008 we had a very poor OL. It was awful. We drafted Leotis McKelvin, passing up both Ryan Clady and Branden Albert.

 

I could go on and on but my point is that fans were generally supportive of these clearly stupid picks. Now, we finally use resources on a big, strong quarterback and most people seem to hate the kid. Why? Because he said stupid things when he was a toddler? Because he went to a small school?

 

After what seemed like forever, we took a chance on solidifying the most important position on the field. We moved up to make sure we landed a qb with a cannon arm. What is SO freaking bad?

 

I for one am glad that we did something smart (for a change) in round 1, and welcome this young man to Buffalo.

 

GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Bill, I respect your fandom and your posts more than you know. I’ve been reading your thoughts for 8 years and they make this board a special place for us Bills fans. Along with Lori (where are you) and ten or so others, you’re one of the handful of ‘always valued posters’ in my book. 

 

Now that I’ve said all that, I think you may be trivializing some of the Josh Allen skepticism. I want the guy to be successful here. I was minimally critical of the pick (because I thought Rosen later would be better than Allen sooner while also conserving some draft capital) but I also said that I [obviously] hope [and think] Allen has the potential to have a fantastic career here. 

 

But his accuracy issues are unmistakable. His accuracy issues in a bad conference playing against subpar competition with receivers who didn’t drop a lot of balls (4.8% is what I read). That’s a lower percentage than Rosen, Jackson, and Rudolph. But they all had higher completion percentages. 

 

I read somewhere (and I think this is true), that evaluators overrate tall, strong arm, qbs and feel that they can fix any and everything else. 

 

Thats my concern. 

 

That he is Jamarcus Russell. 

 

Russell who had a similar skill set and similar completion accuracy issues (arguably a more questionable work ethic though). 

 

He has a big arm and I think that there is an enamorment there (rightfully so). But like some evaluator so eloquently said long ago, I don’t want to hope that Allen can complete enough 50 yard bombs so that I forget he misses 5 yard passes by 10 yards. 

 

Thats my concern in a nutshell. 

 

I hope that the scouting folks are right and my skepticism is misplaced. 

Edited April 27, 2018 by Juror#8

[Nihilarian]

Josh Allen's head coach at Wyoming was just on the NFL network talking about both Carson Wentz and Josh Allen. as Craig Bohl coached both. 

 

He said Allen is going to push the edge and do those things that he didn't know how many times he was thinking 'oh my" Allen is going to get sacked..and the next thing he sees is a touchdown.

 

He said one time during a scrimmage they called a play with a dump off to the fullback in the flat and the next thing he knows is Allen threw a backside post 65-yard pass on a rope for a TD. Afterward, the coach said what are ya doing? He said Josh, throw the ball to the fullback and Josh said no! Favre says TDs first!

Allen was joking around and Craig Bohl said I love him, love him, love him to death.

 

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

5 minutes ago, Mike in Syracuse said:

Accuracy issues in college are a tricky statistic.   The final measurable is the result of numerous variables.    Wrong reads, wrong routes etc.   Bottom line is, everything can go right and the WR can still drop the ball.   It's entirely possible that Allen isn't the most accurate passer in the draft.   It's also entirely possible that the rest of the players around him are downright awful.

I think basic accuracy is a matter of hand-eye coordination.  Pitching, archery, target shooting, billiards, horseshoes, quarterbacking.  I also think its a genetic trait and not something that can be learned.  Either you have it or you don't.

 

But as you say there are other variables.  Play selection, degree of difficultly, pressure/no pressure situations, quality of receivers, etc.  Things that can be managed or controlled to some degree by play selection, coaching, the surrounding cast of players.  In those situations maybe Allen is highly accurate or maybe he's not but we'll soon find out. 

[Canadian Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

I have been on this wonderful board for many, many years. Now, I am reading these posts that are absolutely hating the Allen pick and it is hard to understand why. Almost every season, I was on this board blasting yet another idiotic first round pick by the Bills. For instance:  A #8 (in a stacked draft) on an undersized Donte Whitner? How about a 1st on a half dead Willis McGahee? In 2008 we had a very poor OL. It was awful. We drafted Leotis McKelvin, passing up both Ryan Clady and Branden Albert.

 

I could go on and on but my point is that fans were generally supportive of these clearly stupid picks. Now, we finally use resources on a big, strong quarterback and most people seem to hate the kid. Why? Because he said stupid things when he was a toddler? Because he went to a small school?

 

After what seemed like forever, we took a chance on solidifying the most important position on the field. We moved up to make sure we landed a qb with a cannon arm. What is SO freaking bad?

 

I for one am glad that we did something smart (for a change) in round 1, and welcome this young man to Buffalo.

 

GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

 

 

Well said Bill!!!

 

Allen is our QB and I will support him and hope he does well! I wanted Rosen but I have to admit I love what this kid has to say and how he has handled himself throughout the draft process up to and including last night. 

 

I'm very excited about his skills and trust that Beane knows what he's doing!

[FLFan]

3 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

I have been on this wonderful board for many, many years. Now, I am reading these posts that are absolutely hating the Allen pick and it is hard to understand why. Almost every season, I was on this board blasting yet another idiotic first round pick by the Bills. For instance:  A #8 (in a stacked draft) on an undersized Donte Whitner? How about a 1st on a half dead Willis McGahee? In 2008 we had a very poor OL. It was awful. We drafted Leotis McKelvin, passing up both Ryan Clady and Branden Albert.

 

I could go on and on but my point is that fans were generally supportive of these clearly stupid picks. Now, we finally use resources on a big, strong quarterback and most people seem to hate the kid. Why? Because he said stupid things when he was a toddler? Because he went to a small school?

 

After what seemed like forever, we took a chance on solidifying the most important position on the field. We moved up to make sure we landed a qb with a cannon arm. What is SO freaking bad?

 

I for one am glad that we did something smart (for a change) in round 1, and welcome this young man to Buffalo.

 

GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are the Super Bowl of posters as usual.  I admit to liking other QBs more in this draft, but I also admit I am not an expert, and tend to think that the people who do this for a living know what they are doing, despite the hand wringing and hysteria of the causal fans around here who do not.  I am thrilled they made the move to ensure they got the QB they wanted.  We have been collectively whining for years about the timid approach at OBD to finding a franchise QB.  Well, that's over.  The cost is the cost.  What did people think they were accumulating these pieces for?   

 

Here is hoping they can coach this kid up and we will be watching a return to real competitiveness by the Bills in the years to come.

 

Go Bills.

[KCNC]

The way I look at it is several other teams passed on Rosen too.  There are sometimes reasons we as fans don't understand.  I never had a good feeling about Rosen for some reason.  I'm willing to wait and see on Allen.  I sure like his attitude and he appears to genuinely be elated to be in BLO.  Go Bills!

[Nihilarian]

10 minutes ago, Epstein's Mother said:

My thoughts on the Allen pick:

 

When I look at what Brandon Beane has done during his tenure as GM of the Bills I see a man who has calculated his moves very carefully.  He does not strike me as the type of guy who is impulsive or prone to suggestion when making personnel decisions.

 

That being said the real takeaway for me is that while there are a good many Bills fans on this board who are having temper tantrums and stomping their feet and basically carrying on like a bunch of pre-schoolers who missed nap time a good man with no malice in his heart did what he thought was best for the team he manages.

 

While some of you didn't like this pick you have to remember that Beane has staked his reputation and possibly even his job on this pick.  This is real life for him and for most of us it's an opportunity to drink beer and be entertained for 3 hours on a Sunday afternoon.

 

It really is ridiculous that so many fans are so upset that the team didn't trade up for their guy or pick their guy... 

 

When the reality finally sinks in I think most Bills fans will embrace the pick and think that instead of giving up the farm they got their future franchise QB AND a stud linebacker in the first round this year. I know I couldn't be happier or more proud of what this regime has done so far. 

[mjt328]

12 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said:

 

Favre succeeded despite a million INTs because he could sling it. 

 

 

Brett Favre was extremely accurate. 

Brett Favre could read a defense.

 

Yes, his arm strength was fantastic.  But it wasn't the only thing that made him great.  And it didn't give him a "higher ceiling" than other top QBs of his day.  To be honest, despite having an A+ arm, Favre was not as great as he could have been.  His decision-making was often questionable.  And it's the main reason that Favre only won a single Super Bowl. 

 

 

[Canadian Bills Fan]

5 minutes ago, KCNC said:

The way I look at it is several other teams passed on Rosen too.  There are sometimes reasons we as fans don't understand.  I never had a good feeling about Rosen for some reason.  I'm willing to wait and see on Allen.  I sure like his attitude and he appears to genuinely be elated to be in BLO.  Go Bills!

 

 

Plus, who is to say what another concussion would do to Rosen

[Mike in Syracuse]

6 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

I think basic accuracy is a matter of hand-eye coordination.  Pitching, archery, target shooting, billiards, horseshoes, quarterbacking.  I also think its a genetic trait and not something that can be learned.  Either you have it or you don't.

 

But as you say there are other variables.  Play selection, degree of difficultly, pressure/no pressure situations, quality of receivers, etc.  Things that can be managed or controlled to some degree by play selection, coaching, the surrounding cast of players.  In those situations maybe Allen is highly accurate or maybe he's not but we'll soon find out. 

I agree, I think a basic level of accuracy in intrinsic.     I believe that better coaching of fundamentals and tweaks to positioning can also make a world of difference.    From all reports, it looks like Allen has been putting in a ton of work since his season ended.

 

6 minutes ago, KCNC said:

The way I look at it is several other teams passed on Rosen too.  There are sometimes reasons we as fans don't understand.  I never had a good feeling about Rosen for some reason.  I'm willing to wait and see on Allen.  I sure like his attitude and he appears to genuinely be elated to be in BLO.  Go Bills!

I had a really bad feeling about drafting a QB with multiple concussions and a neck injury.

[Epstein's Mother]

3 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 

Brett Favre was extremely accurate. 

Brett Favre could read a defense.

 

 His decision-making was often questionable. 

 

 

Just ask Jen Sterger.

Edited April 27, 2018 by Epstein's Mother

[TigerJ]

I'm guessing that after having endured mediocrity from the Bills for so long there are fans who fear the possibility of that mediocrity continuing.  They're tired of it.  Allen is obviously a high risk pick because of his relative lack of experience, obvious flaws in his game, and (scariest to Bills fans) his fairly low completion percentage and turnovers).

I'm wary of the pick, but my philosophy is always to give the team the benefit of the doubt.  Allen has extremely high upside as well as a low floor.  He's now a Bill, so why not hope for the best.

[Nervous Guy]

5 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 

Brett Favre was extremely accurate. 

 

[FeelingOnYouboty]

Beane was adamant he wanted a QB who can play from the pocket and has accuracy and anticipation. Then he traded Tyrod Taylor who couldn't do any of those things. Then he traded up for Josh Allen who can't do any of these things.

 

I hope I'm dead wrong about him and he makes me eat my words. I would be the happiest Bills fan if he could do that but I can't see it.

[Nihilarian]

Good read. 

 

http://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2018/04/2018_nfl_draft_why_josh_allen_thinks_hes_a_perfect_fit_for_the_buffalo_bills.html

 

"I think out of all four or five quarterbacks in this draft, I'm the one that was suited for Buffalo," Allen said. "The type of atmosphere that you have to play in, the weather. The type of toughness it takes to play in a cold weather place. I was that guy. I'm fortunate enough that they came up to get me and I'm going to be forever grateful to be a Buffalo Bill. Hopefully I call this place home for the next 15-20 years." 

2 minutes ago, Nervous Guy said:

 

Favre 40 to 54% in college and he improved once in the NFL as did Matthew Stafford, Tyrod Taylor, and others. 

 

and among those others, Joe Montana was a 52.4 to 54.2 percent passer.

[Jerome007]

2 hours ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

Diaper needs changing first.

 

 

People seem pretty mad about this, others seem ecstatic, and I don't blame either side for feeling how they do.

He was the most polarizing QB in the draft.

Experts either thought he was going to be Jesus Christ Superstar, or the next Kyle Boller, and we're adamant about either side.

The only thing the experts agreed on was that there was no middle ground with him, very "boom or bust".

 

I do agree with you about the crying, people need to stop the personal attacks and calling people idiots for liking Allen, but they also need to stop calling people idiots for not liking him.

He has very real and tangible strengths, but also very huge flaws and a long way to go before he is ready to be effective.

Both sides have valid points, and nobody is an idiot for feeling either way about him.

 

I preferred Rosen, but I'm positive they didn't like his durability concerns, and didn't want Bradford2.0 with the fiberglass skeleton. Your franchise QB is useless if he can't stay on the field.

My biggest gripe was that we paid #12 and TWO second round picks for Allen, when the Cardinals paid #15 a 3rd and a 5th for Rosen. Feels like we got fleeced, but you know what? If he even turns into a top10 guy it was worth it, and if he becomes elite, it was a freaking steal.

 

Go Bills.

Fingers crossed Allen was the right pick.

Exactly! 

I'm sure we're all uneasy about this pick but IT IS A RISK WORTH TAKING. The top 4 QBs were anyway. Allen is even more a risk but his ceiling is higher. They better have a great QB coach for him, which they don't at the moment. But anyway, he is our QB now, so what's the point of dissing the guy??? What good does  he do him or the team us fans root for?

 

I don't get it, all those "it's so Billsy" comments and all that crap. If you feel the team is such a losing cause, root for another one and leave! There is a big difference between valid criticism and purely negative constant rantings. 

[maryland-bills-fan]

Allen was not my favored prospect because of uncertainty about his ability to process at the pro speed and some inconsistency in accuracy.  I thought a better route was to hope for one of the other 3 top QB's or keep picks and take somebody lower.    But a lot of football people and scouts liked Allen regardless and they could be right as well.  We have him now, so lets support him and get on with life.  We got a stud linebacker and what might be a very good QB in the first two rounds.  Let's hope we can back-fill the o-line with something and have a good year.  One good thing about Allen is that it will become obvious within two years if what I think are issues are real or not.  We can take another swing at a franchise QB in 2020.

[Rosen-not-Chosen]

30 minutes ago, ganesh said:

 

It is simply amazing how the fans are turning around without even giving this kid a chance

 

We want a franchise QB because the franchise has not had one for decades, this kid is a low percentage proposition...  Rosen was right there for the taking, just remember that 10 years from now!

[SouthNYfan]

3 minutes ago, Rosen-not-Chosen said:

 

We want a franchise QB because the franchise has not had one for decades, this kid is a low percentage proposition...  Rosen was right there for the taking, just remember that 10 years from now!

 

Your username indicates no bias at all.

[Rosen-not-Chosen]

1 minute ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

Your username indicates no bias at all.

 

Yeah of course, Beane screwed up.

[Lurker]

38 minutes ago, ganesh said:

we as fans have no right to crucify him or this front office.  

 

Wow!  Better check my brain at the gates of OBD, huh?   

 

Well, I guess since so many fans do that exact thing, what good is independent reasoning   Join the party.   Break out the flaming tables...

[Sky Diver]

1 hour ago, mjt328 said:

 

Brett Favre was extremely accurate. 

Brett Favre could read a defense.

 

Yes, his arm strength was fantastic.  But it wasn't the only thing that made him great.  And it didn't give him a "higher ceiling" than other top QBs of his day.  To be honest, despite having an A+ arm, Favre was not as great as he could have been.  His decision-making was often questionable.  And it's the main reason that Favre only won a single Super Bowl. 

 

 

 

Favre had a lower completion percentage in college that Allen. I think it was 52% and he was pretty great.

[Dr. K]

3 hours ago, Lurker said:

No offense, but Palmer is being paid by Allen as his 'consultant.'..

 

Read this article and tell me you're comfortable with the pick:   https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2018/4/25/17277580/draft-qb-thoughts-baker-mayfield-lamar-jackson-josh-allen

 

 

 

Wow. That article is devastating. I was very skeptical before, and granted this is one person's opinion (though apparently lot of others see the same problems), but this suggest the Bills are headed for a major disappointment.

 

From day one I have not been impressed with Beane's personnel decisions. This one could be the one that sets the Bills back years and defines his tenure as a GM--and shortens it. 

[Greywolf]

3 hours ago, Carmel Corn said:

 

Yeah right...FUN is not how it looks to me.  Maybe somebody should check to see if there are any statistics on how many people in Buffalo last night:

- Threw-up

- Suffered a heart attack

- Kicked their dog

- Destroyed their televisions

- Beat their wives

- Hung themselves

- Etc.

 

It's amazing how many people say "this org. has set us back X years", when they actually had some success in just one, yet the fan base immediately wants to stone them to death.  Unbelievable.

 

People on this board would not have been happy if Jesus himself was our draft pick. 

 

There is no FUN left in Buffalo!

 

If people expressing an opinion that's different from yours ruins the fun, then a fan board is going to be a tough place to be.

 

And, if you've been around Bills' fan boards going back the past couple decades, you know very well that the Bills have made so many ridiculous mistakes that it's quite reasonable to take issue with their draft decisions. Remember the JP Losman/Trent Edwards years? Multiple seasons lost to failure because the franchise wouldn't admit they'd gotten it completely wrong. There are plenty of other examples of a tradition of ineptitude in Buffalo. 

 

If fans don't drink the Kool Aid like you want them to, it's because we've got about a quarter century of bad FO decisions to look back on. That's not stoning the Bills, that's just acknowledging reality.

Questioning the FO decision to draft Allen is not the same as refusing to support him now that he is a Bill.

 

I think almost everyone criticising the Allen pick is focusing on the draft strategy and the other options available, not saying they hope Allen fails. I would bet that almost every poster who has criticized the selection still strongly hopes Allen will be a success.

[Mat68]

1 hour ago, Juror#8 said:

 

Bill, I respect your fandom and your posts more than you know. I’ve been reading your thoughts for 8 years and they make this board a special place for us Bills fans. Along with Lori (where are you) and ten or so others, you’re one of the handful of ‘always valued posters’ in my book. 

 

Now that I’ve said all that, I think you may be trivializing some of the Josh Allen skepticism. I want the guy to be successful here. I was minimally critical of the pick (because I thought Rosen later would be better than Allen sooner while also conserving some draft capital) but I also said that I [obviously] hope [and think] Allen has the potential to have a fantastic career here. 

 

But his accuracy issues are unmistakable. His accuracy issues in a bad conference playing against subpar competition with receivers who didn’t drop a lot of balls (4.8% is what I read). That’s a lower percentage than Rosen, Jackson, and Rudolph. But they all had higher completion percentages. 

 

I read somewhere (and I think this is true), that evaluators overrate tall, strong arm, qbs and feel that they can fix any and everything else. 

 

Thats my concern. 

 

That he is Jamarcus Russell. 

 

Russell who had a similar skill set and similar completion accuracy issues (arguably a more questionable work ethic though). 

 

He has a big arm and I think that there is an enamorment there (rightfully so). But like some evaluator so eloquently said long ago, I don’t want to hope that Allen can complete enough 50 yard bombs so that I forget he misses 5 yard passes by 10 yards. 

 

Thats my concern in a nutshell. 

 

I hope that the scouting folks are right and my skepticism is misplaced. 

If he develops a drug and weight problem he may.  For year Buffalo needs a Qb.  Buffalo trades up and gets to picks between 2 very good players at QB and they went with the guy with more potenial and better fit for the team lets cry because its not "my guy".  Time for the arm chair scouts to go back to their 9 to 5 jobs.  The reality is Buffalo has the best Qb they have had since Kelly.  He is he first Qb the franchise has ever selected inside the top 10.  Rumor has it Buffalo had to give up both second rounders to outbid Arizona.  Buffalo got the guy they want while keeping 22.  Last night was a great night time to enjoy the ride.  

Edited April 27, 2018 by Mat68

[BADOLBILZ]

4 hours ago, Magox said:

Bill, I think most of the hate comes from the fact that the stigma that follows him is one of an inaccurate passer, primarily because of his 56% passer rating.  I think in some fans minds shades of EJ Manuel come to mind.

 

To be honest with you alot of this is on-the-surface analysis because the fact is he played in a system that relied on the long ball (which he has a beautiful deep ball) that naturally will net a lower completion %, he had a bad line that didn't give a lot of time to throw the ball and awful receivers who couldn't separate.  

 

When you actually see the video of some of his games, you see that the label of being a woefully inaccurate passer simply aren't true.  Yes, he does have some accuracy issues but not nearly as pronounced as what his reputation would have you believe.

 

The kid makes unbelievable throws in right windows and on the run.  He's also am anticipation thrower, something we haven't had in a long while.

 

He's a hard worker and he is very bright.

 

I don't believe he will be a bust and i happen to think his floor is much higher than most.  

 

The comparisons to EJ are pretty comical.........EJ could only dream of having arm talent like Allen.

 

 

 

[IDBillzFan]

4 hours ago, T-Bomb said:

Loser fans deserve a loser franchise I guess...

 

Funny. I always thought loser fans were the one's who hate it when anyone remains optimistic about things over which they literally have no control.

 

Thanks for clarifying. 

 

Note to OP: I mentioned elsewhere that given no one can predict the success or failure of our picks, I'm at least grateful that we had a desperate need for a QB and LB and didn't trade up to grab a corner.

[The Frankish Reich]

3 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

The comparisons to EJ are pretty comical.........EJ could only dream of having arm talent like Allen.

 

 

 

Someone cue up that pre-draft video of EJ in that tire/accuracy drill.

[Dr. K]

3 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

The tweet haters are just irrational and unforgiving.

 

i had the same nooooooo reaction because accuracy problems are hardest, by a lot to fix. 

 

Billick said its what ended his career with Boller and his own arrogance that he can fix an inaccurate QB. 

 

Aikman last night said the same last night after the Allen pick. 

 

its not just about completion percentage, if you watch him play, closely, his ball placement is poor.

 

At the senior bowl practice, he missed a stationary 1x1 target 5 yards away, others hit it with ease. He missed it by a lot. 

 

He was head head to head with the most accurate pinpoint passer in a long time at 7.  Rosen was a far better choice to many, and it wasn’t close. 

 

We’ve seen the bills get guys that had it all except accuracy... EJ, JP, other teams too... Hackenberg, Skelton 

 

now, he’s the guy. They need to throw every resource at what I hope they KNOW is a correctable issue they have seen on film.

 

The new regime is now now either going to be smarter than everyone else or fired in 3 seasons or less. With yet another reboot to follow. 

 

i hope that the fact he never really focused on just football until college and never had top notch coaching means they can still change his grip or something simple like that to get him to some semblance of nfl accuracy. 

 

I agree the grousing sing needs to stop, and we need to hope these guys got it right. I am glad they minimized what we lost to get him and got a nice LB prospect too. Time will tell. He better Get to work

This is the thing that has just driven me crazy about McDermott and Beane from day one: their conviction that they are the smartest guys in the room. Their continual insistence that we should "trust the process" which is simply a mystical smokescreen for "trust our decisions no matter whether they make any sense."

 

I think Allen will be a huge bust and, as you say, that they will be out of here in three years. 

[Nihilarian]

24 minutes ago, Dr. K said:

Wow. That article is devastating. I was very skeptical before, and granted this is one person's opinion (though apparently lot of others see the same problems), but this suggest the Bills are headed for a major disappointment.

 

From day one I have not been impressed with Beane's personnel decisions. This one could be the one that sets the Bills back years and defines his tenure as a GM--and shortens it. 

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and that same guy who wrote that article also loved Johhny football and Geno Smith.

 

You can't watch tape of a kid playing in his first two years of college ball and think this will what he will do with the rest of his life.

 

Josh Allen was like 10th grader playing with a bunch of 8th graders around him as he had to carry the team most of the time. This was a scrawny 198lb kid who grew into that big frame in his time at Wyoming. He played in the snow, the cold, the wind at Wyoming and is a blue collar type guy not afraid of hard work. A perfect fit for Buffalo I think. 

 

Give the guy a chance before you and others condemn him. 

[Rosen-not-Chosen]

3 hours ago, Another Fan said:

They must have saw traits in him Beane and McDermott liked.

 

Then you have to seriously question their talent evaluation process, as well as question Pegula's leadership skills as the owner.  Pegula has done nothing but whiff on hiring of coaches & GM's since he bought the Buffalo teams.  This pick is likely an epic fail in terms of this franchise's history.

[Sky Diver]

37 minutes ago, Dr. K said:

Wow. That article is devastating. I was very skeptical before, and granted this is one person's opinion (though apparently lot of others see the same problems), but this suggest the Bills are headed for a major disappointment.

 

From day one I have not been impressed with Beane's personnel decisions. This one could be the one that sets the Bills back years and defines his tenure as a GM--and shortens it. 

 

Written by a college football fan. I'll trust the Bills' scouting department.

[Dr. K]

4 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

and that same guy who wrote that article also loved Johhny football and Geno Smith.

 

You can't watch tape of a kid playing in his first two years of college ball and think this will what he will do with the rest of his life.

 

Josh Allen was like 10th grader playing with a bunch of 8th graders around him as he had to carry the team most of the time. This was a scrawny 198lb kid who grew into that big frame in his time at Wyoming. He played in the snow, the cold, the wind at Wyoming and is a blue collar type guy not afraid of hard work. A perfect fit for Buffalo I think. 

 

Give the guy a chance before you and others condemn him. 

And he can't hit the broad side of a barn.

 

The one thing I would think we would have figured out over the last twenty seasons of QB play in Buffalo, given Losman, Fitz, EJ, Tyrod, etc., is that ACCURACY is vastly more important to successful QB play than arm strength or height or escapability. The Bills drafted the one QB of those touted for the first round who has the most trouble with accuracy. 

 

If he is successful, I will come here and say I was wrong.