Allbright: "It's Darnold" UPDATE: He admits he was wrong

[BillsFan17]

Just now, kdiggz said:

It's also worth noting that Allbright is based out of Denver and covers the Broncos primarily and it is his belief that they will be trading back with the Bills for 12 and 22 and targeting Ward at CB and Hernandez at G with those picks. Bills moving up for Allen or Rosen

Allbright has pushed Rosen at times but he has been a hard push for Allen per his source that informed him about Peterman.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

25 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

I believe it.

 

And then the Giants are so committed to Barkley, that they wouldn't take 2 more first round picks for #2??

 

C'mon. If Darnold is taken at 1, the Bills should be able to get Rosen at 2.

 

Barkley won’t get past 4 imo, that where they’d need to be to surrender 2. 

Edited April 24, 2018 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[Sherman]

4 minutes ago, Ifartalot said:

These "draftniks" gloat as if they're experts even when they don't get any picks right in the 1st round.

 

Only other "profession" that kind of ineptitude be tolerated is in civil service. 

Meteorologists- they are never right. 

[Augie]

15 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said:

If the Bills are able to trade up and either of Darnold/Rosen are available, and they pass, I will **** my pants in rage.

 

That sounds like a serious anger management issue. I would seek help....and maybe some Depends.   

[Bangarang]

23 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I don’t get it. If he knows or thinks he knows, why did he delete it? He usually likes to throw a parade when he spouts off info.

 

Could be because ESPN and NFL Network agreed not to tip the picks. Just guessing though

[Roundybout]

3 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said:

Allbright has pushed Rosen at times but he has been a hard push for Allen per his source that informed him about Peterman.

 

I can't believe this until it happens. It feels too forced. 

[DCOrange]

2 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

 

Could be because ESPN and NFL Network agreed not to tip the picks. Just guessing though

 

Allbright doesn't work for either of them and already said he will absolutely be tipping picks as he receives them.

[Augie]

4 minutes ago, Sherman said:

I was assuming it was because the NFL has asked all teams and media not to tip their picks. 

 

It’$ all about the rating$. 

[KDIGGZ]

1 minute ago, BillsFan17 said:

Allbright has pushed Rosen at times but he has been a hard push for Allen per his source that informed him about Peterman.

Everyone in Buffalo when the commissioner says "the Buffalo Bills select JOSH...."

 

[Augie]

Just now, DCOrange said:

 

Allbright doesn't work for either of them and already said he will absolutely be tipping picks as he receives them.

 

His sources may have some leverage, like “delete it or we never speak again”? 

Just now, kdiggz said:

Everyone in Buffalo when the commissioner says "the Buffalo Bills select JOSH...."

 

 

Oh, I’m getting a sick feeling now.....   

 

Rosen, please!!!!

[YoloinOhio]

Some of you saw me delete a post. If you caught that post, good for you.

 

No further comment on it.

[DCOrange]

1 minute ago, Augie said:

 

His sources may have some leverage, like “delete it or we never speak again”? 

 

Oh, I’m getting a sick feeling now.....   

 

Rosen, please!!!!

I'm guessing that's what happened here. He got excited and tweeted it out immediately and then his source was like "...but don't tell anyone" and then Allbright deleted it

[buffaloboyinATL]

23 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said:

If the Bills are able to trade up and either of Darnold/Rosen are available, and they pass, I will **** my pants in rage.

Better wear Depends on Thursday, cause they could do that for Allen.

[transplantbillsfan]

16 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

I just don't see it.   If the Giants want a QB they aren't moving back.   If they love some other guy, they aren't moving back, because back means behind the Browns and maybe behind the Broncos.   They'll worry that they'll lose their guy.

 

Only way the Giants are trading back is if they don't want a QB and they aren't in love with a non-QB.   Seems pretty unlikely.  

 

It's possible they could be in love with 2 or 3 non-QBs. Barkley, Chubb and Nelson are the 3 prospects who are being talked about as the best prospects in this draft.  All 3 are positions of need for the Giants.  They could easily realize they're going to get one of those 3 guys if they drop back to 5 or 6 and also get a bunch of other picks that are going to provide starters immediately to help the Giants and Eli Manning win now.

 

Eli Manning hasn't signaled he wants to retire and while I've never been really high on him as a QB myself, him and the Giants sucking last year really wasn't because age is physically degrading him.

 

He's 37, and 40 is the new 35 for QBs... at least that's the way I think Gettleman is viewing this QB decision. 

 

[Shaw66]

10 minutes ago, teef said:

apparently the only qb they want that high is darnold.  i think that's the basis for trades.  

That's a scenario that makes sense to me, if there's only one QB the Giants want.   But if you're in the market for a QB, as I assume the Giants are, trading back and getting only your third or fourth choice QB doesn't makes sense.  

 

I feel strongly that other than QB, there are no game changers in this or any draft.   I mean, there is a guy every once in a while who turns out to be a super stud, like JJ Watt, but nobody seems to be able to tell who those guys are in the draft.    They know if there's a game changer, he could be one of about 10 guys.    

 

I've come around to thinking that if you're not looking for a QB, trading out of the top spots makes sense.   I still think the Giants want a QB.

 

 

27 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said:

If the Bills are able to trade up and either of Darnold/Rosen are available, and they pass, I will **** my pants in rage.

Beast - you could sell live subscriptions for the live video feed of the Beast watching the draft.   You could be a star!

[KDIGGZ]

1. Darnold

2. Barkley

3. Mayfield

4. Chubb

5. Bills trade 12+22 for Josh... Allen 

6. Miami trade for Josh Rosen, win super bowl in 3 yrs

 

Prove me wrong Beane!

[Bangarang]

9 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

 

Allbright doesn't work for either of them and already said he will absolutely be tipping picks as he receives them.

 

Thought he worked for NFL Network. Disregard then.

[Foxx]

11 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

 

Allbright doesn't work for either of them and already said he will absolutely be tipping picks as he receives them.

why did he delete this one then?

[HappyDays]

This would be a good scenario for the Bill's. Giants will pass on a QB, Jets can only take one of Mayfield or Rosen (or, God willing, Allen). Leaves a trade up to 4 or 5.

[TigerJ]

28 minutes ago, teef said:

brady quinn was going over his possible scenarios today for the top 10.  if i remember correctly, (someone let me know if you heard it) where if darnold was one, the giants would be willing to trade from two.  i don't recall how, be he described a three team trade involving the colts, giants and bills.  i think the colts trade to 2, the giants take the colts pick at 6(?) and the bills trade up to 2 from the colts.  this way the giants can stay close to the top, and the colts get some extra picks.  who did he have the bills taking at 2?  allen.  yup.

 

edit:  in this scenario, he somehow had barkley falling to 6, and the giants getting him anyway.  again, i'm not sure if this is exactly as stated.

The buzz for a while was that Darnold is the only QB the Giants would take at #2.  If Darnold goes to the Browns, my understanding was the Giants would pick a player at a different position at #2.  The assumption was that player would be Barkley, but Chubb could not be completely ruled out.  That has been my operating assumption on how the top of the first round will play out.  The three way trade was talked about for a while too.  It was the Bills, Giants and Colts.  It is widely believed that the Giants don't want to drop too far from #2, that #12 is too low to go. In this scenario, the Giants would drop to #6, the Colts to #12, and the Bills would jump to #2.  That would be pretty hard to pull off, both complicated and expensive.  I just don't think it's happening.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

44 minutes ago, kdiggz said:

Insider Ben Albright who has been pretty spot on with his Browns insider info says it's going to be Darnold. He posted the following tweet then deleted it. He's either trolling or the Browns have made up their mind. You decide:

 

 

I'm curious what Albright has called for the Browns as an insider?

Not questioning, just want to know

[DCOrange]

3 minutes ago, Foxx said:

why did he delete this one then?

Presumably he got excited and tweeted it out and then his source said he was only telling him under the condition that he keep it to himself or something.

[JinxedBill1]

36 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

 

This would make sense for him to fall. 

 

1) Darnold (Browns)

2) Rosen (Bills)

3) Mayfield (Jets)

4) Chubb (Browns)

5) Nelson (Broncos) 

6) Barkley (Giants)

 

can't see Denver taking Barkley, and everyone is happy here. 

Broncos would most certainly take Barkley, they just released Anderson.  Nelson is certainly a consideration but I bet they take Barkley in this scenario

[Shaw66]

4 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

It's possible they could be in love with 2 or 3 non-QBs. Barkley, Chubb and Nelson are the 3 prospects who are being talked about as the best prospects in this draft.  All 3 are positions of need for the Giants.  They could easily realize they're going to get one of those 3 guys if they drop back to 5 or 6 and also get a bunch of other picks that are going to provide starters immediately to help the Giants and Eli Manning win now.

 

Eli Manning hasn't signaled he wants to retire and while I've never been really high on him as a QB myself, him and the Giants sucking last year really wasn't because age is physically degrading him.

 

He's 37, and 40 is the new 35 for QBs... at least that's the way I think Gettleman is viewing this QB decision. 

 

I think Gettleman would be nuts to plan of Eli being his QB for the next two years.   It's an opinion I've expressed elsewhere.   

 

The guy is hopelessly immobile.   The guy was the 35th rated passer in 2013, 15th in 2014, 13th in 2015, 22nd rated passer in 2016 and the 26th rated passer last season.   In other words, he's been bad to horrible in three of the last 5 years and only mediocre in the other two.   

 

I just don't get chasing a lot of talent on the assumption that a bunch of rookies and a QB who hasn't produced since forever are going to win a Super Bowl.

6 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

This would be a good scenario for the Bill's. Giants will pass on a QB, Jets can only take one of Mayfield or Rosen (or, God willing, Allen). Leaves a trade up to 4 or 5.

That's the most likely big-trade scenario.   I still the more likely trade is up to 6-9.

[teef]

13 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

That's a scenario that makes sense to me, if there's only one QB the Giants want.   But if you're in the market for a QB, as I assume the Giants are, trading back and getting only your third or fourth choice QB doesn't makes sense.  

 

I feel strongly that other than QB, there are no game changers in this or any draft.   I mean, there is a guy every once in a while who turns out to be a super stud, like JJ Watt, but nobody seems to be able to tell who those guys are in the draft.    They know if there's a game changer, he could be one of about 10 guys.    

 

I've come around to thinking that if you're not looking for a QB, trading out of the top spots makes sense.   I still think the Giants want a QB.

 

 

i think that whether or not darnold goes first, and the bolded with completely dictate the landscape of the top of the draft.  this year really is unusual.

[KDIGGZ]

9 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I'm curious what Albright has called for the Browns as an insider?

Not questioning, just want to know

most recently he broke the news that Mayfield was in play for pick 1.  then it was reported by espn and others the next day.  he's also reported that Josh Rosen is completely off their board as well as the Broncos board.  he was also first to shoot down any of the 3 team trade scenarios.  i haven't been following him for too long but he has a pretty good track record apparently.  very reliable.

 

Edited April 24, 2018 by kdiggz

[teef]

8 minutes ago, TigerJ said:

The buzz for a while was that Darnold is the only QB the Giants would take at #2.  If Darnold goes to the Browns, my understanding was the Giants would pick a player at a different position at #2.  The assumption was that player would be Barkley, but Chubb could not be completely ruled out.  That has been my operating assumption on how the top of the first round will play out.  The three way trade was talked about for a while too.  It was the Bills, Giants and Colts.  It is widely believed that the Giants don't want to drop too far from #2, that #12 is too low to go. In this scenario, the Giants would drop to #6, the Colts to #12, and the Bills would jump to #2.  That would be pretty hard to pull off, both complicated and expensive.  I just don't think it's happening.  

quinn actually said he be surprised if it happened.  he may have even mentioned that he didn't think there's been a three way trade like this before, (but i thought there has been).

[Warren Zevon]

3 minutes ago, kdiggz said:

most recently he broke the news that Mayfield was in play for pick 1.  then it was reported by espn and others the next day.  he's also reported that Josh Rosen is completely off their board as well as the Broncos board.  he was also first to shoot down any of the 3 team trade scenarios.  i haven't been following him for too long but he has a pretty good track record apparently.  very reliable.

 

 

So he's made a bunch of claims - but is there any substance to him having confirmed Browns player/coach acquisitions in the past?

[Foxx]

4 minutes ago, teef said:

quinn actually said he be surprised if it happened.  he may have even mentioned that he didn't think there's been a three way trade like this before, (but i thought there has been).

the only other three team trade i can remember was the one that brought us Cornelius Bennett and sent Eric Dickerson to the Colts for a crap load of picks to the Rams. it wasn't a draft day trade though.

Edited April 24, 2018 by Foxx

[teef]

Just now, Foxx said:

the only other three team trade i can remeber was the one that brought us Cornelius Bennett and sent Eric Dickerson to the Colts for a crap load of picks to the Rams. it wasn't a draft day trade though.

maybe that's what i'm thinking of.  i'm kinda surprised this hasn't happened before.  who knows...it's unlikely, but maybe this will be the first time.

[Reed83HOF]

18 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

This would be a good scenario for the Bill's. Giants will pass on a QB, Jets can only take one of Mayfield or Rosen (or, God willing, Allen). Leaves a trade up to 4 or 5.

Dude this would be ideal. We would still have plenty of picks this year as well....I still wish we went to 3, but as long as it is Rosen/Mayfield I can live with it...Allen is a tough one, but I could get behind it. If he ends up sucking, I would hope we are decisive enough to quickly move on from him...

[Victory Formation]

1 hour ago, Awwufelloff said:

Yep it’s Darnold and barkley at 2. Mayfield or Rosen at 3 

Allen at 3 imo, but I agree 100% with everything else.

[HappyDays]

2 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

Dude this would be ideal. We would still have plenty of picks this year as well....

 

That's the amazing part of this. I would have thought we would need to get 2 or 3 to grab our QB. But with the Giants passing on anyone but Darnold and the Browns holding pick 4 we're in pretty good shape. No team can outbid us for pick 5. Just for pick 12 and 22 alone we should have Rosen at 5, if we get in a bidding war we can throw in 65 and call it a day. Darnold is my #1 but I will be more than happy with Rosen and a slew of picks to build around him.

[transplantbillsfan]

20 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

I think Gettleman would be nuts to plan of Eli being his QB for the next two years.   It's an opinion I've expressed elsewhere.   

 

The guy is hopelessly immobile.   The guy was the 35th rated passer in 2013, 15th in 2014, 13th in 2015, 22nd rated passer in 2016 and the 26th rated passer last season.   In other words, he's been bad to horrible in three of the last 5 years and only mediocre in the other two.   

 

I just don't get chasing a lot of talent on the assumption that a bunch of rookies and a QB who hasn't produced since forever are going to win a Super Bowl.

 

I share your feelings about Eli Manning.  I've always thought he was vastly overrated... even with his 2 Super Bowl MVPs.

 

However, despite sharing that opinion with you, I think Gettleman has a different one and really has no intention to draft a QB.  I think he's a lot higher on Eli Manning than you or I are.  And scooping up plenty of draft picks would help him to provide weapons and protection for that hopelessly immobile QB who's already proven twice he can play at a high level on the biggest stage.

[1st&ten]

1 hour ago, Chuck Wagon said:

Darnold goes 1

 

Giants trade out of 2 to the Bills.

 

Bills trade #2 + more to the Browns for Darnold

 

Browns take Baker or Allen at 2.

 

I'd love to see this happen !!!

[twoandfourteen]

1 hour ago, Chuck Wagon said:

Darnold goes 1

 

Giants trade out of 2 to the Bills.

 

Bills trade #2 + more to the Browns for Darnold

 

Browns take Baker or Allen at 2.

 

I really like where you head is at. 

[Reed83HOF]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

That's the amazing part of this. I would have thought we would need to get 2 or 3 to grab our QB. But with the Giants passing on anyone but Darnold and the Browns holding pick 4 we're in pretty good shape. No team can outbid us for pick 5. Just for pick 12 and 22 alone we should have Rosen at 5, if we get in a bidding war we can throw in 65 and call it a day. Darnold is my #1 but I will be more than happy with Rosen and a slew of picks to build around him.

Darnold/Rosen are tied for 1 for me, followed by Mayfield. I'm trying to wrap my head around Allen....

 

Giving picks this year doesn't bother me, I just don't want to burn the 2019 #1 since I don't expect us to be terribly good and we could use the next Bruce Smith....Of course I would burn the pick if I had to in order to secure the QB we want, I would prefer not to though

 

Rosne & a bunch of picks to grab OL, RB, WR, LB this year and tons of cap room next year and a fully intact 2019 draft. Sign me up now!

[LeGOATski]

56 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Yes, it would be nice to get ahead of the Jets.   But unless someone can give the Giants #4, they aren't moving back.  

 

And maybe, just maybe, the Bills and Jets want different guys.   So the Browns could get their fav at 1, the Jets get their fav at 3 AND the Bills get their fav at 5.  Even that seems possible, because there sure doesn't seem to be a clear consensus about the QBs.  

The Bills would have to be pretty confident in their intel on the other teams, I guess.

 

Even if the Giants are in love with one prospect, there are certainly other prospects they love. I would think they'd be willing to part ways with the #2 for extra 1st and 2nd round picks.

[purple haze]

1 hour ago, Binghamton Beast said:

If the Bills are able to trade up and either of Darnold/Rosen are available, and they pass, I will **** my pants in rage.

Have laundry detergent ready then.  I don't think Rosen is their guy.

[ganesh]

1 hour ago, Bleedingreennc said:

The Colts trade down, then up, then down again? Lol

yeah...except they are playing with Bill's money (draft picks)!